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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
$120K - 19 (17.6%)
$130K - 17 (15.7%)
$140K - 9 (8.3%)
$150K - 19 (17.6%)
$160K - 2 (1.9%)
$170K+ - 33 (30.6%)
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December 15, 2024, 05:04:44 AM

...squinty eyes.  Cats do that as a sign of trust and affection...

Don't ever stare at a cat or even look it straight in the eye. That's obviously a sign of aggression and hostility.

Always almost close your eyes and make little churring sounds and you'll have a friend for life.

Haha, watching Dexter Original sin and his line "I have a kinship with cats, natures own serial killers" made me think of this conversation. Smiley
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December 15, 2024, 05:35:53 AM

For 2025 I see two strong positive possibilities (among others):
1. If they announce SBR (strategic bitcoin reserve) in US, the only way they can accumulate bitcoin fast enough (and not overpay) would be to announce that if you send your bitcoin to SBR, all your cap gains are tax free. Of course, they could say that you also need to have it for one year or more, which could be just fine.

This is a strange concept. You are saying that citizens would be putting their money into the SBR?   You are referring to when we pay taxes?

And, then being exempt from capital gains only if meeting certain requirements seems complicated.  Either there is capital gains or there aren't.. or maybe changing the rate or changing when bitcoin becomes taxable for transaction.. for transactions greater than a certain amount... that is if they would not completely remove capital gains requirements or perhaps give some kind of preferential category to bitcoin (and perhaps other "crypto asssets").  

2. They could make bitcoin a permissible subject of a 1031 exchange. Before (in 2017), they specifically excluded it, but if that law would be amended, it would be another positive step for the price. 1031 exchange right now could only be done with real estate. This is basically a rule that you can "exchange" one RE property for another. Cap gains then are considered to be "transferred" to a new property. Before 2017 many types of property exchange were allowed, but the only remaining now is RE.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/section1031.asp

Could be possible to do something like that.. except does it require a lot of paperwork and accounting?  and only would allow bitcoin to be exempt from capital gains if it were larger kinds of transacting and remaining invested.. rather than complete removal of capital gains and being able to use bitcoin like a currency... almost like a legal tender law.. if there might be an ability to go that far with the ability to transact without having to engage in accounting obstacles.

I was thinking that maybe I could buy a Bitmain Antminer S21.  They are anywhere between $4k and $6k through Amazon, and they would be like 25-50x more powerful than my Bitaxe.. but in terms of sourcing maybe it would be better to buy from somewhere other than Amazon.. and maybe even pay with bitcoin?
I wonder if the S21s were very difficult to set up?  
Not difficult at all, but they emit soul-crashing noise, which is probably not a problem in an isolated basement that has an AC or a vent that has a 200V outlet (or two).

It also needs some 'serious' and somewhat expensive cables-Phil probably told you. If the cables you use are not 'enough', they could get on fire, so this is a critical point.
Sorry, it makes little sense to pay for S21 with bitcoin, imho, unless you immediately replace it (buy buying an equivalent amount of bitcoin for $$) as the miner is unlikely to mine a amount of bitcoin you bought it for. How come? Because miner prices are high during the bull market and bitcoin prices (in $ seem to increase).

So, ideally, you effectively pay with $$, then you mine bitcoin that exceeds the monetary value (in $$) you paid for it. You will also have a remainder miner value in a couple of years.
if he can stand the noise, has proper 220 volt
this is better.
https://altairtech.io/product/bitmain-antminer-t21-transformer/

3500 not sure they will take a cc from a new guy. but I got mine with a cc

These days, I am not opposed to buying things with bitcoin since I have more than enough bitcoin, and sure no problem to engage in spend and replace, but it seems that I am no longer in that place of my bitcoin journey.. so I have a tendency to want to spend bitcoin when I am able to do so.

I did a quick glance at their payment page, and it looks like this:


I have never used OpenNode, so I am not sure how I would use that.

Bank transfer is free, and credit card is an extra 3% fees.

Again, I have no problem buying things with bitcoin and not spending and replacing.. but sometimes if it is a BIGGER purchase then sure I might be inspired to want to replace... I would have to see how I am feeling about the matter at around the time that I submit the order.. if I were to do it...

if he does not rewire  uses 120 volt
he can get this

https://altairtech.io/product/bitchimney/
the higher end 1999 model does  40 or 53th based on 1 s21 hash board

That would save the worry about the wiring... even though I already have 220 in the garage, yet that would cause the garage to get quite hot, especially in the summer. .but I have a few windows in there too... but yeah, if Transformer S21 does not come with the proper plugs and proper cables, then I would have to make sure that I get the correct ones.

I am white listed to use my cc up to 10k or maybe 5k don't remember.
It's why I use fiat to talk mining profits. not btc.

I paid the power with a cc
I paid the miner with a cc
I mine and hodl.
I held from last year til the nov run up.

I ladder up sold to 101k and now am lock in for gear and power til august 2025..

I would be paying my power in fiat, and ultimately I would not expect one or two miners, even if I got both the 220V Transformer and the 110V BitChiminey, I would not consider them to really affect my bitcoin and/or my cash in any kind of meaningful way.. Yeah, it would be nice if they end up paying for themselves, but I am not really too bothered if it ends up being a wash.
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December 15, 2024, 05:37:24 AM
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...squinty eyes.  Cats do that as a sign of trust and affection...

Don't ever stare at a cat or even look it straight in the eye. That's obviously a sign of aggression and hostility.

Always almost close your eyes and make little churring sounds and you'll have a friend for life.

Haha, watching Dexter Original sin and his line "I have a kinship with cats, natures own serial killers" made me think of this conversation. Smiley

Watched it today pretty good.
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....... humans must whine about something...

Referring to yourself in the third person, yet with a descriptive undertone..

I got a chuckle out of that.

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$110k is just a threshold that loosely and indirectly relates to my "fuck-you" lever. And it also kind of cements the 6-digit order of magnitude (which, again, doesn't really mean anything).

1) I don't want to beat a dead horse, but spot price reliance on fuck you lever seems quite problematic from my perspective.. even though I don't have any problem with the idea of price-based (meaning uppity threshold) and/or time-based withdrawal points.. yet this particular focusing around $110k seems to be a kind of price-based, as if you were to have an order (let's say 1% of your stash) waiting to be cashed out there, but that seems contrary to what I would presume for your to consider any kind of a place to shave off some cornz....

The horse is dead, but if dead cats can bounce, then so can horses...

Of course, I wouldn't let spot price alone control my "fuck-you" lever, but not everything a human does or thinks are based purely on logic. $110k is just a threshold, a mental marker that I have set, and not at all related to any sell orders. Your presumptions are largely correct. I don't think this is the time to be shaving off any amount of corn, except if you absolutely have to (doesn't that apply every time?)...


2) getting a bit of a distance between $100k seems reasonable, but 10% hardly seems reasonable in terms of counting on anything... maybe 25% to 35% above it, or maybe I am asking too much?  how did $1,100 work out in regards to $1k?  We did not stay there very long.   How did $11k work out in regards to $10k?  Same thing.. It was not much of a thing.

You are not asking too much. Had it not been for my special $110k threshold, I would also pick a 30% margin as a healthy distance from the 5-->6-digit crossing point. I expect us (I mean, the price) to surpass that 30% margin very soon, maybe Q1 '25, dare I even suggest we'll see a 100% margin (i.e., price doubling) quite soon, with the usual wild bounces up and down on the way. We may be in for some major Trumpolining next year, but with a net-positive effect.


Sure it is better to be going up rather than down, and I truly have been speculating that our last 10-ish days since we first crossed over $100k (seems like longer, right?), we have just been spending time preparing to punish the fuck out of the so many folks selling at or around $100k who have not yet bought back... so why would the punishment stop at $110k?  Or why would $110k have much if any meaning?

No meaning. They will (continue to) be punished, that's for sure.


Sure, I have little to no idea what is going to happen.. but I would not be surprised to see $125k to $135k without any kind of a meaningful correction..  Admittedly, sometimes it takes time to go up or down or to figure out which way we are going, yet in the end, I'm going to be surprised if there were any meaningful correction in these here parts, and $110k seems almost the same as $95k to me.. and yeah, maybe it is all in my head, since we know that many times minority scenarios end up playing out.

No one really does (have any idea what is going to happen). But if I had to bet, my money would be (are) on continuing the uptrend. Give it some time, and $100k will be far behind us. Happened with $100, $1k, $10k, at a time when adoption/acceptance was nowhere near the degree it currently is. And the supply is capped to under 21M BTC. Cliché, but true: 1+1=2 and 1 BTC = 1 BTC.


$1M is the same. What's wrong with $900k? Or $1.1M? Human psychology... Just look at ChartBuddy when price is close to those nice, round, decimal numbers...

People do love round numbers, and historically in bitcoin those round number loving folks have tended to get screwed when they sold too many bitcoin at such round numbers... but yeah, in regards to $10k, we did end up coming back to that one quite a bit between January 2018 and all the way up to October 2020.

Yup. They do tend to get screwed by such round numbers, and some (mindrust, for one) even get screwed by DOWNity "outliers", like the one you mentioned. What was so special about $3500? Oh, that's right, the volatility. Scary thing.


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...squinty eyes.  Cats do that as a sign of trust and affection...

Don't ever stare at a cat or even look it straight in the eye. That's obviously a sign of aggression and hostility.

Always almost close your eyes and make little churring sounds and you'll have a friend for life.

Haha, watching Dexter Original sin and his line "I have a kinship with cats, natures own serial killers" made me think of this conversation. Smiley

I think they nailed it with the casting all round on that show, very good job!
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...squinty eyes.  Cats do that as a sign of trust and affection...

Don't ever stare at a cat or even look it straight in the eye. That's obviously a sign of aggression and hostility.

Always almost close your eyes and make little churring sounds and you'll have a friend for life.

And, I may add, cats are very good at telling what you're looking at. Even from the sides. Much better at it than dogs.
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@saylor
Is SaylorTracker.com missing a green dot?

https://x.com/saylor/status/1868277366226841996


I don’t know how I feel about this. Do we need more than just Saylor with big fiat bags, propping up the market?
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Yeah, I'm betting Chad did it again.
Brace for a dump (for ants) as soon as he announces what he did.
Routine already.
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Wake me up at 200k  Tongue
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December 15, 2024, 12:56:49 PM

morning wo just passed 103 k today back down to 102.9k.

also 49 hours in a row over 100k
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