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From you explanation, that means if a Stake participant is able to be buying Bitcoin with part of the signature campaign payment on a weekly basis, he would end up accumulating a lot of Bitcoin if it's done for 52 weeks a year consecutively for 4 to 6 years. This would be a breakthrough from mosh holders to earn more money when the value of Bitcoin keeps increasing.

Imagine converting payment in USDC to Bitcoin a week basis.
Let's assume a Stake participants frequently convert 100 USDC to Bitcoin every week for 4 years to 6 years intervals.

100 USDC × 52 weeks a year = 5200 USDC worth in BTC
5200 USDC × 4 years  = 20,800 USDC in BTC

If a participant is able to buy Bitcoin every single week worth of 100 USDC for 4 consecutive years. This would worth a lot of money more than 20,800 USDC worth in Bitcoin because the price of Bitcoin is not stable like the stablecoins i.e price is fixed!

If we assume that a Stake  particular has been has been holding Bitcoin since August 2021 no matter the value, by now the worth would have exceed 5X if I am not mistaken. Buying and accumulating Bitcoin every week is what will make value to exceed 5X to a greater worth than holding in shitty centralized stablecoin like USDC that is almost controlled by the government influence.

Your math comes off as mostly correct, yet we still might presume even a person who invested $100 per week into bitcoin for 10 years, then he would have had invested into bitcoin around $5,200 per year and $104k $52k over 10 years, so it is unlikely that he would have accumulated even half of a bitcoin. Perhaps after 10 years, he might have had accumulated in the ballpark of less than 0.25 BTC, yet of course, each of us can ONLY do what we can do, and if we have money from a signature campaign, we also might have money from other sources.  We cannot necessarily count on the pay rate of the signature campaign continuing at a similar rate, even if we might ongoingly try to make sure that we are participating in the higher paying of the signature campaigns.

Another thing, you cannot just say proclaim that since the bitcoin price went up 5x in the past 3 years that the person's bitcoin holdings would have had gone up by 5x unless they were able to invest all of their money at a lump sum at a low price and then the bitcoin price goes up 5x after they had already established their stake in bitcoin.  You can look at the kinds of numbers you get on a DCA calculator.
The DCA calculator I have seen through the link you dropped here had shown a precise way of calculating how much an investor might have earned investing in Bitcoin on a weekly interval. This is an eye opener to me so I wouldn't have to keep doing rough calculations when I can easily make use of the DCA strategic calculator to enhance a precise outcome pointing at how the price of Bitcoin has been moving along the years.

I will like to know if using the DCA strategy only encompasses investing in Bitcoin on a short intervals? Can I also conclude that buying Bitcoin over a long period of time consecutively can be attributed to using the DCA strategy in acquiring Bitcoin? Maybe I am taking this too far but an hint would help in a long way.


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So even a guy who had invested $100 per week over the past two cycles (let's say from April 11, 2017 until April 11, 2025) , he would have had invested right around $42k and he would have accumulated right around 4 BTC. Surely not a bad place to be, but he would not have had been even close to the guy who already had $42k and who had invested $42k at the beginning of the period, in April 2017.  The guy who lump summed into the investment would have been able to accumulate 34 bitcoin from the same $42k invested.
 Thank you for sharing the link to the DCA strategic calculator. I never knew their was a calculator that could help bringing all these to reality. My explanation seems to fall in line with the DCA and from henceforth, I will take full use of this calculator which I found high comprehensive.

Investing in Bitcoin can be highly profitable and I think that was the main reason why we have been seeing big companies and government of different nations creating a strategic reserves on Bitcoin. They knew that if they could acquire large amounts of Bitcoin and holding it for several years, maybe 10 to 20 years, the value would have increased exceeding what the bank can ever afford to give you as interest on keeping your funds with them.

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I don't think it matters how old someone is to be honest.  People who save money will save it and people who spend it will spend it.  I was a penny pincher when I was a kid and I still am today.  I also know people in their 70s and 80s that you could give a million dollars to and they would just use it to dig themselves deeper in debt.  So part of me thinks the younger the better, although for people who aren't financially forward thinking it could be a disaster.  If you don't think the person receiving the money could handle it, an annuity is a great option.

Maybe as part of a will it could include taking a personal finance class before receiving the money.

if i had been handed fuck you money in my late 20s even early 30s i would now be broke, addicted to everything, in jail, or dead. ie.. total waste, except for the brief time i would of been LIT to the point my brain just broke. doubtful id like it afterwards though, so glad it didn't happen

but the same fuck you money in my mid 40s would of been actually used ... well "mostly better" any way lol as i would likely live through it and gained enough knowledge to go more or less ok from there.


I agree with OgNasty.

I am the kind of person that I could have received that money in my early 20s and I would not be broke. And I don`t think I am an exception.

In my early 20s I got a very nice job with good salary. Just saved most of my salary every month and lived a very frugal life, because I wanted to FIRE at 40s (and I probably will). I have friend from this job who are also trying to do the same.

Ofc bitcoin was very important in this strategy, specially because it has been highly profitable to hold it. (this forum is also very important, as it worked as an extra income for me)

But I do hate my job since the first day I got into that company. This hate made me study investments and learn discipline. I doubt I would do any different if I had more income... I always had FIRE as a goal.
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If I had got that kind of money in my 20s, I wouldn't be broke now either. On the contrary. I would have bought lots of stocks (blue chips), which is what I did with what I had. Later, I would have more to put into bitcoin. I would be a whale now, possibly with a 4-digit stash. How happier would I be than I am now? That's a different question.
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Hello all.

I don't know about you but despite being a long time hodler corn price's swings affect me more instead of less.

Not like a jittery newbie who can sell in panic, not at all, but just my mood. I see a drop and I feel sad, I see a rise and I feel great.

I need to lose weight so I don't jump on food (or alcohol) for either scenario anymore which might contribute to it.

 As long as it's not a profound sadness, this is a perfectly normal emotional response.  Maybe just zoom out or start watching a longer-term average value rather than spot.
If that fails, there's always CrossFit.  The dude never frets over bitcoin price.
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I have to say, is a long long time for me without posting here in the Wall Oberserver, but i only come here again to say.

I fucking missed my prediction, and im talking about the thing i really think August it was gonna be a super pump month but nothing of that happen at all.

Lets see if september gives us our 125k+ prize and even 150k+.  Grin
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Time for Bitcoin to follow, once again.

Bring on $150,000.

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Well I will do a long leverage with 50x, with SL below $ 109k, with the data now I am quite confident that Bitcoin will continue to survive above $ 110k, at least until the interest rate cuts occur and the money will flow back to the market.

Hello all.

I don't know about you but despite being a long time hodler corn price's swings affect me more instead of less.

Not like a jittery newbie who can sell in panic, not at all, but just my mood. I see a drop and I feel sad, I see a rise and I feel great.

I need to lose weight so I don't jump on food (or alcohol) for either scenario anymore which might contribute to it.

Is it a surplus of corn harvest in your area?

You can join them in this thread, doing 100 push ups or others every day will help you lose weight.  Grin
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If I had got that kind of money in my 20s, I wouldn't be broke now either. On the contrary. I would have bought lots of stocks (blue chips), which is what I did with what I had. Later, I would have more to put into bitcoin. I would be a whale now, possibly with a 4-digit stash. How happier would I be than I am now? That's a different question.
Sometimes life can be unimaginable when you plan the future and how it's going to playout while the nature will always show you the reality of life.
The misery of life had hits me so hard that I can't still imagine that I have no baby to hit my door crying for a fatherly love and care!
Hoping for nature to hear my cry one last time!
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It is nice to see that monthly BTC price performance chart from that above-linked article.
 


Earlier I had a post from my memory in which I was thinking (and speculating out loud) that last year had both August and September in the positive, but then when I look at the actual chart of the actual numbers, I see that August was negative and September was positive, yet August was a baby negative and September was not a big positive, yet I recall that bitcoin's performance last August and September ended up being much better relative to how negative the sentiment was at the time about how August and September would perform, August ended up being way less negative than what people were speculating that it was going to be and September was not greatly positive, so we largely had flat through August and September last year which was surely seemingly better than expectations.. and at that time the BTC price was bouncing in a kind of local bottom and we hit the local bottom of $49,577 at the beginning of August but then we ended September in the mid-$60ks.

We still cannot know for sure how the future is going to work out by looking at the past, but we can still see some quite interesting price performances in which some months had very high percentages in their performance and then other months of low percentage performance, but still maybe several months in a row of positive performance that ends up adding up when we look at the prices that are underlying those percentage numbers.

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The DCA calculator I have seen through the link you dropped here had shown a precise way of calculating how much an investor might have earned investing in Bitcoin on a weekly interval. This is an eye opener to me so I wouldn't have to keep doing rough calculations when I can easily make use of the DCA strategic calculator to enhance a precise outcome pointing at how the price of Bitcoin has been moving along the years.


Yep.  There is nothing wrong with doing some of the math yourself or even verifying that the calculator is coming up with the right numbers, since sometimes the calculators are not calculating properly.  Also sometimes you might use the calculator to give you some rough ideas for a certain period of time and even changing various assumptions for different periods of time and then adding up the numbers.

So maybe we have a guy who might have started out investing 6 years ago, and he might have started out with $25 per week and then each year he doubled his weekly amount, we can use the tool to hone in on the numbers, and we can see that he would have had done better than the guy who kept his amount flat.. but we also likely would see that historically any guy who increases his investment amount, even doubling ever year, still would have had been way better off to try to front-load ihis investment towards the beginning, since even his increases of doubling every year would not have had done as well as investing more in the beginning.

At the same time, guys can ONLY do what they are able to do, since it is better to invest within your means rather than overdoing it and end up recking yourself and ending up with  way lower quantities of bitcoin based on overdoing it... Sometimes it can be difficult to measure if we might have had over done it until it is too late, so frequently as we are growing our bitcoin investment, we likely need to figure out ways to build and maintain back up funds so that we can have money available in case we make mistakes and so that our bitcoin does not end up servicing as a back up fund, especially if we might be investing 4-10 years or longer, and many of the guys here who have done the best have had investment timelines of greater than a couple of cycles and they might have spent quite a bit of time building their bitcoin in one or two cycles without trading and/or selling, just ongoingly buying and/or HODLing during periods that they might have had run out of money.

I will like to know if using the DCA strategy only encompasses investing in Bitcoin on a short intervals? Can I also conclude that buying Bitcoin over a long period of time consecutively can be attributed to using the DCA strategy in acquiring Bitcoin? Maybe I am taking this too far but an hint would help in a long way.


DCA largely describes a way of buying bitcoin over a period of time, so you can use DCA to establish a long term position or you can use it to trade.. so that maybe you buy your bitcoin over a period of time and then you try to trade the bitcoin to buy back cheaper.

I don't recommend trying to trade bitcoin, especially while you are still building your portfolio, which can take a cycle or two or more to really build it up to a sizable amount.

But yeah in the end you can use DCA however, you like, and surely some folks will assert that they are investing even though they are trading, so in that respect, I consider anyone who either has a short timeline of less than 4 years as a trader, and I also consider anyone who builds up his bitcoin holding and then plans to sell all of it later down the road as a trader as well.. Of course, the guy who sells with an expectation of buying back cheaper would be a trader, too... I don't recommend trading, even though a lot of guys do it (or try to do it), and then end up performing way worse than the guy who had focused on ongoing accumulating bitcoin through buying only... And, the results are more clear over longer and longer periods of time, such as over a couple of cycles, it becomes quite difficult that a trader could have had outperformed the investor over a couple of cycles, and even if he did, what is the purpose?  The investor has such great results over a couple of cycles that it seems merely greedy to hope for or to expect greater results than what the investor had been able to achieve over a couple of cycles.

The first whole cycle of building up a bitcoin holding can be amongst the toughest, since as you are building up your bitcoin holdings, you can have extended periods that either your bitcoin is not in very good profits or it might even be in the negative, and there is no guarantee that it is going to recover, yet still we can pick our position size and continue to invest in bitcoin and hopefully learn about bitcoin and likely see that many of us will tend to build our conviction with time and through studying bitcoin the strength of our investment thesis likely will get stronger.... yet we can still invest in accordance with the level of our conviction, and figure out an amount that is comfortable to us, whether that is $100 per week, $10 per week or some other amount that is comfortable for us in light of our conviction, and another advantage of DCA is that it is very adjustable, so that we can figure out a weekly amount that fits both our level of conviction and our financial circumstances (such as how much discretionary income we have).

So even a guy who had invested $100 per week over the past two cycles (let's say from April 11, 2017 until April 11, 2025) , he would have had invested right around $42k and he would have accumulated right around 4 BTC. Surely not a bad place to be, but he would not have had been even close to the guy who already had $42k and who had invested $42k at the beginning of the period, in April 2017.  The guy who lump summed into the investment would have been able to accumulate 34 bitcoin from the same $42k invested.
 Thank you for sharing the link to the DCA strategic calculator. I never knew their was a calculator that could help bringing all these to reality. My explanation seems to fall in line with the DCA and from henceforth, I will take full use of this calculator which I found high comprehensive.


DCA is quite a adaptable for anyone who has discretionary income coming in on a regular basis, whether they are rich or poor, DCA can be customized to your situation.  

Yet anyone can also run across situations where they might receive some extra money, so sometimes it can be helpful to consider lump sum and/or buying on dips as possible ways to supplement your DCA strategy.

Surely one of the advantages of DCA can also be that a person can figure out ways to invest, and also to feel that he is not disrupting his life too much, yet sure the more aggressive your DCA strategy, then the more you might have to have even better cashflow management skills and practices so that you don't end up overdoing it or making mistakes where you spend beyond your discretionary income and you don't have any back up funds.

Historically, there have been some guys who have gone overboard with their investing, even when they have been using some variation of DCA to buy into bitcoin, and they end up being overaggressive and/or not having sufficient back up funds.

Investing in Bitcoin can be highly profitable and I think that was the main reason why we have been seeing big companies and government of different nations creating a strategic reserves on Bitcoin.


Every cycle there end up being ways that people blow up when the market turns.

So, yeah, you are correct that bitcoin can be greatly profitable, and many times we also have to protect ourselves from not getting too greedy and perhaps mostly holding our own keys rather than putting our bitcoin with someone else and they are promising even greater returns.  We have to figure out some balance that works for us.  I think that there are going to be some blow ups with some of those place in which guys are not holding their own keys, even though some might also outperform bitcoin for certain periods of time.

But, yeah those products also create demand on bitcoin and causes the bitcoin price to go up, which can also be a disadvantage to anyone trying to accumulate bitcoin to have to pay higher prices because companies, governments and even status quo rich people are prematurely driving the BTC price up... .. yet at the same time, there is not a whole hell of a lot that normies can do except to try to accumulate bitcoin through his own resources and to hope to not get recked in the process in which there are likely going to continue to be ups and downs in bitcoin.

They knew that if they could acquire large amounts of Bitcoin and holding it for several years, maybe 10 to 20 years, the value would have increased exceeding what the bank can ever afford to give you as interest on keeping your funds with them.

That is true.  Bitcoin is quite likely to outperform cash and other investments.. and realistically we likely should know that cash loses value, even if there might be an interest rate, the cash may well be losing value at a greater rate than the interest rate.  So we have to be careful not to be lulled into nomiinal rates.

I don't know if you recall bitcoin's dip in price in 2022, and at that time, the US Government was increasing its rates on some of its T-blills and offering higher rates like 5% or more... but guys who got lured into those products in 2022 rather than bitcoin, got screwed.. even though surely there can be ways to use some of those products to your advantage, but there can be big mistakes that are made when guys hold too much value in cash and they fail/refuse to establish a sufficient/adequate stake in bitcoin.  We likely realize that the more value we build up, we likely are going to have value in bitcoin and cash and perhaps in other assets too... and even in our earliest of stages of building our bitcoin holdings we need to keep some money in cash since our bills are likely paid through some kind of local fiat. yet a balance need to be reached, and sure maybe sometimes we can build up our cash reserves to be 3-6 months, but it hardly makes any sense if we build up our cash reserves prior to having any bitcoin,

so if we have absolutely no bitcoin or ONLY small amounts of bitcoin then we may well build up our cash reserves and our bitcoin simultaneously, and then maybe once our cash reservers are around 3 months of our expenses, then we might focus more on just building bitcoin, and sure maybe we can still add to some of our cash reserves as our bitcoin investment gets bigger too... yet at the same time bitcoin's value can go up and down so the amount that we put into it can vary quite a bit from how its value might change in terms of going up and down. and sure we can keep track of these matters in terms of where we are keeping our value and how it might be changing in value over time... we can gamify our own monitoring of changes in our wealth and how we may well be ongoingly building our bitcoin investment until we get to a point that we have enough or more than enough.

If I had got that kind of money in my 20s, I wouldn't be broke now either. On the contrary. I would have bought lots of stocks (blue chips), which is what I did with what I had. Later, I would have more to put into bitcoin. I would be a whale now, possibly with a 4-digit stash. How happier would I be than I am now? That's a different question.

Sometimes mistakes are made, and I am not sure if they are more likely to be made when the money flows in too easily.

There are some folks who get rich quickly and they figure out some ways to make sure that they don't overdo it and that they are not making egregious mistakes.

I am sure that there are many of us in bitcoin who we might have had made some mistakes along the way that we regret, and they might have had even been pretty big.. so maybe instead of having 15 bitcoin, we only have 9 bitcoin or maybe we only have 0.63 bitcoin... so we think about how we might have been able to either accumulate more bitcoin or at least to better preserve the quantity of bitcoin that we had accumulated up to that point that we might have had realized our mistake.

So maybe the guy with 9 bitcoin had 15 bitcoin at one time, but he thought that he could do x, y or z, and then he ends up with only 9 BTC and realizing that he can never get back to 15 BTC based on his own financial circumstances.  Of course, the mindrust situation comes to mind for some of us, too.  In early 2020, 10 BTC went from $100k in value to $40k in value .. and if we have around $40k invested into it, we might have had been quite nervous from such a decrease in value.  

Of course, right now 10 BTC has a market value of around $1.13 million and a 200-WMA valuation of $520k, so surely based on the 200-WMA, the 10 BTC could support an income of $52k per year, yet it seems to me that by mid 2026 10 BTC should be able to support a sustainable withdrawal income of $80k per year.. .. so sometimes when mistakes are made it can take a long time to get back there, and it actually might become impossible to get back to the pre-mistake location.

A lot of ups and downs have gone on in bitcoin in the past 5-ish years.. and surely, each of us might have had ONLY so much of an income that we were able to put into bitcoin, so it could be more painful to think about our not having had done than we could have done, rather than we did as much as we could have, even though we might have also made a few mistakes, and we might not have had been able to learn from our mistakes unless they were of a significantly large enough size to shock us into learning.  Sometimes we might make mistakes, but not realize the ramifications and/or impact of the mistake for several years... by the time it is too late to fix the mistake and we can ONLY hopefully learn the right lesson for going forward, and some folks do not even learn the right lesson for going forward.
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I dunno...I came in hard, I will come out in a similar fashion when the time comes (if ever)-20% minimum, no drip-dropping "yearly incomes".
So far, I have been disappointed in financial system organization around bitcoin: ridiculous interest on loans, no income stream (someone should have thought about it in more detail), etc.

Yes, bitcoin was compensating before with a high growth rate ("number go up"), but if the growth rate is going to be 20% as it is YTD, then there are other opportunities like this or better.
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