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[LoyceV]

Bitcoin versus gold ownership in the United States according to a new report from River

https://river.com/learn/files/river-america-report-2025.pdf?ref=blog.river.com

1 out of 6 or 1 out of 7 Americans have BTC

I don't believe it.

I guess it depends on the definition: I'd say owning Bitcoin means owning owning your keys. Considering there are only 53,218,057 funded Bitcoin addresses (based on yesterday's data), and considering many Bitcoin owners have more than one funded address, there are far less than 50 million Bitcoin owners worldwide.
On the other hand, if I use a broker to buy shares of a certain company, I can say I own shares of that company. So I guess (by now) it's okay to say you own Bitcoin when you "have" some on an exchange or ETF. By that definition, 1 in 6 or 7 sounds plausible.

[OutOfMemory]

Bitcoin versus gold ownership in the United States according to a new report from River

https://river.com/learn/files/river-america-report-2025.pdf?ref=blog.river.com

1 out of 6 or 1 out of 7 Americans have BTC

I don't believe it.

I guess it depends on the definition: I'd say owning Bitcoin means owning owning your keys. Considering there are only 53,218,057 funded Bitcoin addresses (based on yesterday's data), and considering many Bitcoin owners have more than one funded address, there are far less than 50 million Bitcoin owners worldwide.
On the other hand, if I use a broker to buy shares of a certain company, I can say I own shares of that company. So I guess (by now) it's okay to say you own Bitcoin when you "have" some on an exchange or ETF. By that definition, 1 in 6 or 7 sounds plausible.

IMO, if the paper Bitcoin are backed by real Bitcoin, either ETF or Echange, they count.
If you follow the "NYKNYC" principle, they don't count.
It's a matter of perspective, but also paper Bitcoin holders are Bitcoin holders, so far.
*insert Homer Simpson "so far" meme here*

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[Phil_S]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14923531/belgian-football-barber-honeytrap-kidnap-gang-London-500k-cryptocurrency.html

A barber to footballers was lured to London in a 'honeytrap' plot by bungling thugs who demanded £500,000 – then discovered he had only £2,000.

Quentin Cepeljac, from Belgium, was tricked into travelling to the capital by a gang who believed he was also a wealthy cryptocurrency trader.

But after threatening him with a machete, they learned his crypto accounts held just £6.71 – leading one to exclaim: 'Are you kidding me?'

Where's the мoney, Lebowski ?!

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[Paashaas]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14923531/belgian-football-barber-honeytrap-kidnap-gang-London-500k-cryptocurrency.html

A barber to footballers was lured to London in a 'honeytrap' plot by bungling thugs who demanded £500,000 – then discovered he had only £2,000.

Quentin Cepeljac, from Belgium, was tricked into travelling to the capital by a gang who believed he was also a wealthy cryptocurrency trader.

But after threatening him with a machete, they learned his crypto accounts held just £6.71 – leading one to exclaim: 'Are you kidding me?'

Where's the мoney, Lebowski ?!

He showed his decoy wallet to defraud the attackers while his real stack hidden behind another passphrase.

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[P_Shep]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14923531/belgian-football-barber-honeytrap-kidnap-gang-London-500k-cryptocurrency.html

A barber to footballers was lured to London in a 'honeytrap' plot by bungling thugs who demanded £500,000 – then discovered he had only £2,000.

Quentin Cepeljac, from Belgium, was tricked into travelling to the capital by a gang who believed he was also a wealthy cryptocurrency trader.

But after threatening him with a machete, they learned his crypto accounts held just £6.71 – leading one to exclaim: 'Are you kidding me?'

Where's the мoney, Lebowski ?!

He showed his decoy wallet to defraud the attackers while his real stack hidden behind another passphrase.

Plausible deniability FTW!

[promise444c5]

Tomorrow will make 180 days for the working group to give report back to Mr president
January 23rd ->July 22 [ 8+28+31+30+31+30+22.. days]

Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Working Group shall submit a report to the President, through the APEP, which shall recommend regulatory and legislative proposals that advance the policies established in this order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/strengthening-american-leadership-in-digital-financial-technology/
Sec. 4 C

Nothing came out still… but there was an existing news saying yesterday or by the end of the month.. so probably by the end of the month.

Regarding the news circulating on social media, I actually thought Powell was going to resign, but it turns out that wasn’t the case and the letter that surfaced online was fake.



https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2025/07/22/mike-lee-jerome-powell-fed-fake-resignation-letter

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[Lucius]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14923531/belgian-football-barber-honeytrap-kidnap-gang-London-500k-cryptocurrency.html

A barber to footballers was lured to London in a 'honeytrap' plot by bungling thugs who demanded £500,000 – then discovered he had only £2,000.

Quentin Cepeljac, from Belgium, was tricked into travelling to the capital by a gang who believed he was also a wealthy cryptocurrency trader.

But after threatening him with a machete, they learned his crypto accounts held just £6.71 – leading one to exclaim: 'Are you kidding me?'

Where's the мoney, Lebowski ?!

Cepeljac is a surname that originates from the Balkans, and as far as I can see, the hijackers are all immigrants who would be more suited to the uniforms of some terrorist organization than shirts and sweatpants. What the victim and the kidnappers have in common is that they have an IQ of around 70 (or less), because when I read the article it seemed to me like I was reading a script for a bad movie.

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[Gachapin]

What hash rate and electrical use will bitcoin be using at 1 million evaluation?

how much money, energy and lives are used to secure humanity's wealth?

[philipma1957]

What hash rate and electrical use will bitcoin be using at 1 million evaluation?

a legit question

easy math would be 1,000,000/120,000= 8.333

8.333 times what we have now or 1100eh x 8.333 = 9166 eh


now what is that in power use well 50% off due to more efficient mining would mean 5 or 6 watts a th

so 9166eh is

9,166,000ph is

9,166,000,000th x 6watts is 54,996,000,000 watts an hour or

54,996,000Kwatts an hour or

54,996megawatts an hour.  seems like a lot but it is about  the 3 largest hydroplants in the world


1.   Three Gorges Dam    China           30°49′15″N 111°00′08″E   22,500         
2.   Baihetan Dam           China           27°13′07″N 102°54′22″E   16,000         
4.   Itaipu Dam            Brazil Paraguay   25°24′31″S 54°35′21″W   14,000   


from wiki they would carry the load

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_power_stations


so not a big deal.

the key is the will to use better solar and wind and management as the world has so much usable power it is not an issue at all.
at all

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[Richy_T]

I guess it depends on the definition: I'd say owning Bitcoin means owning owning your keys. Considering there are only 53,218,057 funded Bitcoin addresses (based on yesterday's data), and considering many Bitcoin owners have more than one funded address, there are far less than 50 million Bitcoin owners worldwide.
On the other hand, if I use a broker to buy shares of a certain company, I can say I own shares of that company. So I guess (by now) it's okay to say you own Bitcoin when you "have" some on an exchange or ETF. By that definition, 1 in 6 or 7 sounds plausible.

There is some nuanced perspectives about ownership. The conclusion I've come to is that if you own it if you can keep it. This is possible for Bitcoin like nothing else.

See also the "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" discussion.

[Gachapin]

Why would you want to get a loan in paper bitcoin, though?

I don't But I can imagine bankers coming up with this scenario for profit.

Why not take a loan in paper dollars, and use them to buy bitcoin?  This way, you don't have counterparty risk (bank going bankrupt, or practicing fractional reserve with no reserves), while you do borrow the bitcoin.  You're also increasing the supply of dollars, while decreasing the market supply of bitcoin, driving the price up.

I wouldn't invest borrowed money, but I'm risk-averse when it comes to debt.

I wouldn't have the balls, but got a friend who took on a huge loan (about 3x his annual income) and bought BTC @60k.

he is able pay back the full loan + interest with his income over the years while his BTC stash gains value against the fiat he borrowed.

If he looses his job... too bad, his BTC are already on some addresses nobody has access to apart from him.

I really consider it a smart move without too much risk...

[Richy_T]

I really consider it a smart move without too much risk...

The fall into the 400s lasted a loooong time. If you held, you eventually made out but I think there were a lot of people lost heart and sold. Remember, everything looks easy in retrospect.