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 I got a great deal on some single-serving, made-in-Italy, shelf-stable lasagna this week.  I might have to save that for more prosperous times and go back to supplementing my diet with sand.

SAND??

holy cow you are loaded. clean sand. nice uniform crunchy sand. like, i can TASTE the sand.. mmmm

me? i have DIRT and DUST

add im glad i have it!

you guys and your easy life..

You have obviously never tasted my grandmother's dust soup.

This reminded me of a documentary I once watched, about some poor people in some country (can't remember the name) making cookies out of mud (dirt) and adding salt for flavor. They were actually baking them like real cookies and then eating them to kill their hunger. Some ended up killing themselves in the process.

Pretty sad to reach that stage in one's life... But it looks like we've passed the ramen stage and getting there... Cheesy

It’s Haiti and they’re called Mud Cookies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_cookie

I think I saw that same documentary. It was really sad how they were taking advantage of people throughout the entire supply chain. These people spend their days baking and selling mud cookies and then use the profits to buy clean dirt to make better cookies. I’m very glad I wasn’t born there. A life of hustling to reach the top of the mud cookie empire… Actually, now that I type it, it sounds kind of awesome.
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 I got a great deal on some single-serving, made-in-Italy, shelf-stable lasagna this week.  I might have to save that for more prosperous times and go back to supplementing my diet with sand.

SAND??

holy cow you are loaded. clean sand. nice uniform crunchy sand. like, i can TASTE the sand.. mmmm

me? i have DIRT and DUST

add im glad i have it!

you guys and your easy life..

You have obviously never tasted my grandmother's dust soup.

This reminded me of a documentary I once watched, about some poor people in some country (can't remember the name) making cookies out of mud (dirt) and adding salt for flavor. They were actually baking them like real cookies and then eating them to kill their hunger. Some ended up killing themselves in the process.

Pretty sad to reach that stage in one's life... But it looks like we've passed the ramen stage and getting there... Cheesy

It’s Haiti and they’re called Mud Cookies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_cookie

I think I saw that same documentary. It was really sad how they were taking advantage of people throughout the entire supply chain. These people spend their days baking and selling mud cookies and then use the profits to buy clean dirt to make better cookies. I’m very glad I wasn’t born there. A life of hustling to reach the top of the mud cookie empire… Actually, now that I type it, it sounds kind of awesome.

Famine food. So hot right now.
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No no, its more like: doo doo doot doot doot, another bites the dust!

D'oop d'oop d'oop,/ d'oop - D'UP -DOWNNN/
D'oop d'oop d'oop,/ d''oop -D'UP DOWNNN,

Down Down DOWN, d'oop d'UP DOWNnnn/
Down Down DOWN,Down Down DOWN /
d'oop d'UP DOWNnnn

-another one bites the dust!

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Now this doot doot there looks like this doot doot here  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


This reminds me of Michael the Jackson those years we use to dance without caring about the lyrics.

Cool sound with a rhyme beats!
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buddy woke up and we are tapping the 110k level.

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I really don't know if $124k was the top or not. I know that i'm holding out for too long too often, which makes me bad at "timing the market".
Still, i remember LFC is much better in this regard, but in a market situation which is as complex as today, even he could be wrong.
But what i know for sure is that each Satoshi i sell is no longer mine.
#sellwhenyoumust
Every Bitcoin we sell is a mistake in the long term but life comes at us fast. I have enough Bitcoin to fund my life until I die and leave an inheritance to my kid.

That doesn’t mean I want to be a wage slave and struggle by HODLING everything to the grave. Bitcoin is here to free us from misery and improve life. If you can upgrade your life because you bought early, by selling some corn you should do it.

I just can’t reiterate how much this cycle has disappointed me. I just can’t justify selling any more at this price, if I was going to at 109k then I should have done so in January, sickening really how poorly Bitcoin has performed in 2025. You can guarantee though that as soon as stocks have a big correction or we go into a recession, Bitcoin will shit the bed and dump more than everything else.

Maybe the best opportunities are selling more near the top of cycles and buying the blood in bear markets because simply buying, for example today & HODLING, isn’t going to give you any better returns than the stock market for 3-4 years at least.

I really wanted to send you an smerit, since the first part of your post relates to shaving off profits along the way and figuring out ways to have bitcoin to help us to either live our lives without worrying about working as much and/or maybe to be able to provide ourselves and people around us with more comfortable situations (perhaps more options?) - especially when we live in a world in which the robbery from us has become more obvious by the ongoing debasement of the dollar and other dollar-related assets that have been inflated and perverted based on irresponsible dollar-based (and other fiat-based) policies and practices.

You are wrong when you are looking at short-term performance of stocks and/or any other asset and/or commodity - even though sure such numbers can be spun to provide fuel for your ongoing exaggerated whining points.

You seem to get the number go up aspect of bitcoin, but something is missing in your whole way of thinking about matters, and I am not sure where to place it without getting into repetition of prior zoom-out themes.  

Maybe you have certain favorite persons that you follow on Twitter or some other bitcoin related places that cause you to go along with their thinking?  In recent times, I have seen some pretty smart people with similar dumbass posts like you - and it is like they stocked too much mental energy into the inevitability of UP... as if bitcoin is guaranteed.

Sure, I understand that something seems a bit off, like we are getting manipulated by fractional reserves - but that might not even be true.. There might just be too many whiners?  I don't know.

By the way, I heard that "the facts" are that we have been completely flat since January of this year (Trump's inaugeration), which is not even completely true.

We could have had argued that we were completely flat from December 2017 to December 2022, too... which is almost pure bullshit spin, even though argued as "facts."

The arguments that other assets / commodities are outperforming bitcoin are lame as fuck too.  You guys arguing such points should go invest in the various inferior crap that you can identify to have potential (or probability) to outperform bitcoin, whether it is gold, certain stocks or whatever.  Good luck with that, and beforehand I should just wish to you to have fun staying poor.

After the fact we are always going to find various out peformance of certain assets - hindsight is 20/20.. yet bitcoin has been the best place to be, and likely will continue to be the best (or at least be risk-weighted better) place to be.  But hey, your milage may vary and you can fuck off into those other assets.

Don't get me wrong with my strong language, since I am not against diversification, as long as you are not too dumb about it, and you make sure that maintain decently strong allocations to bitcoin, especially if you have gained your high allocation to bitcoin mostly through BTC outperformance of other assets, which is likely the case with an overwhelming majority of guys who had done the vast majority of their investment into bitcoin prior to 2021.

Even a guy who got into bitcoin fairly late in 2020 may well should have had pretty decently strong chances of having an average cost per BTC that is at or below $10k per cornz.. which truly is not a bad place to be right now with holdings that are minimum 10x to 11x up. .right now as I type this post.

Another thing, don't get me wrong about my willingness to devolve into spot price thinking (since those are the prices that we buy and sell our BTC, to the extent that any of us are still buying and selling our BTC very much).. but anyhow, the main way of valuating our holdings is through the 200WMA

Even a guy who got into bitcoin at the top of the 2017 bullrun and mostly attempted to front-load his investment into bitcoin by investing around $100k into bitcoin for 3 years between 2017 and 2020 would likely have had accumulated at least 14 BTC, and truly the guy would be in a good place as long as he continued to hold until today, he might even be in a position to start to sustainably withdraw from his BTC, yet I would argue that the minimum needed for sustainable (meaning perpetual or forever and ever) withdrawal at $80k per year, he would need to have at least 14.6655 BTC right now in order to start such sustainable withdrawal practices at that $80k per year rate.

Early birds who had been fairly aggressively accumulating bitcoin in their earlier years, like you seem to be such a person LFC, should have plenty of cushion to be able to start some kind of a sustainable withdrawal of their BTC and to not really need to worry about the BTC price - even though maybe part of your problem might be that you want to withdrawal at a rate that is beyond your stash size... and even that is not necessarily a problem in bitcoin for guys who have patience (and enough time and health - and you said that you are not even very old) to be able to pace their withdrawal rate to potentially withdraw a lower rates (referring to dollar value) in current times in order to be able to withdraw at higher rates (referring to dollar value) at later points down the road..   We have no other investment better than bitcoin in order to really do the numbers and have some level of confidence that we are not going to get rug pulled down the road.

By the way.  Happy Whitepaper day.


Perhaps slightly more than 20 years ago (in the early 2000s) I recall going to a HongKong style chinese restaurant that was next to where I worked at the time, and I would get duck noodle soup (to go), and I would eat it in my office.  I am pretty sure it was right around $4.99 (or something like that), and I bet it would cost close to $20 for the same thing, if I could find such a place.. but they were those same kind of egg noodles... Of course there's were likely not from a Ramen pack..  The new $5 is $20.
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No no, its more like: doo doo doot doot doot, another bites the dust!

D'oop d'oop d'oop,/ d'oop - D'UP -DOWNNN/
D'oop d'oop d'oop,/ d''oop -D'UP DOWNNN,

Down Down DOWN, d'oop d'UP DOWNnnn/
Down Down DOWN,Down Down DOWN /
d'oop d'UP DOWNnnn

-another one bites the dust!

...

Now this doot doot there looks like this doot doot here  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


This reminds me of Michael the Jackson those years we use to dance without caring about the lyrics.

Cool sound with a rhyme beats!

YeaH!
Billie Jean and Smoothie Criminal are>
 doop'n D'Up doop'n D'Up doop'n D'Up, D'UP doon/
 doop'n D'Up doop'n D'Up doop'n D'Up, D'UP doon...
with back on>
D'UP tse, D'Up tse, D'Up tse,...

-To this day, I have some friends, with beards on their faces, who still do this with their mouths lol...

...i'm waiting for  oct 31, 2025,  00:00:00 UTC,

Now, being at 110000, and with all this volatility, going up and down all this in the week, there is something... I don't know... The price is not going well in the head and it doesn't know if it will fall or rise, but it has been falling more lately...maybe now he will decide to stay in one direction, after having come from 106 and being at 110 now,..
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...and, I know that the average of 50 on the daily that was supposed to be above 114079, is now at 114060....=(
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Today is the 17th anniversary of the Bitcoin legendary whitepaper...!! I saw this on X social media.. Satoshi Nakamoto published the whitepaper on this day in 2008..! And this matter was published in a full page in the (20 minuti) newspaper of Lugano, Switzerland.

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$110k in a bit, we are not giving up... I still believe an ATH is possible this year Lips sealed
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Yes, you can see it as a downward spiral, but there is sufficient upwards movement to compensate for, but the real question is:
For how long?

This is a funny, and even strange assessment of what the BTC price is currently doing.

In essence, you seem to be saying:

"The BTC price is going down, but ONLY while it is ultimately going up."

Real comedic relief in these here parts.

Rate cut - quantitative easing restart - quantitative tightening ending - China U.S trade deal - gold ATH - hash rate ATH - record ETF inflow - low supply - adoption - tech stocks ATH and so on.

Seems like nothing can make Bitcoin pump anymore.
Until it does

Hahahahahaha

This seems to be the real punchline in regards to what is going on.

It is funny how so many guys have been here so long, and they still forget what we got.. some of the real underlying thing that is going on.

Seems like nothing can make Bitcoin pump anymore.
Until it does
Exactly. If even the WO-thread feels desperate, it reminds me of this:
Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own.
The funny part is: I found this on Reddit's crypto board, and it was posted 5 years ago.

Guys surely make mistakes.

Even if we consider ourselves as investors, from time to time, we seem to lapse into trading kinds of ideations.

I doubt that the bet matters too much, and it is seeming that the odds are against LFC.. even though he had some moments of even expressing seemingly exaggerated proclamations that the bet was "easy money" for his lil selfie... hahahahaha

Even now, a mere week or two later, LFC's sentiment has likely changed (perhaps perhaps?  He seems to admit that he gets overly emotional about some of these matters - even though he likely has various underlying presumptions that are less likely to waver), even though perhaps he still feels he has reasonable odds for winning the bet.
So we expect another win for JJG here?

I think members knowledge will increase only after they lose bets with JJG.

It is not over until it is over, and surely I am not even expecting that my odds are close to certain, even though there is some benefit in having 5 months to see if it happens... but yeah, if we go below $85k I will start to think I lost for sure (even though I probably would not pay before then end of the timeline, since even some fairly bad set of circumstances might not completely rule out a new ATH prior to the end of the 1st quarter of 2026. 

Even staying below $95k for any extended period of time, such as more than a couple of weeks, might bring the top for this cycle (and whether it is "in" - in line with LFC's proposition) into question.

so here we are oct 30 and touching 106 and change

seems a lot dec 2024 when we were at 106 and change.

Does not seem the same to me.

But?  What do I know?

In December 2024, we were barely breaking into supra $100k for the first time.

Now, we have spent nearly 6 months straight - completely above $100k.

There is something to be said about Lindy Effect.. and so many guys spout out that they want "stability," yet when we get some semblance of "stability," I hear complaints.

New theory, the cycle is extended and we will see the top of this cycle in Q4 2026. Who's with me?

Take it one quarter at a time.

No need to strive towards Nostradamus wannabe status.  We already have a good number of those, in these here parts.

New theory, the cycle is extended and we will see the top of this cycle in Q4 2026. Who's with me?
I am with you somewhat. It looks to me, like over the last 15 years, the cycles have gone from being mind-bendingly polar to a little bit softer each time.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't go down to $25-30k this time.

I might not be shocked if we ended up going below $80k, which is my current bet offer level, yet I would be shocked if we ere to ever go below $55k. .ever, ever, ever again.

So I don't see how you believe thrown $25k to $30k numbers out there, as if they were even close to realistic in almost any real world (beyond fantasies) scenario.


In fact, I would be a little shocked if we did.  I think there's a better chance we start seeing smaller waves both in their amplitude and in their duration.

Which is the Hopium that I'm snorting right now to help me feel calm in a little pullback...

I will agree that our current correction, so far, is quite "small potatoes."

Our low, so far, has gotten down to $103,530 on October 16th.. which was coincidentally a mere 10 days from our October 6th topi of $126,272 - which I measure to ONLY be an 18% correction  - which is not outrageous in bitcoin's historical times, but it seems to have gotten a lot of panties in a twist this time around, so far.

Then you have the fundamental stuff which for Bitcoin is really its own health as a network and then the environment of the global macroeconomic world.

In those two, we are seeing a whole lot more chaos, honestly.
The narratives this season are pretty crazy.  

You've got the whole Tempest in a teapot / existential crisis in bitcoin.  
You have big leaders all over the earth marching the entire planet into war.  
We are seemingly at the top of a technological renaissance.
The US dollar is dancing naked on a high wire over the Grand Canyon.
Do we have paper bitcoin?
Our institutions actually buying up more than is being produced each day.
We have a finite number of whales who are turning over great hordes.
Some of the narratives out there suggest that maybe the big banks, blackrock etc, are just trying to shake our coins out of us.

I am glad that for the most part somehow I am able to just watch all this from a lounge chair.  Maybe drinking a white Russian.

And as of this moment, Bitcoin is six figures US dollars.
Lol.

We've been through worse FUD.. at least, it seems to this here cat.
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New theory, the cycle is extended and we will see the top of this cycle in Q4 2026. Who's with me?
I am with you somewhat. It looks to me, like over the last 15 years, the cycles have gone from being mind-bendingly polar to a little bit softer each time.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't go down to $25-30k this time.

I might not be shocked if we ended up going below $80k, which is my current bet offer level, yet I would be shocked if we ere to ever go below $55k. .ever, ever, ever again.

So I don't see how you believe thrown $25k to $30k numbers out there, as if they were even close to realistic in almost any real world (beyond fantasies) scenario.

Well to be fair he did throw a double negative in there. Wink
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New theory, the cycle is extended and we will see the top of this cycle in Q4 2026. Who's with me?
I am with you somewhat. It looks to me, like over the last 15 years, the cycles have gone from being mind-bendingly polar to a little bit softer each time.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't go down to $25-30k this time.
I might not be shocked if we ended up going below $80k, which is my current bet offer level, yet I would be shocked if we ere to ever go below $55k. .ever, ever, ever again.

So I don't see how you believe thrown $25k to $30k numbers out there, as if they were even close to realistic in almost any real world (beyond fantasies) scenario.
Well to be fair he did throw a double negative in there. Wink

Yeah.. but cAPSLOCK still chose to use "$25k to $30k" rather than some higher possible BTC prices such as $50k to $60k or some higher price range (that I would consider to still be implausible, yet still more realistic than the price that he chose to use since the price has to go through $50k to $60k (and a lot of other lower numbers) before it even comes close to touching upon $25k to $30k. .. so then from my own perspective, his choice of using such low numbers tells me something about the price range that he chose to use.  Why didn't he use $2k to $4k?
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Today is the 17th anniversary of the Bitcoin legendary whitepaper...!! I saw this on X social media.. Satoshi Nakamoto published the whitepaper on this day in 2008..! And this matter was published in a full page in the (20 minuti) newspaper of Lugano, Switzerland.

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Wow, How fast time has flown by, This little white paper from 17 years ago started the global financial revolution today, it was Bitcoin a peer to peer electronic cash system that gave the entire world/financial world a bull, If Satoshi were alive today he would probably be laughing, Seeing how far Bitcoin has come today, Satoshi is truly a legend
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