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[vapourminer]

Why did I need 1000 merits to level up? I don't understand the level system any more.

activity needed varies between like the high 800s to (maybe even just over?) 1000. i believe theymos said its pretty much random. thats if memory serves correctly.

for example  i made legendary in the lowish 900s iirc.

maybe the criteria has changed since, dunno

and congrats VB!

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[AlcoHoDL]

Play this tonight/tomorrow, while we fight and win the battle for $62k...

Two Steps From Hell - Victory

[20kevin20]

people can do what they want but im with the science on this one. ive got comorbidities so ill let the deniers take the chance of long term organ system damage from catching covid.

I see it as a double-edged sword, but one of them is a choice while the other is just a possibility.

I am still waiting until the vaccine is studied more. I think it's fair to say that some of us are here, on BTCTalk, specifically because they don't like having to trust. I'm one of those guys.

At this point, I have a few friends who've received either their first dose or both. While some of them have had a few days of fever and other mild side effects, one thing I know for sure is that they all did need at least a few days free from their work due to how bad the side effects were. I have a few of them who've had quite bad ones though - they were never against the virus/vaccine, yet they said very loud and clear that "they thought they wouldn't be able to go through the side effects and it was just the first dose, so I shouldn't be surprised if they won't be able to go through the second anymore".

On the other hand, one of them was infected with the virus after taking the shot.

Something I don't know is what the longer term side effects are. Right now, we're comparing the chances of having bad adverse effects + the possibility of still being infected with the virus vs not taking the vaccine, which still has the possibility of being infected. But the difference is that the vaccine is a choice, and you're choosing to possibly have adverse effects through a substance that possibly protects you from the virus. Makes sense?

As you said, the virus is mutant. It means that even if I take it and everyone else in .. say Europe does, there will still be someone in India who might get another variant and it's going to still spread across the globe. The fear that, once vaxxed, you are going to receive a new variant from someone non-vaxxed does not make much sense in my opinion specifically due to the fact that this is quite uncontrollable and invisible.

At this point, the only thing I really wish is that the vaccine does not become mandatory because while you fear the long-term virus effects, I fear the long-term effects the vaccine plus the virus might have on my body. I don't trust those corps making vaccines, at least some of them. Especially J&J, which is known for their quite ugly lawsuit.

Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

[philipma1957]

people can do what they want but im with the science on this one. ive got comorbidities so ill let the deniers take the chance of long term organ system damage from catching covid.

I see it as a double-edged sword, but one of them is a choice while the other is just a possibility.

I am still waiting until the vaccine is studied more. I think it's fair to say that some of us are here, on BTCTalk, specifically because they don't like having to trust. I'm one of those guys.

At this point, I have a few friends who've received either their first dose or both. While some of them have had a few days of fever and other mild side effects, one thing I know for sure is that they all did need at least a few days free from their work due to how bad the side effects were. I have a few of them who've had quite bad ones though - they were never against the virus/vaccine, yet they said very loud and clear that "they thought they wouldn't be able to go through the side effects and it was just the first dose, so I shouldn't be surprised if they won't be able to go through the second anymore".

On the other hand, one of them was infected with the virus after taking the shot.

Something I don't know is what the longer term side effects are. Right now, we're comparing the chances of having bad adverse effects + the possibility of still being infected with the virus vs not taking the vaccine, which still has the possibility of being infected. But the difference is that the vaccine is a choice, and you're choosing to possibly have adverse effects through a substance that possibly protects you from the virus. Makes sense?

As you said, the virus is mutant. It means that even if I take it and everyone else in .. say Europe does, there will still be someone in India who might get another variant and it's going to still spread across the globe. The fear that, once vaxxed, you are going to receive a new variant from someone non-vaxxed does not make much sense in my opinion specifically due to the fact that this is quite uncontrollable and invisible.

At this point, the only thing I really wish is that the vaccine does not become mandatory because while you fear the long-term virus effects, I fear the long-term effects the vaccine plus the virus might have on my body. I don't trust those corps making vaccines, at least some of them. Especially J&J, which is known for their quite ugly lawsuit.

Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

break it down into different games of Russian roulette .

1) take the shots  they are good you win
2) take the shots  they are bad you lose
3) take the shots they are a push you break even
4) do not take the shots you are already full immune you win.
5) do not take the shots you are a Typhoid Mary you end up killing off tens of thousands
6) do not take the shots you are susceptible to Variant covid-20kevin20 it has yet to become into existence but it will in November and it takes you out.
7)  ask yourself this question the government and guys like Bill gates really want to whack billions do they want to whack people that obey them or defiant freedom lovers.
8.) if the answer to 7 is they want to whack defiant freedom lovers they release the antivax virus in 2022 thus all the ones that said I won't stick myself in the arm will be subject to covid-22 anti laxer virus whack a billion or more defiant freedom fighters from 2022 to 2023.
9) games of Russian roulette I missed.

Look at all of the above and make a guess.

for me it is easy since I have seen first hand what covid -19 can do.

and I think 7 and 8 make sense if you go into conspiracy theory.

[hodl_2015]

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Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

What is quite clear is that general health plays a role, so for now I try to work on that, and keep vitamins and minerals stocked up and try to vary my food more.

[Kylapoiss]

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Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

What is quite clear is that general health plays a role, so for now I try to work on that, and keep vitamins and minerals stocked up and try to vary my food more.

I caught it, didn't have any symptoms and got over it easily. One of my good friends was in hospital under breathing apparatus (whatever it's called) for a week and they say recovery will take at least 2 years, my gf was quite sick and will have lung problems for months to come doctors say. This is one shitty virus, I'll get the shot when they'll start vaccinating my age range.

In another note, go bitcoin go! Waiting for 70k

[Farmer Bill]

people can do what they want but im with the science on this one. ive got comorbidities so ill let the deniers take the chance of long term organ system damage from catching covid.

I see it as a double-edged sword, but one of them is a choice while the other is just a possibility.

I am still waiting until the vaccine is studied more. I think it's fair to say that some of us are here, on BTCTalk, specifically because they don't like having to trust. I'm one of those guys.

At this point, I have a few friends who've received either their first dose or both. While some of them have had a few days of fever and other mild side effects, one thing I know for sure is that they all did need at least a few days free from their work due to how bad the side effects were. I have a few of them who've had quite bad ones though - they were never against the virus/vaccine, yet they said very loud and clear that "they thought they wouldn't be able to go through the side effects and it was just the first dose, so I shouldn't be surprised if they won't be able to go through the second anymore".

On the other hand, one of them was infected with the virus after taking the shot.

Something I don't know is what the longer term side effects are. Right now, we're comparing the chances of having bad adverse effects + the possibility of still being infected with the virus vs not taking the vaccine, which still has the possibility of being infected. But the difference is that the vaccine is a choice, and you're choosing to possibly have adverse effects through a substance that possibly protects you from the virus. Makes sense?

As you said, the virus is mutant. It means that even if I take it and everyone else in .. say Europe does, there will still be someone in India who might get another variant and it's going to still spread across the globe. The fear that, once vaxxed, you are going to receive a new variant from someone non-vaxxed does not make much sense in my opinion specifically due to the fact that this is quite uncontrollable and invisible.

At this point, the only thing I really wish is that the vaccine does not become mandatory because while you fear the long-term virus effects, I fear the long-term effects the vaccine plus the virus might have on my body. I don't trust those corps making vaccines, at least some of them. Especially J&J, which is known for their quite ugly lawsuit.

Right now, it's a complicated scenario where everything is pretty uncertain. We don't know what kind of other variants of the virus will appear, we don't know what the long-term effects are post-infection but we don't know those of the vaccine either.. it's all just an uncertainty and I think the worst thing I can do right now is take rushed choices..

Your choice!

The fact you are here writing this, is due to you likely having received the following vaccines in childhood.
Diptheria
Hepatitus B
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping cough
Meningitus B
Pneumonia
Roravirus  
Meningitis
Mumps
Measles

Before vaccines 1 in 4 children died before their 5th birthday and only 1 in 2 children made it to puberty. I'm pretty old and as a child one un vaccinated kid in my class had a crippled leg from polio and another had her eyesight wrecked from measles.  

If I don't vaccinate lambs on the farm, without fail they will start dying at around 8 weeks old, its always the biggest strongest lambs that go first. No idea why this is.

Most people take some big risks in during their life but vaccination is not one of them.

Go on get protected against Covid-19 it doesn't even hurt a little bit in case your are scared of needles.

In other news 60k hoo fucking ray, feels like I'm walking on air.

[strawbs]

Take the vaccine or don't take the vaccine. Entirely up to you. Kind of bored of hearing this discussion everywhere. Unless your government tries to force you to take it, but then you have bigger issues to deal with....

[edit: sorry, feeling grumpy and intolerant today. Tired of lockdown and all of the psychological and societal issues it brings, many of which will stay with us for years. Thank goodness hodling btc for years will allow me sufficient financial independence to escape from most of them].

In real news, go bitcoin go!

[friends1980]

So that was it? (again?)

[Kylapoiss]

So that was it? (again?)

Yeah BTC has been so boring in the past 6 months..

[d_eddie]

Similar to the recent subject about when should we start to measure BTC's price because of course, one of the very first transactions to buy two pizzas for 10k bitcoin might not be as representative as prices a few months down the road when larger numbers of trades are allowed and even locations for conducting such trades become more common.. so in that regard, there is a kind of product of the number of transactions and maybe the passage of time, and I do have some troubles gravitating on any price analysis that uses 2010 data because it seems so sporadic.. but it seems by the time that we are getting to 2011, even if the BTC price discovery is relatively immature, it seems fair enough to start to use that data rather than waiting for 2013 or some further down the road date - at least in my thinking.

I'd agree. I think that, barring contrary evidence, that is perfectly fine to consider as the seminal event in the price discovery for Bitcoin. I've always been wary of wanting to throw out data because it doesn't fit a narrative.

When JJG drops baby talk, agreeing becomes easier.

Chartbuddy is currently under contemplation.

Would be an interesting development... and surely no straight forward thing to keep going... concededly beyond my pay grade..

Yes Richy, come on give us that back. It will be more useful than bigblocking, at least around here. In diz here parts, peeps like the discussening of the actual King Daddy that is, not dee one that could have been. Amirite?

(Back to baby talk for the sake of pluralism - so you can feel free to disagree with me.)

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

The battle for $60k rages on... currently $60121USD/$75330CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Maybe an ATH soon? Maybe back to $5xxxx? I guess we'll see.

Go Bitcoin go.

So that was it? (again?)

Yeah BTC has been so boring in the past 6 months 12 years..

ftfy 

[BobLawblaw]

Set a sell order at $67k just incase... for... reasons. Not that I expect it to shoot up that high, this soon.

Full Disclosure: Reset near-term sell target at $60.5k to take some pressure off. Order is waiting to be executed.

I am OK with this decision.

Off to get coffee and start our day.

[20kevin20]

So that was it? (again?)

Doesn't Bitcoin usually explode through a bull run after calm times? I feel like Bitcoin has been awkwardly chill in the past few months, something has to happen soon.. perhaps Monday? So far all we have is a double top as far as I can see..

[shahzadafzal]

Thank you so much guys... I'm using Electrum now.

You might want to learn how to use it offline, together with either another phone or with your computer. You can use that Samsung as your cold wallet, while it's probably okay to keep it online as your hot wallet too.

We can use it offline? i did not know.. well i will definitely try and yes it's mostly be on flight mode.

Good stuff
Today I also just published my implementation of an Electrum server: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5329445

Sorry, really don't have any idea about Electrum server...

for the safety of my bitcoins

Hmmmm...

Wow you got eagle eyes I would say Richy_T...or laser eyes to be more specific..

Well im still using my iPhone so I will keep this samsung on flight mode mostly and will be online only when i need it.

[Richy_T]

I mean that there are a lot of angles we could work this tire analogy, and if the tire really were flat, then I have no problem acknowledging it, but if the tire is merely low on air pressure or if it is starting to get worn and might need replacement, those are different variations in which the some attention or precaution might be needed to keep using the tire under that condition, but it would not necessarily mean that the tire cannot be used, but it might not be adequate for some purposes but still be adequate for other purposes and before winter comes it will be update or before going on a long trip air will be added.

Yes, that's kind of the point of the analogy. You can certainly drive on a flat tire and you may even reach your destination. You can also argue that it's not the tire that it's something else or even that cars are supposed to go thud-thud-thud-thud. Perhaps it's beneficial in scaring away deer?

Would be an interesting development... and surely no straight forward thing to keep going... concededly beyond my pay grade..

In truth, I could just switch him back on. The main issue with keeping him going was that the gathering of data would fill my hard drive space. Since I never switched off the gathering of data, this is an issue I took steps to take care of (mostly by increasing hd space). I think his output could do with a freshen though. There's also the issue of after a long absence, whether people would really want him back. People complained and fussed when I introduced him to the other forum and did a bit on this one too when he was first introduced. We may need a poll.

[OutOfMemory]

So that was it? (again?)

Doesn't Bitcoin usually explode through a bull run after calm times? I feel like Bitcoin has been awkwardly chill in the past few months, something has to happen soon.. perhaps Monday? So far all we have is a double top as far as I can see..

Again: A Double Top is only a Double Top when confirmed (that is, breaking long term support level(s)).
So as far as we can "see", we have a possible DT, but nor very likely, because the ascending triangle forms on a higher, midterm magnitude.
Maybe some "market forces" try to model the chart into a "probable double top", to make weak hands sell and pick up their coins for cheap.
At least it looks to me that this would be the 2nd try to form a DT, but the difference between top1 and top2* is too low.

*EDIT: Actually "top2" from above is top3, the current one.

[Richy_T]

This is a little extra LOLOL material. They just keep setting up ways to save face and let the money printers go Brrrrrrr till King Bitcoin takes over.

Outrageous really but quite normalized. Possibly the writing is already on the wall for USD and they're just going all-out while they can. I'd expect an announcement about a new currency from BRICS sometime this year.

[rolling]

Yes, that's kind of the point of the analogy. You can certainly drive on a flat tire and you may even reach your destination. You can also argue that it's not the tire that it's something else or even that cars are supposed to go thud-thud-thud-thud. Perhaps it's beneficial in scaring away deer?

A better analogy would be the sound of the car running and you're the 3 year old in the back seat complaining about it.

Yes, it's supposed to do that little guy.

[shahzadafzal]

Come on what have you done?

Whenever chopper coming to WO too early... I see it doesn’t end well so see...

Let’s agree will bring chopper only after we cross the line.