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I think that the odds are greater than 50/50 for an ATH happening in June and maybe even approaching 60%, yet I am not sure the idea of an ATH in June is quite bettable unless someone were to be quite adamant against it happening and willing to give me odds for their betting against it.  

I would also be willing to bet against someone who might proclaim greater than 90% odds of a BTC ATH happening in June.  Any of these would be fun bets and not necessary for a lot of money.

Ok Jay, I’ll bite because I was just thinkening in my lil ole decraped brain.
I do believe King Daddy will have a lil old dumpening then the inevitable pumpening because lil ole me thinks that  all this anylyzening on this here famous thread matters no more than a ratts ass, because da cornz is gonna do what dee cornz does. Honey badger don’t gaf.  Amirite? Perhaps?

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So market is pushing to it's surface , after The moment James Wynn Gets liquidated $100M.

It cost him $100M and now he's saying buy and hodl BTC in Spot. Don't fade just HODL 🚀

I guess it is good that he is still willing to speak out, yet there should be some humbleness that should come from making BIG public bets, taunting the bears and losing on the public bet... including the dumbness of using leverage.

Hard to grant credibility to someone who loses that BIG in public, including while using leverage and including that Bitcoin remains amongst the best, if not the best of places that everyone and/or anyone (who has a discretionary income) could invest, and Wynn was fucking around with wanting to win even more.

Solid point. Wynn’s $100M loss is insane, a reminder of how dangerous leverage can be. And also making big public bets and losing can definitely shake credibility, now he claims that the corrupt market makers directly attacked him lol

And also him now saying buy and hodl BTC in spot actually circles back to the core principle. This shows that chasing more through leverage can lead to less.

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And I just can't help myself.
ATH in June?

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I will say:  "Just say 'no' to self-censoring."

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buddy i am so freaking hungry.

I am going to bake a picnic pork roast shred the mofo and eat about a pound of it with a sweet potato and some broccoli rabe and diced onions mixed into it.

followed by a sliced peach with cinnamon, marscapone cheese topped with a cherry 🍒.

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I think that the odds are greater than 50/50 for an ATH happening in June and maybe even approaching 60%, yet I am not sure the idea of an ATH in June is quite bettable unless someone were to be quite adamant against it happening and willing to give me odds for their betting against it.  

I would also be willing to bet against someone who might proclaim greater than 90% odds of a BTC ATH happening in June.  Any of these would be fun bets and not necessary for a lot of money.
Ath in June is pretty predictable.
The real question is how much ATH will be an ATH in June.
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…..I think that the odds are greater than 50/50 for an ATH happening in June and maybe even approaching 60%, yet I am not sure the idea of an ATH in June is quite bettable unless someone were to be quite adamant against it happening and willing to give me odds for their betting against it.  

I would also be willing to bet against someone who might proclaim greater than 90% odds of a BTC ATH happening in June.  Any of these would be fun bets and not necessary for a lot of money.
Ok Jay, I’ll bite because I was just thinkening in my lil ole decraped brain.
I do believe King Daddy will have a lil old dumpening then the inevitable pumpening because lil ole me thinks that  all this anylyzening on this here famous thread matters no more than a ratts ass, because da cornz is gonna do what dee cornz does. Honey badger don’t gaf.  Amirite? Perhaps?

I cannot see that you took a side of the bet that I was attempting to frame.

You seem to be more like 50/50 with some inclination towards up... just like me.  So your seeming to take the same side of the bet is not bettable. We don't seem to differ enough.

I don't even really want to bet, even though I was trying to describe some examples in which I might be willing to bet.  We have to disagree pretty strongly and stick to our guns in order to formulate some kind of a bet.

I also think that most guys would prefer to win, so they are not willing to enter into a bet that they are likely to lose - unless they get favorable odds, such as 10 to 1, 100 to 1, 1,000 to 1 or some other variation of good odds.

I suppose if the question is novel or interesting then that might become bettable too.

Yeah, bitcoin is going to do whatever it is going to do, but we do not necessarily know in advance.  With our $112k top from about 10 days ago, the furthest dip that we have gotten so far has been $103,127 - right around 24 hours ago (at the time of this post), which is only an 8% dip, which hardly seems worth getting excited about, and in the last hour or so, we have had price nearly touching $106k.. which is ONLY a 5.5% dip from the $112k top.  

I am not sure whether we can read much into various short-term variations on the price, yet it is still both: 1) difficult to see BTC price upward momentum being lost or 2) acknowledgement that BTC prices don't tend to get stuck in top ranges for very long before either breaking further up or stepping down to some more material level (such as greater than 8% - maybe even greater than 12%).  

 Anyhow when in doubt the momentum remains up while we are in a bull market, until we transition into a bear market, which we likely would not know that we are in a bear market until a minimum of 5-6 months after the cycle top is in.. .which I doubt too many of us would end up being too excited for a $112k top for this cycle.. and we might also be quite a bit shocked by such a $112k top if matters would end up playing out like that.


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Gotta make that a haiku
I’ll be back shortly…

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(Ok nm… already got the answer from that AI know-it-all asshole)

Before you figured it out, I was going to say 1 syllable for a contraction, yet if you needed it to be 2 syllables, then you would need to un-contract it.  That would have had been my "off-the-top-of-my-noggen" count-proclamation.

So market is pushing to it's surface , after The moment James Wynn Gets liquidated $100M.

It cost him $100M and now he's saying buy and hodl BTC in Spot. Don't fade just HODL 🚀
I guess it is good that he is still willing to speak out, yet there should be some humbleness that should come from making BIG public bets, taunting the bears and losing on the public bet... including the dumbness of using leverage.

Hard to grant credibility to someone who loses that BIG in public, including while using leverage and including that Bitcoin remains amongst the best, if not the best of places that everyone and/or anyone (who has a discretionary income) could invest, and Wynn was fucking around with wanting to win even more.
Solid point. Wynn’s $100M loss is insane, a reminder of how dangerous leverage can be. And also making big public bets and losing can definitely shake credibility, now he claims that the corrupt market makers directly attacked him lol

Many of us already suspect that there are a hell-of-a-lot of attempts to manipulate BTC prices, and we also know that sometimes they run out of ammunition and end up getting fucked (even though at the same time, many market manipulators are likely hedging their bets).

Regarding market manipulators going an extra mile to attack him, that may well be true, since I suspect that they like to know large liquidation points, since that would give them some sense of assurance regarding how much fuel is on the line to be able to get the price down to certain breaking point (liquidation) levels.  So, he could be correct that some market manipulators were purposefully targeting him specifically as he had taunted them to do, which they did.  Hard to feel sorry for such a guy, and likely many folks likely believe that he is a bit dumb for being so public about such a bet - while at the same time some of the guys in this thread had thought that no one really could have had been so dumb to do what Wynn did, so what Wynn did was his own manipulating attempt.

Probably what Wynn did was even dumber than what what Balaji did with his $1 million bet in 90 days in May 2023, and Balaji said that he was just saying that bitcoin would reach $1million in 90 days in order to raise awareness of the perilous status of the fiat/debt based economy.

And also him now saying buy and hodl BTC in spot actually circles back to the core principle. This shows that chasing more through leverage can lead to less.

I suppose describing a non-leverage strategy of just accumulating bitcoin might be helpful to show that he does have some reasonable ideas, yet many of us know that actions speak louder than words.. even though many of us already have been following a buy and hold strategy for years.. so
yeah, there is a bit of tension to hear the same the from a gambler.. and so in response we can just say, "well, duh?"

I think that the odds are greater than 50/50 for an ATH happening in June and maybe even approaching 60%, yet I am not sure the idea of an ATH in June is quite bettable unless someone were to be quite adamant against it happening and willing to give me odds for their betting against it.  

I would also be willing to bet against someone who might proclaim greater than 90% odds of a BTC ATH happening in June.  Any of these would be fun bets and not necessary for a lot of money.
Ath in June is pretty predictable.
The real question is how much ATH will be an ATH in June.
Because of research.

You are giving higher than 60% odds to it?  How about greater than 90% odds?   We are saying the same thing if you are coming out in around the ballpark of up to 60%, yet if you are getting higher than 60% then you are more confident than me, and if you are getting to 90% or higher odds, then I may well be willing to take the other side of such a bet.  We just have to figure out the numbers.. which might be 0.0001 BTC on my end, but then be 0.001 BTC on your end (or some other variation of such a bet) depending on the assigned odds.. and if you might consider it to be greater than 90% odds, then that would be bettable, yet if you are landing somewhere between 60% and 90% for your odds, then you are just more bullish and/or confident than me.. that is if you might be able to pin yourself down to some kind of a more exact number.. which for me, I tend to be closer to 50/50 for a lot of my ideas, but in this kind of a proposition I am willing to go up to 60%, but at this moment, I cannot drag myself into believing higher odds than 60% at the most..
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Last one was and F2 it did decent damage to trees and a warehouse.

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So do we think the 109-111 zone was just a double top like the last cycle and it's downhill from here on out till the next having?

or...

Are we building a launch pad for the next link up?

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buddy i am so freaking hungry.

I am going to bake a picnic pork roast shred the mofo and eat about a pound of it with a sweet potato and some broccoli rabe and diced onions mixed into it.

followed by a sliced peach with cinnamon, marscapone cheese topped with a cherry 🍒.

and unsweetened ice tea.

here is the desert. It is meant to be a one bite item so all flavors hit.

That is about 1/4 th of a small peach nuke the peach for 1 minute in the microwave cut the slice
add 1 tablespoon of marscapone cheese
add 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon
add 1 roasted salted wallnut half
and one  sunsweet morella cherry


1/4 of a small peach is 3-4 carbs with 1 or 2 as fiber so net 2-3
cheese is zero carb
cinnamon knock sugar out
1/2 a salted roasted walnut is 1 or 2 carbs at worse
the cherry is about  2 grams  weight which is about 1.5 grams of carbs

so net carbs is under 7 grams

the flavor is really really good

you must do it with one bite and taste the combo of flavors.

prep time is about 2 minutes for each one you make

a small peach will make 2 and give what is left of the peach to the non diabetic in the family
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So do we think the 109-111 zone was just a double top like the last cycle and it's downhill from here on out till the next having?
or...
Are we building a launch pad for the next link up?

Odds are probably less than 30% that $112k was the top for this cycle, and probably less than 45% that $130k or less would be the top for this cycle.. but yeah, of course, none of us can have very high levels of confidence, even though I think that odds for up, including that there better be greater than 0.5% for $1.5 million or greater as I had suggested to be the case in December 2021 for the end of that cycle (which had surprisingly ended up ending right around the time of my posting those predictions..
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So do we think the 109-111 zone was just a double top like the last cycle and it's downhill from here on out till the next having?
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Are we building a launch pad for the next link up?

Odds are probably less than 30% that $112k was the top for this cycle, and probably less than 45% that $130k or less would be the top for this cycle.. but yeah, of course, none of us can have very high levels of confidence, even though I think that odds for up, including that there better be greater than 0.5% for $1.5 million or greater as I had suggested to be the case in December 2021 for the end of that cycle (which had surprisingly ended up ending right around the time of my posting those predictions..

It seems that at this moment we cannot ascertain these odds with any certainty, albeit the numbers you posted are overall possible.
It could be 30% or 1% or 99%.
Taking bitcoin by itself-sure, but it ain't the whole story rn.
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So do we think the 109-111 zone was just a double top like the last cycle and it's downhill from here on out till the next having?

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Are we building a launch pad for the next link up?


I think 104 is the bottom. Bitcoin's doing fine....
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Triple top is on the way.

Better yet a double double top.

109-112


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So do we think the 109-111 zone was just a double top like the last cycle and it's downhill from here on out till the next having?
or...
Are we building a launch pad for the next link up?
Odds are probably less than 30% that $112k was the top for this cycle, and probably less than 45% that $130k or less would be the top for this cycle.. but yeah, of course, none of us can have very high levels of confidence, even though I think that odds for up, including that there better be greater than 0.5% for $1.5 million or greater as I had suggested to be the case in December 2021 for the end of that cycle (which had surprisingly ended up ending right around the time of my posting those predictions..
It seems that at this moment we cannot ascertain these odds with any certainty, albeit the numbers you posted are overall possible.
It could be 30% or 1% or 99%.
Taking bitcoin by itself-sure, but it ain't the whole story rn.

Yeah but so what?

Aren't you stating the obvious  when you are proclaiming that there are all kinds of possible scenarios?

You have to also recognize/appreciate that some scenarios are more likely than others, and if you are proclaiming 1% odds on something that I believe is closer to 50/50 (like my February-ish bet with WatChe), then our opinions differ to a great enough extent that it becomes bettable.

Any of us who assign probabilities to various events into the future, we are giving our own opinion in regards to such odds and taking everything that we know and don't know into account, and surely some things we just don't know that we don't know which can affect the probabilities, too.  Surely you are going to likely come up with different numbers than me, and if our spreads become high enough, we might gravitate into bettable territory.

If you are proclaiming that in fact it could be anything, then even if you are theoretically correct, you are acting like an uninformed person off the street who does not have any clues about bitcoin.  Both of us know that you are not uninformed about bitcoin, even though sometimes I criticize you for being too distracted by bitcoin as if it were some mature asset and to be also distracted by macro factors.. so we can differ on some of those ideas and frameworks about how to think about bitcoin and its price dynamics.

There may well be 75% of the WO regulars who are bullish about bitcoin, and even the current poll shows ONLY 4% of respondents proclaiming $110k as the top for this cycle... and sure, the poll might not be completely representative, but still we can get some ideas about directionally how we might feel, yet if we get too much into specifics, then we are likely going to start to argue more, yet our arguments might not even rise to the level of bettable, since we might directionally agree yet not disagree so much about specifics that we would want to actually wager a bet on the extent to which our opinions differ.

Another thing is that we cannot just throw our hands up and proclaim that the future is not knowable and then throw out a whole bunch of numbers in regards to what it could be, so even if you are correct that the future could be any of those numbers, I am not going to agree with your characterization that it could be anything, then if you are telling me that the odds are 90% in favor or 90% against the ATH being reached in June, then I am going to call you a looney and demand to bet with you on what I consider to be your outrageous claims and/or beliefs.

Thus, let's get to the point.  Are you proclaiming extreme scenarios such as greater than 90% or less than 10% so that you and I can bet?

I recall you also sometimes proclaiming that I never have an opinion on anything, and criticizing me for being 50/50 on a lot of bitcoin related matters, which surely I am somewhat guilty of frequently taking such a 50/50 position, yet even when I am 50/50 on some propositions, I still may well be willing to take a bet if someone is claiming 10% or 90% or greater about the same thing that I am feeling 50/50 about.

Triple top is on the way.
Better yet a double double top.
109-112

166-167

And "we" got Phil talking in riddles, too.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Even though anything is possible, I have difficulties considering anything less than $140k as a top for this cycle, even if the end of the cycle could drag out into the first or second quarter of 2026..  and that would be pretty fucking bearish if we ONLY ended up with a top that ended up being less than $140k and ending in the first or second quarter of 2026.  Holy fucking shit... We have 10s of companies (and even various governments) declaring that they are going to start to buy (and hoard) bitcoin, yet some folks think that supra $200k (a mere doubling from here) is overly bullish and they are having difficulties imagining it... and it seems that if for some reason if the cycle peaks at $140k or less any time before the second quarter of 2026, then surely there must be some really sophisticated fractional reserve practices in progress. since it is difficult to imagine all of the seeming demand not pushing up the price of this actually fixed quantity asset.  And, at the same time, we still have 7 months left in 2025, so quite a bit can happen in 7 months, too... which even $200k seems overly bearish... while at the same time, each of us should be accepting that a wide variety of scenarios could end up playing out... some of the scenarios bullish and some of them bearish.
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