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July 25, 2022, 03:57:33 PM
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No it doesn't it's the other way around.

I'm not calculating market cap. I'm calculating the max value of a fixed coin asset, not the current.
If their scarcity is the same then their value per share(token) should be the same.
Therefore the token price multiplied by the max number of tokens should be the same.

I'm ignoring the other metrics like utility and decentralization which most certainly will have effect.


Lol scarcity being the same does not imply value is the same, that only holds with equal utility.

Anyway read this from 2017 if you're interested in a well-argued case about relative max valuations of store of value vs utility tokens: https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/john-pfeffer/An+Investor%27s+Take+on+Cryptoassets+v6.pdf

Thanks it's going to be a good read.

Yes an asset is more than its scarcity. For Eth going from not-scarce to scarse should have a positive effect regardless...

That by itself is a positive event for intrinsic value but in the case of a 100x overvaluation right now it might not be reflected in a change of market price at all.

Further, aren't they switching from PoW to PoS? An extreme detrimental development wrt value as that leads to more centralization. As a centralized solution it's simply a terribly complex and expensive solution that is already done much cheaper and easier.

PoS discussion is the same as when Bitcoin mining pools had >50% of hashing rate.

With the banning of mining and the increasing need of cheap power for mining one could say that Bitcoin is getting more centralized too...

Eth needs validators which are currently centralized but should decentralize over time. The switch hasn't been made yet.

But let me state I have more faith in Bitcoin but Ethereum is a profitable investment at the moment.

I'd like to hear your proof for the 100x overvaluation...

I think you are quick to mix things up. Yes, some developments in Bitcoin increase centralization (eg. The effective block size increase sneaked in with segwit,  I still consider that the largest permanent damage done to Bitcoin) while others decrease it. Temporalily or permanently.

Ethereum, however, is in another league altogether and has always been orders of magnitude more centralized than Bitcoin (in part unavoidable because it's inherently complex nature, also bringing down it's potential value by orders of magnitude and part because of bad choices, eg reverting the blockchain in the DAO event and starting out with  pre-mine rather than a fair initial distribution like Bitcoin). But now on top of that they go to PoS which' end-state is just guarenteed to be fully centralized because of economic incentives.

It's like when I say the batter in your baseball team has never hit a ball ever and you reply by saying well sometimes your batter doesnt hit a home run. Sure your comment may be true but it does not counter the fact that your batter is terrible.

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The argumentation for the overvaluation is made in the link I provided you with.
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Can we stop talking about shitcoins and which shitcoin is the best shitcoin? It makes the WO so boring.
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Can we stop talking about shitcoins and which shitcoin is the best shitcoin? It makes the WO so boring.

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Can we stop talking about shitcoins and which shitcoin is the best shitcoin? It makes the WO so boring.

Yes we don't care if shitcoin #1 is less shit than shitcoin #2.

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Can we stop talking about shitcoins and which shitcoin is the best shitcoin? It makes the WO so boring.
There is no best shitcoin and all of them are just burdens.



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This is just a pure coincidence. Russia is bad mmkay?!

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All those Ethereum fanboys gonna get rekt when they realize the fiat value of their precious token was in the mining and not in the utility. The utility will still be there when it goes to POS but the price won't.


That's a testable hypothesis..and we shall see soon.
If true, it also predicts something else, obviously, which is actionable.
I am still thinking whether to make any short term moves or not.
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All those Ethereum fanboys gonna get rekt when they realize the fiat value of their precious token was in the mining and not in the utility. The utility will still be there when it goes to POS but the price won't.


That's a testable hypothesis..and we shall see soon.
If true, it also predicts something else, obviously, which is actionable.
I am still thinking whether to make any short term moves or not.

Exactly this. I've made the short term move to increase my BTC stash.
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All those Ethereum fanboys gonna get rekt when they realize the fiat value of their precious token was in the mining and not in the utility. The utility will still be there when it goes to POS but the price won't.


That's a testable hypothesis..and we shall see soon.
If true, it also predicts something else, obviously, which is actionable.
I am still thinking whether to make any short term moves or not.

well 4 days mining eth on ethpool.org etherermine earns 23.6 million in eth

and all the staked eth on ehtpool.org is 23.8 million

so the ratio for a year would be 90 to 1

or if you count interest 4% of 23 million is 920,000 for staked vs 2.153 billion earned okay pull of 25% for power.


th pool miners would make  1.5 to 1.6 billion


overall 24 or 25 million a day mining earnings drop to 20 million a day or  7,300,000,000 a year

to 987,360,000. so the network is dropping over 6,300,000,000 in earnings.

and all the staking earnings stay frozen

the stakers would make 920,000

that is over 1500 to 1 ratio of earning dropping out on this pool alone




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All those Ethereum fanboys gonna get rekt when they realize the fiat value of their precious token was in the mining and not in the utility. The utility will still be there when it goes to POS but the price won't.


If CBs are smart and cunning enough they'll bid up Eth after it moves to PoS. "See Bitcoin? It all fine and safe, just do it. Doi it! Do it! Doooo iiiiiit! Think of the environment and stuff."

Hope CBs prove to be to disorganized and distracted or this could be a very dangerous attack.
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