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These links provides the most accurate info, I think:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coinbase-stock-slips-crypto-exchange-123040251.html

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Coinbase said no passwords or customer funds were ever accessed. However, it said names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, last four digits of Social Security numbers, masked bank account numbers, and Coinbase account data like "balance snapshots and transaction history" may have been compromised.

They also said that access was from outside of US, but it is not clear where the customers were.

https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/coinbase-discloses-security-breach-expects-impact-of-up-to-400m-4047654

The breach, which Coinbase described as an “extortion attempt,” is said to have started when criminals bribed overseas support contractors to extract internal data affecting less than 1% of monthly transacting users.

The attackers reportedly obtained names, addresses, and phone numbers, as well as masked Social Security [it means just the last four digits] and bank account information, government ID images, and account data.

Coinbase emphasized that the attackers did not gain access to passwords, two-factor authentication codes, private keys, or customer funds.

I think this has to be Coinbase PR, I bolded the really, really important thing that they seem to be trying to slip under the radar.

Say someone has even a reasonably small number of whole Bitcoin on their Coinbase account. That's worth a lot of money nowadays and the attackers know who has Large holdings or even have transferred large amounts off to their own storage and they have their names, addresses, phone numbers, pictures, drivers license, etc. etc. This is very dangerous for people who would be someone worth flying out to with a $5 wrench.

Seriously, if any of you in here fit that description, I would try to find out as quickly as possible if your account was one of the ones compromised. And if so, I don't know what you should do, but you should take some kind of precaution I would think, at least by a gun.

First of all, it's still don't trust, verify.
But nobody can verify what coinbase is telling us.
So they don't deserve to be trusted, or at least trusted in regards that can be verified.
As far as i correctly understood him (honestly, i don't happen to memorize his name, maybe because i care so little about this guy) in the video message, the customers in scope of the breach are being informed, but i was distracted by people around me while watching it.

But the thing with the gun... This isn't enough. Awareness and gun training are really important. There are also legal issues to take care of if you want to hold or use a gun in different countries. But learning to be aware of your surroundings is key to prepare for possible attacks. The bad boys don't drive up at your house, break open a window and start working you with the wrench, they likely observe and collect information in advance. Unfortunately, as i use powerful optics for one of my hobbies, i know how easy it is to observe from a big distance, which makes the observers much less visible. If one has the money (and a house), a panic room would be a good option, because it can be used by other familiy and household members in an emergency. Thinking of the cut off fingers in France to extort private keys from relatives...
I could go on, this topic can get quite complex, at least we can agree that it sucks more than almost anything else to get your personal data leaked when you're holding Bitcoin.


Not your keys not your coins
Not your server, not your data.



Stay away from centralized exchanges. They will find ways to extort your KYC as well as your money from you. And they will probably sell your data (passport and so on...) and they will claim it was due to a "hack" to avoid responsiblity.


Incoming identity thefts in 3...2...

That's exactly one of the facades of the trust/verify problem.
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Dumps are opportunities.
Take me to zero!

#stoichaiku

lead singer has a nice voice but being taken to zero is a bit scary thought for me.

Don't worry, it will stay a thought. Perhaps "add me a zero" would be more fitting, but I wouldn't mind stacking some cheap sats too.
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Oh good grief.  



Nothing to worry. It's just a new norm for us now.

Well, everyone will get to see that I took out loan against some of my Bitcoin to buy the last dip.  Smiley

Seriously though, this is pretty messed up.  Now the world is going to know I'm an Ethereum holder (Disclaimer: I was given a double digit amount of ETH nearly a decade ago and left it on Coinbase).

The market seems to be mostly shrugging off this news so far.  I'd hate to see our rally derailed, but we have gotten slightly ahead of M2 on "the chart" so a little sideways or slight downward action isn't the end of the world so long as we break $109K before heading back down to retest lows.
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Strangely enough, this ^^ is a winning strategy most of the time, but not always, obviously.
@jjg and @Philipma1957 always buy a declining bitcoin, but, historically, buying into the downtrend is a losing strategy.
Bitcoin just bails them out because of it's gigantic secular trend leading "up and to the right", that's it.
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Interesting shoe ever seen, the third official #Bitcoin Crocs shoe has officially launched.
Lol....if this Crocs Worth 1BTC in my region, a person wearing it will be kidnapped



https://store.bitcoinmagazine.com/products/bitcoin-crocs?srsltid=AfmBOorydoozhAPw0WUGvra12iplsHsdFm52447MPRsKEhszUyBoneu-
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Interesting shoe ever seen, the third official #Bitcoin Crocs shoe has officially launched.
Lol....if this Crocs Worth 1BTC in my region, a person wearing it will be kidnapped



https://store.bitcoinmagazine.com/products/bitcoin-crocs?srsltid=AfmBOorydoozhAPw0WUGvra12iplsHsdFm52447MPRsKEhszUyBoneu-

 Damn!  They're sold out already.  I was going to get some for MeMaw for puttering around in the garden.
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Interesting shoe ever seen, the third official #Bitcoin Crocs shoe has officially launched.
Lol....if this Crocs Worth 1BTC in my region, a person wearing it will be kidnapped



https://store.bitcoinmagazine.com/products/bitcoin-crocs?srsltid=AfmBOorydoozhAPw0WUGvra12iplsHsdFm52447MPRsKEhszUyBoneu-

A strange orientation of the letter..looks like McDonalds logo (on the side view).
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Interesting shoe ever seen, the third official #Bitcoin Crocs shoe has officially launched.
Lol....if this Crocs Worth 1BTC in my region, a person wearing it will be kidnapped



https://store.bitcoinmagazine.com/products/bitcoin-crocs?srsltid=AfmBOorydoozhAPw0WUGvra12iplsHsdFm52447MPRsKEhszUyBoneu-
I wish I could show you the face I made when I saw these two things.

Basically this...


Crocs are not worth a fraction of what the sell for NORMALLY.  And sold out?  This hurts my soul.

Plus those things look like something "Richard Heart" would wear.  To each they own I spose...

A strange orientation of the letter..looks like McDonalds logo (on the side view).


HA!  This would be a GREAT animation for dump times.  The bitcoin logo falls over to look like the golden arches and the landing knocks the = out of it.  With some I'm lovin' it music or something lol.
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First of all, it's still don't trust, verify.
But nobody can verify what coinbase is telling us.
So they don't deserve to be trusted, or at least trusted in regards that can be verified.
As far as i correctly understood him (honestly, i don't happen to memorize his name, maybe because i care so little about this guy) in the video message, the customers in scope of the breach are being informed, but i was distracted by people around me while watching it.

But the thing with the gun... This isn't enough. Awareness and gun training are really important. There are also legal issues to take care of if you want to hold or use a gun in different countries. But learning to be aware of your surroundings is key to prepare for possible attacks. The bad boys don't drive up at your house, break open a window and start working you with the wrench, they likely observe and collect information in advance. Unfortunately, as i use powerful optics for one of my hobbies, i know how easy it is to observe from a big distance, which makes the observers much less visible. If one has the money (and a house), a panic room would be a good option, because it can be used by other familiy and household members in an emergency. Thinking of the cut off fingers in France to extort private keys from relatives...
I could go on, this topic can get quite complex, at least we can agree that it sucks more than almost anything else to get your personal data leaked when you're holding Bitcoin.


Well said, and I do not mean to say a gun alone is the answer by any means.  People with guns without the understanding of how to use them and the risks etc are likely worse off in most ways.  And of course different places have different laws.  I think your safe room is a much better option, though yes expensive.  Must do some thinking on the concept of the misers/poor man's safe room design.

This also ends up being yet another reason for "Bitcoin Banks".  But I am hoping we continue to see the development of the kinds of Banks a cypherpunk would want to use.  The various mutisig scenarios in which the bank cannot act alone... time locks on portions of holdings.  No fractional holdings and of course full view of addresses.  Good schemes for UTXO control, and privacy.  And non centralized holdings.  Perhaps some value in BTC some in LBTC (though the jury is still out on federated models IMO as much as I like them).
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Pumps are certainties.
Dumps are opportunities.
Take me to zero!

#stoichaiku

lead singer has a nice voice but being taken to zero is a bit scary thought for me.

I am not sure, exactly, yet I was thinking that AlcoHoDL was suggesting that being taken to zero is gravitating towards zero fiat... so sure, that could be scary - moreso for some of us than others.

From $74k to $105k, formed a beautiful double top.
With recent Coinbase hack a perfect moment for bears taking over for a 30% - 50% dump.


Oh gawd.. You cannot give up on your bearish nonsense.

Pumps are certainties.
Dumps are opportunities.
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#stoichaiku
lead singer has a nice voice but being taken to zero is a bit scary thought for me.
Don't worry, it will stay a thought. Perhaps "add me a zero" would be more fitting, but I wouldn't mind stacking some cheap sats too.

There went my earlier theory that asserted that AlcoHoDL was aspiring to get to zero fiat.   Cry Cry Cry

I tend to think that many of the bitcoiners who have accumulated decent amounts of bitcoin prefer the BTC price to go up rather than down, yet I suppose, at the same time, many of us have gotten somewhat desensitized to the various ups and downs, so we also don't really mind buying on dips, yet we also might have gotten to a point that we need a measurable amount of dip before we even start to realize that there is a dip... so in that sense, it might seem a bit contradictory for any coiner to be thinking that if the BTC price dips to a certain amount perhaps 40% or some other pretty large dip, then at that point quite a few more coins will get bought up... so a kind of version of bitcoiners becoming perverted in their own statements of BTC price direction preferences.

Good luck with your supposed double top.

It might work or not this time, or it might play out like your expectation of a 50% correction back in November 2023 when we were between $35k and $40k.. That did not work out too well for you. Did it?

Ledger discontinues Nano-S support.
https://support.ledger.com/article/Ledger-Nano-S-Limitations?redirect=false
Thanks for nothing, french assholes.
I still couldn't decide on a new HWW, and these news put me under quite some pressure now.  Angry

How long has it been OOM?  Perhaps a couple of years? 

I recall that you lost your Ledger (Nano S, no?) and then you ended up putting the seed somewhere else to recover the coins, yet in the process, I thought that you had bought a hardware wallet (HWW).  Then perhaps after you had already recovered your bitcoin onto some other wallet, then you found your lost NanoS...

Not easy to follow all of the sagas in these here parts, yet I still thought that the punchline was that you had purchased some kind of a new HWW.

[edited out - referring to Coinbase]
And finally, there are rumors about them being a fractional reserve, which they obviously could be.

I thought that many times there had been questions about Coinbase's solvency - and surely they have a lot of coins, yet it is quite doubtful that they have all of the coins that they claim that they have, and surely if they had any kind of meaningful customer run on them, they might end up showing that they don't have anywhere near the number of coins they claim to have.

Yeah.. of course, they have a kind of retail side of their business, and then they have a custodial side of their business.. and so perhaps they are keeping those two parts somewhat segregated.. and maybe they have to keep those parts segregated to the extent that there are any consumer laws that apply related to their carrying out various fiduciary duties as a third party custodian... The laws probably differ based on each kind of service, and surely various terms of service might also dictate how much responsibility that they have in regards to having the coins that they claim to have.

We know with bitcoin (and crypto) there are likely not as many protections as compared with Banks with the FDIC and things like that, and probably part fo the reason that Coinbase had been losing customer funds so many years, and likely not paying the consequences and not reimbursing clients, yet in this more recent incident there is a lot of publicity, and that is why this time Coinbase (Brian) is saying that they are going to do "the right thing."  Yeah right..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Tell me another joke.

I'd hate to see our rally derailed, but we have gotten slightly ahead of M2 on "the chart" so a little sideways or slight downward action isn't the end of the world so long as we break $109K before heading back down to retest lows.

Gosh.. UP before down?

That is possible, yet many times people don't call BTC prices like that... even though sometimes it does end up happening like that.

I was sort of hoping to get a few more percentages past $109.. and maybe even $125k or so prior to a correction, yet the correction does not even need to retest $100k or to go below $100k, but yeah, it can really be difficult to know these things in advance, which seems to be part of the ongoing justification to make sure that we are prepared for either price direction (financially and psychologically).

I am also not prepared to proclaim that sub $80k is no longer possible, even though I would be willing to enter a bet that sub $70k is no longer going to happen (even though sure it is possible, but the odds of sub $70k seem to be a wee bit lower than 50/50.. so enough to make such a bet.... yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.. not a very outlandish bet... even though for fun, I might be still willing to bet that sub $80k is no longer going to happen, even though that may well not end up being a winning bet. There is quite a bit of difference between $70k and $80k, and yeah it may well be greater than 50/50 odds that sub $80k is never going to happen again, too.


Strangely enough, this ^^ is a winning strategy most of the time, but not always, obviously.
@jjg and @Philipma1957 always buy a declining bitcoin, but, historically, buying into the downtrend is a losing strategy.
Bitcoin just bails them out because of it's gigantic secular trend leading "up and to the right", that's it.

Bitcoin is not like any other asset, and we should already know that bitcoin is ongoingly going "up and to the right" like you said which is another way  of saying that   It is going up forever, LLLLLLL____-Biodom."  You should not be fighting that kind of a basic principle... and it is not like we are trading.. even though Philip seems to be trading, so even though he has some common features with me, it seems to be that we are rhyming rather than matching in our bitcoin accumulation and/or our bitcoin portfolio management approach.

My first year or two in bitcoin, I was pretty much buying at any time, even though I had started to think that I had enough bitcoin after the first full year, yet I could not resist but to keep accumulating bitcoin after the first year, and sure, like you suggested my ongoing buying seemed to be based on the price being down.. but I doubt that any BTC prices between $200 and $500 would have had made much difference for me, yet part of my own particulars was that I had largely frontloaded my bitcoin investment in the first year, and surely I had quite a bit of luck at that time in terms of my own cashflow situation (even though surely some might say that there is not a lot of luck to buy bitcoin all the way down from $1k and down to nearly $200 - so that part might not have had seemed like luck at the time, even though retrospectively there seems to be some luck, even with any of our abilities to buy bitcoin as the price is going down and we are not going to necessarily know how low it is going to go.. even though in your philosophy, you would have has suggested to wait rather than ongoingly buy during the time that the BTC price was ongoingly going down in 2014).   

Another thing for me, it logically made sense for me to be moving various assets around throughout late 2013 and into 2014 to be able to allocate what ended up being extra cash into bitcoin throughout 2014 - even though, sure i could have had gotten BTC cheaper in 2015, yet how is any normie (like this here cat?) really going to be able to know where the bottom might be or for how long it was going to continue to go down before it resumed its "up and to the right" trajectory, especially with an asset like bitcoin?  Yeah, sure after the fact we might think that we know or could have had known, but it is not really as obvious while going through such correction process.
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According to cryptorank, the volume of illiquid BTC supply_ that is, coins that are stored in wallets and hardly move_has exceeded 14 million BTC for the first time in history.

This means that more and more Bitcoins are going into hibernation"_ holders are in no hurry to sell.
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