Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

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[OutOfMemory]

Newbie Bitcoin spot ETF investor who happens to believe that bitcoin spot ETFs are better than the real bitcoin, and also happens to be a bitcoin price dynamic's expert coming into the space to inform us less knowledgable folks with his pithy lecture that bitcoin is "correlated" to macro.

Who would-a-thunk?

You think that we haven't heard that nonsense previously like more than 10,000 times..  

Quite lying you scumbag asshole! I've never said spot Bitcoin ETFs are better than real bitcoin. You're a worthless piece of shit thug, JJG.  

Why anybody puts up with your stupid comments and the crap you dish out I'll never understand...

A bit rude, but I don't know why he misinterpreted it like this.  You definitely did not say that spot Bitcoin ETFs are better than real Bitcoin, and they aren't no doubt about that.

Oh shit, i fear my ICD-10 score was just smashed by BTCETFinvestor 
I can live with being the second best, however *sighs*

[fillippone]

For everyone interested, PlanB Forum has published an edited list of all their panels and keynotes during the last two-day event.

Plan ₿ Forum

Three Highlights:

• THE FUTURE OF BITCOIN IMPLEMENTATIONS
  The infamous Todd/DashJr Debate about Spam
  
  
  
• BITCOIN AND THE QUANTUM THREAT
  Is Quantum computing a threat to bitcoin? TL:DR; No, but do not dismiss the threat.
  
  
  
• FIAT LUX
  Paolo Ardoino keynote:
  

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[JimboToronto]

Regarding the steak discussion (wagyu etc).

I grew up on a ranch in the northern parts of Sweden. The land was full of moose and my dad liked to hunt, so we had more or less unlimited access to game meat during my childhood.

I guess I'm biased, but to me, nothing beats a medium rare moose steak.

No argument from me on that one. Moose meat is perhaps my favorite beef. It's not gamy like deer meat as long as it's from good young animals properly harvested and it has a rich beefy taste, especially if barded with beef fat..

For years my main supplier was an Anishinaabe who was a sniper. He set up his equipment in a blind on a cliff overlooking where the moose would come to drink just before dusk. He even rappeled down the cliff with a small limbing chainsaw to remove a small tree that was obstructing his view. He shot the moose through the head, preserving as much meat as possible with a single shot for a quick kill. After bleeding, gutting, skinning and quartering the carcass he hauled the quarters in his quad runner to his pickup truck on the highway. From there it went straight to the butchery on his reserve more than 100 miles away and into the refrigerated meat locker. After a week of hanging it was butchered into the traditional beef cuts, wrapped, carefully labeled and deep frozen. My only complaint was that it was wrapped in standard butcher's paper instead of cryovac. It was always tender, flavorful and juicy.

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[BTCETFInvestor]

Well, looky there - Bitcoin (BTC) Price Prediction (made on a previous day) for today was pretty spot on!



Date   Price   Change
November 07, 2025   103746.16   0.83%

Let's see how close to being accurate these daily predictions for the next 30 days may be:

Bitcoin (BTC) Price Prediction For Today, Tomorrow and Next 30 Days

Date   -  Price  -  Change
November 07, 2025   103746.16   0.83%
November 08, 2025   110203.26   7.11%
November 09, 2025   119165.34   15.82%
November 10, 2025   125910.64   22.37%
November 11, 2025   124015.33   20.53%
November 12, 2025   119832.01   16.47%
November 13, 2025   120490.94   17.11%
November 14, 2025   122657.93   19.21%
November 15, 2025   122729.43   19.28%
November 16, 2025   121627.20   18.21%
November 17, 2025   120523.73   17.14%
November 18, 2025   120380.52   17%
November 19, 2025   115880.31   12.62%
November 20, 2025   113151.84   9.97%
November 21, 2025   111959.57   8.81%
November 22, 2025   109257.45   6.19%
November 23, 2025   109459.07   6.38%
November 24, 2025   110275.21   7.18%
November 25, 2025   111536.12   8.4%
November 26, 2025   111560.85   8.43%
November 27, 2025   110042.88   6.95%
November 28, 2025   108502.72   5.45%
November 29, 2025   107613.20   4.59%
November 30, 2025   107026.54   4.02%
December 01, 2025   107502.01   4.48%
December 02, 2025   108902.51   5.84%
December 03, 2025   109886.85   6.8%
December 04, 2025   110865.49   7.75%
December 05, 2025   111028.38   7.91%
December 06, 2025   109678.50   6.6%

Reference: https://changelly.com/blog/bitcoin-price-prediction/
 

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[BTCETFInvestor]

If you wonder if spot Bitcoin ETFs are important for Bitcoin, consider what propelled the price of BTC up - Spot BTC ETFs had $240M inflows!

Yes.. in some sense they are a necessary evil.

They cannot be stopped.

Bitcoin is for friends and enemies.

Shitcoiners also have these arguments about bitcoin needs shitcoins otherwise bitcoin would be nothing.

Even if bitcoin spot ETFs have been pumping bitcoin (even prior to their January 10, 2024 going live), they are a derivative product.

Keep your eye on the prize.. which happens to be bitcoin and the bitcoin gives the spot BTC ETFs value even if insiders in regards to Bitcoin spot ETFs have been pumping bitcoin since about October 2023 (when blackrock and buddies filed for their being approved right after GBTC having had won the law suite against the SEC).. Yes.. Bitcoin spot ETFs do not live in a vacuum.. there is a history... related to their getting involved..  Many guys here are not ignorant to many of those facts, even though guys will also differ in their assessment of importance or lack of importance of such ongoing financialization that cannot be stopped..

Financialization of bitcoin is just one of the current ongoing factors (and network effects - discussed by Trace Mayer in 2014/2015),  even some guys do not seem to understand the value of owning actual bitcoin rather than pumping bitcoin spo ETFs as if they were the same thing... The pumping of Bitcoin Spot ETFs is likely an attack on self-sovereignty aspects of bitcoin, even though nothing can really be done about the ongoing growth and popularity of such inferior bitcoin derivative products seeming to want to fool people into ideas that they are better than owning real bitcoin.

Newbie Bitcoin spot ETF investor who happens to believe that bitcoin spot ETFs are better than the real bitcoin, and also happens to be a bitcoin price dynamic's expert coming into the space to inform us less knowledgable folks with his pithy lecture that bitcoin is "correlated" to macro.

Who would-a-thunk?

You think that we haven't heard that nonsense previously like more than 10,000 times..  

Quit lying you scumbag asshole! I've never said spot Bitcoin ETFs are better than real bitcoin. You're a worthless piece of shit thug, JJG.  
Why anybody puts up with your stupid comments and the crap you dish out I'll never understand...

You are ongoingly trying to pump bitcoin spot ETFs... so yeah... that is problematic... and perhaps shows you don't quite understand what is bitcoin, even though you have been providing some links to bitcoin related information in recent times.

You might also not know the difference between a derivative product and the real thing.  Sure there are advantages and disadvantages to each, yet they should not be confused and/or convoluted, so hopefully you can figure out those kinds of nuances.. and perhaps even some day start to love king daddy rather than trying to convolute what it is and/or trying to present bitcoin spot ETFs as if they were some kind of a savior to bitcoin when their role in connection with bitcoin is not exactly full of benevolence and/or lacking in trade offs....even though sure, there is some aspects in which the bags of bitcoin holders are being pumped by the later arrivals to bitcoin (and through various bitcoin derivative products that are currently being offered).

JJG - You just keep lying - don't you? You fucking asshole. I cannot imagine having to work with you, being a relative or neighbor, or dealing with you in any way, shape or form. You are a worthless piece of shit in my view. Hoping karma knocks your teeth out and shits down your throat. Fuck you asshole!  

To be clear, when/if I do post anything about spot Bitcoin ETFs it is purely for the positive information pertaining to Bitcoin, not for ETFs or 'as a savior to bitcoin' as you so stupidly claim... You truly are a complete asshole and scumbag jerk.

JJG - I don't know why the nice and considerate good people here put up with your shit...  

[vapourminer]

JJG - I don't know why the nice and considerate good people here put up with your shit...

because he has manners

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[BTCETFInvestor]

JJG - I don't know why the nice and considerate good people here put up with your shit...

because he has manners

Yeah, JJG has a combination of STUPIDITY and BAD MANNERS!

[AlcoHoDL]

Feeling a bit down today. Not because of the price, just generally. A bit tired to go out tonight (too much exercise yesterday, body aching). So I thought of crunching some more numbers. Latest Bitstamp day historical data, starting from 17 December 2017 (the dramatic post-fork ATH) up until 7 November 2025 (yesterday). I plotted the spot price throughout that period (almost 8 years), and marked all ATHs with orange circles, and an orange line showing how long each ATH lasted. I then plotted the difference between the spot price and the ATH preceding it (bottom, red graph). This shows the inter-ATH dips that have occurred throughout the 8-year period.



Now, the question is: will there be another BIG and LONG dip starting in 2026, like the one shown in the red graph, which starts in 2022 and ends in mid-2024? The years fit (2022 + 4 = 2026). If this happens, then LFC_Bitcoin is right and we'll soon be entering into another BIG and LONG dip, which could last until mid-2028, after the next halving. History often repeats itself, but Bitcoin is so predictably unpredictable that anything can happen. Also, in 2022-2024 we still had the COVID situation, and the Israel attacks, and other political events. Whatever happens, I'll be HoDLing for sure. Not planning on selling big chunks as long as my fiat sources cover my expenses. And I still hope Jay wins the bet and we'll see $150k in 2026.

Just some thoughts...

[OgNasty]

What's up WO,

I've been away for a quite while, spending the last couple of months at our new vacation home.

I'm trying to catch up a bit. I'm not going to read everything I've missed, but reading the posts from the past week, there's a lot of doom and gloom sentiment here.

For crying out loud, we are still above 100k. If anyone told me during the 2022-2023 bear market that we would complain about current prices, I'd just laugh.

100k to me mind blowing, yet I believe we will look back at these prices a few years from now as a total steal.

Well, the time to get gloomy is when we're at the top.  Lots of people here will be gloomy around $60K, but at that point it will be too late to actually do anything about it.  If you aren't planning to sell for years it doesn't really matter what the price is.  However, for those who have been waiting years to take some profits, don't end up bagholding for another 4 years.  Everybody needs their own vacation homes.

[xhomerx10]

JJG - I don't know why the nice and considerate good people here put up with your shit...

because he has manners

Yeah, JJG has a combination of STUPIDITY and BAD MANNERS!

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  I don't think you get it yet.  We love JJG.  Blasting obscenities in here constantly at him wont change that (or him) but it will get you on many ignore lists.