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March 13, 2024, 05:50:07 PM
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More than 24 hours above 70K that's nice.

Observing 73000$ and 66666€.
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Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase and a known Bitcoin skeptic, remains unconvinced of the asset’s merits.

Speaking at the Australian Financial Review business summit in Sydney via video link, Dimon expressed his reservations about the asset amidst broader discussions on topics ranging from upcoming elections to federal economic policies.

During the call, Dimon criticized Bitcoin, particularly focusing on its volatility and the potential for its use in illegal activities, including money laundering and fraud.

He suggested that the rapid increase in Bitcoin's value might indicate a speculative bubble, cautioning investors about the risks involved.

Despite his criticisms, Dimon stated that he would defend the right of individuals to purchase Bitcoin, likening it to personal choices such as smoking cigarettes.

"I defend your right to smoke a cigarette, [and] I’ll defend your right to buy a Bitcoin."  Said by Dimon......

    ~You see no matter how they want to criticise bitcoin thesame mouth will still defend I will only say that Dimon is totally confused right here ~
 

Bitcoin still remains the king and aways become the kings of all coins

https://www.btctimes.com/news/jpmorgan-chase-ceo-says-he-will-defend-peoples-right-to-buy-bitcoin

Jamie Diamond is the FED, don't you know that yet?

Really thanks for the information comarade.. now I see the reason why he is dancing that tune been a wholesomely confused....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Even BlackRock's CEO vindicated Bitcoin as a tool to protect oneself from governments 🙌
I don't actually know what they want but I am.happy statoshi no dey even respond to all this commentaries
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In March 2020 we crashed to $5000... what a difference in only 4 years.
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March 13, 2024, 06:33:39 PM

I got a raise today.
3,33%
Needless to say I wasn't impressed.
Just keeping up with official inflation, or slightly above in euro zone.
I have been on committees which negotiate salaries: their argument when inflation is 2-3% is always...see, inflation is low, no need to exceed it, but when the inflation is 8-10%, they reverse the argument and start whining that they don't have the budget to go above, say, 5%. A complete silence about inflation and what it does to employees in this case.
I got 7% last year so I'm keeping up with average inflation (not necessarily my expenses inflation) however compared to seeing ones corn adding hundreds of thousands at a time, it's not much...

Even though in bitcoin, we might still measure some kind of a strict short-term increase in interest, but largely if we have been mostly building and holding our coins for 6-10 years, then as some point, we have so many doublings and compounding upon itself, so that even a few percentage increase in BTC prices, might even be months worth of our historical wages, and so at some point it no longer makes sense to continue working....

It seems that my BTC holdings had crossed over into such territories in early 2017, and if you think about it, in early 2017, we had merely had just gotten over $1,250  or so, and just a little over a year earlier we had been bouncing around $250 for so much time, so yeah going from $250 to $1,250 is a 5x, but we all know that the BTC price did not stop there, so even if we ended correcting back down into the $3ks after going to $19,666 in late 2017,  the upper $3ks would have been 3x higher than the 5x that we had already experienced in early 2015, so largely we are already 15x up at that point, even at the bottom of the worst times in 2018 that did end having one more dip in early 2020... and even though we really did not know that $3ks were going to be the bottom for that period, at some point it came to be that we likely could rest assured that sub $3k would likely never be reached again, which was still 15x higher than the $250-ish BTC prices through much of 2015.

So, yeah if you did not stack your bitcoin until later, then you likely have higher numbers that you have to work from, and I still do not even like to use $250 as my number rather than using $1k as my number in order to attempt to be somewhat more conservatively realistic in regards to my own profits and various losses that I made along the way that likely end up taking out a few of my earliest doublings, since I am needing to start with $1k as my doubling number rather than starting with $250.

There surely are some guys (or there should be some guys) in these here parts that might be able to use sub $10k as their starting out number.. but they may well feel better to be a bit more conservative in their calculations, and so therefore they choose to use $10k as their costs per BTC, and so they still might be just amazed to have had ONLY been around 50% in profits in late 2022, but now they ar fining themselves to be more than 7x in profits... or at least have 7x their initial starting amount... so the value that they put in is compounding at seemingly stupendous rates.. and at some point it might start to make sense to just start to live off of their BTC.. and they might be able to figure out some kind of calculation for that.

I think that my latest formula is going to account for the fact that the BTC price is generally not even touching the 200-WMA, so it is likely that fuck you status in bitcoin could actually start around 25% lower than fuck you status within traditional (non-bitcoin) asset classes.. which also means that the withdrawal rate could be sustained at 6% to 10% rather than 4% in traditional asset classes.  But guys still have to do the work of both calculating what their fuck you status might be and then making sure that they either get their bitcoin holdings up to 75% of their fuck you status.. or some combination of traditional formulas that combine with their bitcoin holdings in order to get them over the fuck you status threshold...

.. but from my point of view, we still should not be using BTC spot price to be making these kinds of calculations, even though if we shave off some BTC, we will be doing it at spot price, so it is not completely irrelevant in terms of various kinds of rakings that we might make if we conclude that it is in our interest to make some rakings rather than merely continuing to let our BTC holdings ride or continue to accumulate to our BTC holdings if we might be thinking that we don't have enough of dee cornz, yet.

Btw these rallies are they more exciting for last cycle newcomers
Or for the more OG multiple cycle hodlers?

For example I see some cheering from people buying 20-30-40-50k coins but the feeling for true OG’s is little more life changing somehow?
Also been through some aweful bears, still being here, believing, knowing what we have in hand and ultimately being strongly rewarded etc

That is part of the funniness because even though the later comers are in multitides of profits, there does seem to be a difference in the exponential nature, and so we likely have difficulties considering anyone with costs in the $20ks to $30ks as OGs, but maybe if our costs are in the $10k or less then maybe that might be considered more likely to be OG... because there needs to be a kind of cushion, and so the lower that you go in the costs per BTC help, but then over the years you could stack way more BTC, so even if you costs are around $20k rather than under $10k, but if you have 5x more BTC, then you are likely way better off, even if you cost per corn is higher.

Otherwise, I agree with the idea of being able to relax and the relaxing is not necessarily ONLY about our costs per BTC, but also a bit of time in the market too.

Bitcoin ETFs are 58% of the way to flipping Gold ETFs for total assets.

$58.7b for $BTC  
$98b for Gold

That's just after just 8 weeks...

At this rate, Bitcoin will flip Gold ETFs in a few month! Shocked



"Technically" speaking that is 59.87% - so almost 60%.    I get that answer by dividing = $58.77/$98.17.
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March 13, 2024, 06:37:42 PM

Interesting prediction by kellrobinson from page 28734:




Interesting chart.  The bit missing is the price seeking level related to the NEXT halving.
quadratic regression on the logarithmic scale indicates $76k
There's an app a chart for that ha ha

Interesting chart.  The bit missing is the price seeking level related to the NEXT halving.
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Btw these rallies are they more exciting for last cycle newcomers
Or for the more OG multiple cycle hodlers?

For example I see some cheering from people buying 20-30-40-50k coins but the feeling for true OG’s is little more life changing somehow?
Also been through some aweful bears, still being here, believing, knowing what we have in hand and ultimately being strongly rewarded etc
Look for any og that holds serious coin this is huge.

A 2012 guy can easily have 100 coins


I agree that a guy with 100 coins may well be set for life.. just like he was in late 2022... even though the BTC price was ONLY around $20k at that time (sometimes less and sometimes more)


SO

2021 6.90 million

2022 1.59 million at this point in time many people would struggle about the decision to have held

Yep.. Exactly.. you were struggling to consider what to do with your coin at that time and even suggesting that the guy with 100 coins should have sold.. and bought Ibonds, but that would have been dumb, even though the guy probably could have continued to make monthly withdrawals of his coins at a rate of 10% per year starting from October 1, 2022 and still would have plenty of coins today.. (and have right around 86.4 BTC right now).  Look at this calculation, and pay attention to the 200-WMA rather than the spot price.

2024 7.30 million at this point those that have held may shave off some of the 100 coins they held just in case we crash and burn. But maybe 5%

those are serious swings and I am pretty sure more than one person here on the wo has coin like that.

Myself due to a lack of belief from 2012 to 2017 I do not have coin like that.

This is nice uptick for me. It is not life changing.

You are saying that you got your belief into bitcoin in 2018?  so I can continue to harass you and say that if you had merely invested $200 per week into bitcoin starting from mid 2018, then you would have invested around $60.4k and gotten 4.8314 BTC.  That wouldn't be bad.

GrayScale selling hopefully slowing down.
Only 560 BTC transferred today.
The sooner they run out of Bitcoin, the better. What an awful business model, surely they drastically lower their fee soon or within a couple of months they have no Bitcoin and no business.

They don't really need to change what they are doing.  Even though they lost 40% of their BTC, BTC has gone up more than 40%, so they still have the same quantity of assets under manangement.

Just over a month until the halving now.
New Poll?

What will the price be at the time of the halving?

I'll have to see the options. 

I would suggest:

1) Sub $40k

2) $40k to $60k

3) $60,001 to $80k

4) $80,001 to $100k

5) $100,001 to $120k

6) $120,001 to $140k

7) more than $140k

In March 2020 we crashed to $5000... what a difference in only 4 years.

"Technically" we crashed to $3,850 on March 12/13, 2020.
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It’s being reported that Michael Saylor is raising another $500,000,000 to buy BTC! This guy is crazy and not going to let this rally stop anytime soon. As much as I hate trading, I think not buying long dated Microstrategy call options at the bottom of this cycle will forever be missing out on the easiest trade to get rich of all time.
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Btw these rallies are they more exciting for last cycle newcomers
Or for the more OG multiple cycle hodlers?

For example I see some cheering from people buying 20-30-40-50k coins but the feeling for true OG’s is little more life changing somehow?
Also been through some aweful bears, still being here, believing, knowing what we have in hand and ultimately being strongly rewarded etc
Look for any og that holds serious coin this is huge.

A 2012 guy can easily have 100 coins


I agree that a guy with 100 coins may well be set for life.. just like he was in late 2022... even though the BTC price was ONLY around $20k at that time (sometimes less and sometimes more)


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2021 6.90 million

2022 1.59 million at this point in time many people would struggle about the decision to have held

Yep.. Exactly.. you were struggling to consider what to do with your coin at that time and even suggesting that the guy with 100 coins should have sold.. and bought Ibonds, but that would have been dumb, even though the guy probably could have continued to make monthly withdrawals of his coins at a rate of 10% per year starting from October 1, 2022 and still would have plenty of coins today.. (and have right around 86.4 BTC right now).  Look at this calculation, and pay attention to the 200-WMA rather than the spot price.

2024 7.30 million at this point those that have held may shave off some of the 100 coins they held just in case we crash and burn. But maybe 5%

those are serious swings and I am pretty sure more than one person here on the wo has coin like that.

Myself due to a lack of belief from 2012 to 2017 I do not have coin like that.

This is nice uptick for me. It is not life changing.

You are saying that you got your belief into bitcoin in 2018?  so I can continue to harass you and say that if you had merely invested $200 per week into bitcoin starting from mid 2018, then you would have invested around $60.4k and gotten 4.8314 BTC.  That wouldn't be bad.[/b]


I never said I don't have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 btc.

I said I don't have 100 btc
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Btw these rallies are they more exciting for last cycle newcomers
Or for the more OG multiple cycle hodlers?

For example I see some cheering from people buying 20-30-40-50k coins but the feeling for true OG’s is little more life changing somehow?
Also been through some aweful bears, still being here, believing, knowing what we have in hand and ultimately being strongly rewarded etc
Look for any og that holds serious coin this is huge.

A 2012 guy can easily have 100 coins
I agree that a guy with 100 coins may well be set for life.. just like he was in late 2022... even though the BTC price was ONLY around $20k at that time (sometimes less and sometimes more)
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2021 6.90 million

2022 1.59 million at this point in time many people would struggle about the decision to have held
Yep.. Exactly.. you were struggling to consider what to do with your coin at that time and even suggesting that the guy with 100 coins should have sold.. and bought Ibonds, but that would have been dumb, even though the guy probably could have continued to make monthly withdrawals of his coins at a rate of 10% per year starting from October 1, 2022 and still would have plenty of coins today.. (and have right around 86.4 BTC right now).  Look at this calculation, and pay attention to the 200-WMA rather than the spot price.
2024 7.30 million at this point those that have held may shave off some of the 100 coins they held just in case we crash and burn. But maybe 5%

those are serious swings and I am pretty sure more than one person here on the wo has coin like that.

Myself due to a lack of belief from 2012 to 2017 I do not have coin like that.

This is nice uptick for me. It is not life changing.
You are saying that you got your belief into bitcoin in 2018?  so I can continue to harass you and say that if you had merely invested $200 per week into bitcoin starting from mid 2018, then you would have invested around $60.4k and gotten 4.8314 BTC.  That wouldn't be bad.[/b]
I never said I don't have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 btc.

I said I don't have 100 btc

I am not trying to coax out of you how many BTC that you have, but I am working with your discussion points.. so if you have been able to outperform DCAing and various kinds of BTC accumulation strategies by your trading and sometimes selling BTC to try to get more, then the more power to you... I suppose that I am just suggesting that the emphasis should be on BTC accumulation and buying until you reach whatever your accumulation (or over accumulation) goal is, and then you have more liberties to start shaving off BTC.. but you seems to have been so busy selling and then saying that you don't have enough BTC..

If you have enough BTC then there would not be any problem selling.. .. but the problem is selling BTC when you don't have enough.. and the specific amount of what "is enough" is up to you, not anything anyone else imposes on you.
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Btw these rallies are they more exciting for last cycle newcomers
Or for the more OG multiple cycle hodlers?

For example I see some cheering from people buying 20-30-40-50k coins but the feeling for true OG’s is little more life changing somehow?
Also been through some aweful bears, still being here, believing, knowing what we have in hand and ultimately being strongly rewarded etc
Look for any og that holds serious coin this is huge.

A 2012 guy can easily have 100 coins


I agree that a guy with 100 coins may well be set for life.. just like he was in late 2022... even though the BTC price was ONLY around $20k at that time (sometimes less and sometimes more)


SO

2021 6.90 million

2022 1.59 million at this point in time many people would struggle about the decision to have held

Yep.. Exactly.. you were struggling to consider what to do with your coin at that time and even suggesting that the guy with 100 coins should have sold.. and bought Ibonds, but that would have been dumb, even though the guy probably could have continued to make monthly withdrawals of his coins at a rate of 10% per year starting from October 1, 2022 and still would have plenty of coins today.. (and have right around 86.4 BTC right now).  Look at this calculation, and pay attention to the 200-WMA rather than the spot price.

2024 7.30 million at this point those that have held may shave off some of the 100 coins they held just in case we crash and burn. But maybe 5%

those are serious swings and I am pretty sure more than one person here on the wo has coin like that.

Myself due to a lack of belief from 2012 to 2017 I do not have coin like that.

This is nice uptick for me. It is not life changing.

You are saying that you got your belief into bitcoin in 2018?  so I can continue to harass you and say that if you had merely invested $200 per week into bitcoin starting from mid 2018, then you would have invested around $60.4k and gotten 4.8314 BTC.  That wouldn't be bad.[/b]


I never said I don't have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 btc.

I said I don't have 100 btc

I will continue working so hard and also be looking for money to make a better investment in bitcoin this kind of discussion in this thread is actually what I will like to be commenting on n for real with the ideas or having plenty bitcoin just as all you are aforementioning here seriously there is joy in me when I see ogs who has already grown to this level of discussing having BTC this way plenty as if it is a shit coins that has no value I want one day I will grow gradually to get to that stage ........
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It’s being reported that Michael Saylor is raising another $500,000,000 to buy BTC! This guy is crazy and not going to let this rally stop anytime soon. As much as I hate trading, I think not buying long dated Microstrategy call options at the bottom of this cycle will forever be missing out on the easiest trade to get rich of all time.

Here quant I wrote about it in another thread:


Rinse and repeat.
The important thing is that once they have cashed those 500 million, they will buy Bitcoin on the open market during the early European Hours, when liquidity is thin,  and they are not going to be shy. They will lift the market in European hours for approximatively 6,500 BTC. Another big green candle is coming in the next few days.

They did it last Monday, so I guess we have a pattern here.
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O/T

I'm all for this.

Future cars could ditch touchscreens and bring back buttons – all in the name of safety
https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/future-cars-could-ditch-touchscreen-and-go-back-to-physical-buttons-all-in-the-name-of-safety


Bye bye no stalk Tesla.

Bunch of dumb asses and those convinced "it doesn't matter, it's just as safe".  Roll Eyes
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Little early

But cruising into #HODLsleep
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O/T

I'm all for this.

Future cars could ditch touchscreens and bring back buttons – all in the name of safety
https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/future-cars-could-ditch-touchscreen-and-go-back-to-physical-buttons-all-in-the-name-of-safety


Bye bye no stalk Tesla.

Bunch of dumb asses and those convinced "it doesn't matter, it's just as safe".  Roll Eyes

A touchscreen for some media stuff and gps is fine, but I can never understand why it became so widely accepted to literally remove every button in the car and add it on the screen.. A bunch of morons, lol. I welcome a buttons & knobs comeback!
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