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Everybody get the price of bitcoin they deserved.
If you figured it out in 2011, invested a lot, held and wasn't devastated by MtGox, etc, kudos to you.
There are probably only a few hundred to few thousand people like this in the world.
Most of these people do not post here, I assume, with a few exceptions.
Some people, like CZ, started later, but made much much more than a pure hodler because they run a business that emphasized the trend.

One thing that miffs me a bit after so many years is why the legitimacy of bitcoin is still being discussed and attacked so many years later.
Compare with internet: in 1999-2000 it was already clear that Internet would support many kinds of businesses and since then nobody (or almost nobody) opined that "we gonna tax that 'evil' internet or declare that it consumes too much server power".

It seems that bitcoin is much more contested, which was a real surprise to me in the last two years.
I cannot think of any argument in favor of fiat world with constantly losing purchasing power from wages, year after year after year.
There is a need for a factor that balances this and this factor is clearly bitcoin.

Do we have an alternative that can potentially save us from the effects of inflation?
Apart from bitcoin and gold, we don't and gold has it's own 'problems'.

EDIT: RE can protect in a stable inflation, but cannot in the rapidly rising inflation because it is a leveraged purchase and your buying power is devastated by the higher rates. Therefore, current homeowners, who bought houses at 2-4.5% interest, might not be able to find buyers (presumably) at higher prices when interest rates would be 8% (which they should be already).
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One thing that miffs me a bit after so many years is why the legitimacy of bitcoin is still being discussed and attacked so many years later.
Compare with internet: in 1999-2000 it was already clear that Internet would support many kinds of businesses and since then nobody (or almost nobody) opined that "we gonna tax that 'evil' internet or declare that it consumes too much server power".

Short answer 1:  Not to be snide, but either you are very young, or you have a short memory.  The way you said that—LOLWUT?  Of course, there was and is plenty of hyperventilating about the “evil Internet!!!!”

The Internet ignited political firestorms over free speech, among other issues.  Remember the Blue Ribbon campaign?

Your 1999–2000 timeframe was full of Internet controversies—many of which continue to this day, in some form and in some degree.  I recall a ton of mass-media FUD about how the Internet is a tool for criminals—infested with hackers, scammers, and child molesters—a scary place, a scary thing that can literally get you kidnapped or murdered if you are so crazy or stupid as to try (gasp!) “online dating”.

Today, it has morphed into scaremongering about how we all need salvation delivered at the hands of the heroic Trust and Safety Teams at Twitter, Facebook “Meta”, and other centralized silos of heavily censored, manipulated communications.  Forget 1999–2000.  It’s 2022, and the free Internet is still under attack by those whose vision of the “Internet” is a new and worse version of AOL, et al.

That reminds me—not specifically about your post, but about the state of “crypto”:

Old-school “crypto” cred is reserved for those who remember the first iteration of the Crypto Wars:  U.S. export restrictions, Netscape SSL with 40-bit keys, LOL.  Activists getting RSA tattoos, in the timeframe you state.  Long before it even reached that point, PGP was created by Phil Zimmerman as an activist-who-changes-the-world-by-writing-code type of response to then-Senator Joe Biden’s bill to ban strong encryption!

Bitcoin and PGP share DNA:  Hal Finney, who was essentially the co-creator of PGP, was Bitcoin User #2 who received the very first non-coinbase Bitcoin transaction from Satoshi (some interesting analysis).

Anyone who doesn’t use PGP has no crypto-cred, IMNSHO.  Because PGP is real crypto.  “Crypto” does not mean a VC-owned cesspit of Twitter-shilling for shitcoins:  It means cryptography.  It means using Bitcoin, PGP, Tor (Satoshi himself used Tor!), and otherwise intelligently applied cryptography (sorry, Jay, I will include some halfway-decent altcoins in that; I think it’s sad that >99.9% of altcoins give the rest a bad name).  If you don’t use PGP, then you are a n00b and a poseur as bad as a nocoiner.  Security and privacy are important issues, just as financial freedom is an important issue; I will shame the hell out of anyone who does not care about important issues.  Now, get off my lawn!

Short answer 2:  The Internet was not created to protect people from big-bank corruption.  Did you really suppose that the big banks, their pet politicians, and the whole system of financial corruption would take Bitcoin lying down?  Are Bitcoiners really that naïve?

POS and the “too much energy” organized propaganda campaign are political and economic attacks for the benefit of those who don’t want you to “Be Your Own Bank”.



A few months ago, I wrote a long rant to a friend about how the market is corrupted because traders figure PnL in dollars—everything is dollarized...  Years ago, a higher proportion of Bitcoin traders figured PnL in BTC.

Why do you have such a tendency to frequently frame matters in terms of "the good ole days used to be better", but now "things are going to shit?"  Asking for a friend.

Because it’s true.

Earlier, I wrote a long essay about this.  Set it aside.  Mulling it.

Thanks for the protip about that POW vs. POS megathread.  If you don’t mind, it may absorb energies that would have gone into finishing long replies to your earlier long replies on that subject—not sure yet.  I wrote too much to you, not too little—I got bogged down trying to organize it and cut it down to something other than publishing books in WO.  I appreciate the discussion with you.


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credit: btcKaz (screenshot/image found on Reddit)

My fav image I have seen He is right. If you look at it with household items or items you usually buy you can see that there is a similar correlation to be made. Look at fuel costs or energy costs.

Good point, in concept.  Thanks for raising it.  But the graphic is wrong; the numbers are way off.  To start with, in 1970, $1 bought much more than a burger!  WTF?  In 1970, a burger cost a fraction of a dollar.  People need to get their data straight.

For hard numbers based on more than handwaving, I don’t have an historical burger price index handy myself; but a one-minute web search finds plausible allegations that in 1970, the average price of a burger in the U.S. was $0.18.  That tweet is off by >5x.  If @btcKaz wants to price BTC the same way, I will be happy to sell him some BTC for $150k right now (to arb him for BTC profits, so that I can immediately buy >5x more BTC!).

Although I have not personally vetted all of its numbers, this site will hit you in the face with a solid wall of verifiable types of stats on the dollar’s volatility and long-term downtrend:
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

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For the record, I wrote the following before I saw that screenshotted tweet.  I have been thinking much about dollar volatility, and the incongruity of “stablecoins” pegged to an unstable altcoin:

I do recognize the need for price-stable currency, in addition to BTC.  I am not proposing a solution; I am stating a problem.  Anyone who still uses fiat shitcoins in permissioned banking systems is not permitted to argue with me about that:  You are using an altcoin, a central bank altcoin.  And the worst stablecoin scam is USD—the dollar itself.  It isn’t even stable:  Its price volatility for the past year-plus has been too large to qualify as “stable”, even if its volatility is still much lower than BTC’s.  Hey, maybe Do Kwon and Janet Yellen should get married!
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This is something I would love to watch when BTC reaches $21k or 200 WMA.

$21K isn't probably going to happen any time soon.

The best case for bears is to return to the new lows. The 200-week MA will presumably get up to speed to the lows when that occurs.

Doubtlessly result is rangebound somewhere in the range of $25K and $33K.
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Are we going to see a new Summer game this summer? It's June 4th Today.

I guess everyone from the WO knows about El duderino_'s special summer game. But, For those, Who don't know what I am talking about. You may want to check the previous game from here.

A member LIST .. What do we speculate the price will be this summer JOIN IN
Summer dip?!, December price outcome? ---> JOIN and guess the price GO! (This was a Winter game)
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