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@BitHodlers - Reynolds Tobacco Company, located in Winston-Salem, NC (makers of Winston & Salem brand cigarettes!) used to hire college students (mostly girls) to hand out free packs of their cigarettes to people walking by on the sidewalk in front of their skyscraper building (image below). Anything necessary hook more people on nicotine to sell more cigarettes!




And to the right you can see what used to be called the Wachovia building. Modern semi brutalist. Bleah. The RJR building is much more interesting. And to the left is s great little basement bar where I played one upon a time.  Or used to be.

@cAPSLOCK - Cool! You are spot on! You clearly know the area at the corner of Main at 4th Streets. Did you live there? I had strong connections with Wachovia Bank and the W-S area.  What was the name of the basement bar?
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Nicotine "hijacks" the body's system (nicotinic acetylcholine receptors) that signals, among other things, a "reward" via dopamine release.
I never smoked...but two of my children smoke...I guess i could not teach them to stay away.

One day a long time ago, when I was a young teenager, my dad (a heavy smoker) sat me down to have one of his "wisdom chats", as I used to call them, that time it was about smoking. He said "son, you want to smoke, do it, I won't stop you. But I want to show you what you put inside your body when you smoke." He then drew a deep puff on his cigarette (a red Marlboro), took a white napkin and exhaled on it. The napkin turned black / dark mustard color. I was disgusted. I never even thought of starting smoking ever since.

He died of lung cancer in his early 70s. It was a quick death, the cancer had metastasized all over his entire body, only took a couple of months from the diagnosis, and he was gone.

so sorry to hear it...my dad smoked until 65, then he had pneumonia and the doc told him..the next one and you will be done..he quit until about 75-76, then started smoking again, but very little...passed at 80 from a heart attack while having a pneumonia..so in the end tobacco got him, imho, but if he didn't stop at 65, it would have happened years earlier, for sure.

Sorry to hear it too... When my dad passed away, a friend who didn't know the cause of death offered me a cigarette "to ease the pain"... I don't know why people smoke, maybe it's the nicotine, the habit, something in their lives. To me it seems so absurd... But then again, so are some of the things I do, so... I guess... Everyone has their own demons...
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@BitHodlers - Reynolds Tobacco Company, located in Winston-Salem, NC (makers of Winston & Salem brand cigarettes!) used to hire college students (mostly girls) to hand out free packs of their cigarettes to people walking by on the sidewalk in front of their skyscraper building (image below). Anything necessary hook more people on nicotine to sell more cigarettes!




And to the right you can see what used to be called the Wachovia building. Modern semi brutalist. Bleah. The RJR building is much more interesting. And to the left is s great little basement bar where I played one upon a time.  Or used to be.


@cAPSLOCK - Cool! You are spot on! You clearly know the area at the corner of Main at 4th Streets. Did you live there? I had strong connections with Wachovia Bank and the W-S area.  What was the name of the basement bar?

Nope, but I'm super familiar with the area.
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It is still tough for the guy in the video if there isn't any profits within the kind of work that he is doing, yet I suppose if the guy is barely breaking even with his work or even losing money, he is still buying bitcoin with the money that he is putting into his Gig economy work, and so that money is coming from somewhere else.. It would not work if he does not have another profitable job.

I suppose that the word is getting out more and more and more about bitcoin being the place to store your value (or save your value), but you still have to have income beyond income to cover your expenses (aka discretionary income is needed), yet it seems to me that many times guys who have such low incomes are going to have to at least get through a whole cycle of stacking and holding bitcoin before the stacking of bitcoin that they had ended up doing might have some meaningful positive financial impact on their lives.

There are so many folks who are not able to hold through a doubling or two of the BTC price, so then even if they are profitable in their bitcoin holdings, the level of their profits ends up being quite a lot less than what it could have had been because they end up selling way too much too soon and they do not even end up benefitting from the compounding value of bitcoin when profits fold upon profits (that is going through a few doublings of the price).

We even have guys in this thread who seem to be proclaiming that they are profiting from their involvement in bitcoin (and I am not denying that they profit), yet their level of profits tends to be way less than it could have had been based on their ongoingly cashing out profits at relatively small levels, so they are continuously taking profits and perhaps getting various gains along the way, yet they never really end up getting the benefits of the compounding of bitcoin's value which tends to take time to play out (perhaps over a couple of cycles).. which many times, I am thinking that ongoing stacking of dee cornz over a whole cycle or more, and perhaps even holding a couple of cycles before starting to use some of the built up value would likely put those lower income bitcoin accumulators in a much better place rather than their not even being able to build and hold through a whole cycle.

For sure, it is tough out there  and a lot of jobs are low paying, and it continues to be difficult to really keep building bitcoin for a cycle or two and then to be more clearly getting the profits from it.

There is likely even a matter of amount that a guy is able to put into bitcoin on a regular basis, and surely there is a difference between being able to put in $100 per week and $10 per week and even a few hundred per week.

Remember the guy we talked about (was it yesterday?) who had around $30 per day ($210 per week), and yeah those are decent amounts of ongoing investment, yet he still had slightly less than 6 BTC after 2 whole cycles of stacking dee cornz, which even though he was consistent in his stacking dee cornz on a daily basis, his amount was still a bit on the smaller side, even though surely we know that stacking $200 or more per week is not easy for a lot of normies to accomplish.. and surely these days anyone wanting to get to a point of accumulating a whole bitcoin in a couple of cycles, they are likely going to need to get close to being able to invest $500 or more per week.. so it is becoming quite difficult for any normie to get to a whole bitcoin, even if stacking $500 per week for two whole cycles.

Think about it.  $500 per week invested into bitcoin would be about $26k per year and $260k in 10 years.  

I am having troubles imagining the average cost per BTC to be anywhere close to $260k over the next 10 years.  Sure.  It is not impossible, but surely not anything very realistic to be considering that the cost per BTC (on average) would end up being anywhere less than $260k over the next 10-ish years.  Some guys think so, yet I have my doubts.

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Sorry to hear it too... When my dad passed away, a friend who didn't know the cause of death offered me a cigarette "to ease the pain"... I don't know why people smoke, maybe it's the nicotine, the habit, something in their lives. To me it seems so absurd... But then again, so are some of the things I do, so... I guess... Everyone has their own demons...

Surely vaping is the big thing these days, and there is likely quite bit of lacking in disclosures in regards to what is inside of a lot of the vaping inserts.  There was some issues in which the governments had screwed up being able to regulate them due to the way they went about it, and so now vaping is the wild, wild west of products that folks put into their bodies.  

I cannot imagine that vaping is not addictive, yet we likely do not know the exact ingredients of a lot of the products that are out their and being inhaled by normies - and surely people consider it cool to vape, and maybe even to smells better than cigarrettes.. with some built-in bonus "side effects" too.
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Surely vaping is the big thing these days, and there is likely quite bit of lacking in disclosures in regards to what is inside of a lot of the vaping inserts.  There was some issues in which the governments had screwed up being able to regulate them due to the way they went about it, and so now vaping is the wild, wild west of products that folks put into their bodies.  

I cannot imagine that vaping is not addictive, yet we likely do not know the exact ingredients of a lot of the products that are out their and being inhaled by normies - and surely people consider it cool to vape, and maybe even to smells better than cigarrettes.. with some built-in bonus "side effects" too.
How true this is for food, cosmetics and other things if people knew they may be scared to live in a modern society. Don't get me wrong, you are correct about this but it is nothing special to do with vapes. There is a lot of dangerous stuff in most things that we consume but it is often hidden from the ingredients or put in a generic term that does not tell us anything. But as with food, so with vape there are more reputable producers that put only what is really necessary.

This is actually a big problem that we have, but it is deeply rooted into the capitalist system. Create more, consume more and so they let all kinds of things get released. Instead of needing proof that it is safe for consumption, all you really need is an absence of proof that it is unsafe. Which often times ends up being unsafe, just nobody did the proper studies yet.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/12/roundup-study-retracted-journal-toxicology-pharmacology-human-cancer-risk-trump-epa-monsanto-bayer/
People forget fast.. As long as there is no direct proof they let it continue be used but often proving is not so easy.
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I cannot imagine that vaping is not addictive, yet we likely do not know the exact ingredients of a lot of the products that are out their and being inhaled by normies - and surely people consider it cool to vape, and maybe even to smells better than cigarrettes.. with some built-in bonus "side effects" too.

i switched from real cigs to vaping to ostentatiously help "quit" cigs and guess what.. i liked vaping the high end juice in sub ohm cloud machine vapes, loved it, and i got to the point of adding more and more nicotine to my juice manually. and i loved the taste and hit, so i wound up with waaaay more nicotine intake on a daily basis, just less soot i guess.

like thats quiting?? lol

so i stopped cold turkey. had a lot of nice vape stuff i tossed out.
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1972 to 1991 various things.

no desire for them anymore.

if you need a boost coke does give it but a small amount of meth and steady coffee will allow you to drive from NYC to Miami with just piss breaks.

of the non legal drugs my worst experiences where with angel dust. stopped it after two or three tries. got really sick.

vomit vomit vomit.

i spent hours at a park drinking from a fountain and puking. as did a friend of mine.

we never did the drug again

Damn, you guys have a history I'm thankfully unfamiliar with - having never once even thought about wanting to try any kind of recreational drug. I was too much of a strait-laced academic and definitely career-oriented.

I wouldn't even know where to get it, I didn't hang out with any friends that used drugs - and I certainly didn't want to disappoint my family or ruin my future by having a record for substance abuse or doing something stupid while under the influence. That mindset has served me well and I don't regret it...    

Do you ever drink?

@cAPSLOCK - This one is for you!  

I had dinner with a law partner near SMU in Dallas this evening and I thought about you when I looked at the menu and saw the selection of drinks, and decided to have a margarita with my Caesar salad and grilled chicken. The last drink I had previous to tonight was 3 months ago celebrating my wedding anniversary at Ruth's Chris restaurant.

With 2025 about to end I think I've this drink was my third drink this year... 

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@BitHodlers - Reynolds Tobacco Company, located in Winston-Salem, NC (makers of Winston & Salem brand cigarettes!) used to hire college students (mostly girls) to hand out free packs of their cigarettes to people walking by on the sidewalk in front of their skyscraper building (image below). Anything necessary to hook more people on nicotine to sell more cigarettes!




And to the right you can see what used to be called the Wachovia building. Modern semi brutalist. Bleah. The RJR building is much more interesting. And to the left is s great little basement bar where I played one upon a time.  Or used to be.


@cAPSLOCK - Cool! You are spot on! You clearly know the area at the corner of Main at 4th Streets. Did you live there? I had strong connections with Wachovia Bank & Trust's headquarters and the W-S area.  What was the name of the basement bar?

Nope, but I'm super familiar with the area.


@cAPSLOCK - Since you're super familiar with the W-S area then you'll know where New Sherwood Forest neighborhood is off Peace Haven Road where I once lived. I hung around mainly the west side of the city - Country Club-Buena Vista-Robin Hood area and near WFU. I played a lot golf at Tanglewood and the many surrounding courses.

If you remember the picture of my Ham radio equipment and antenna tower - that was in the town of Lewisville down Hwy 421 just west of W-S some years ago.  

The only bar near the Reynolds Tobacco headquarters building I can think of was Katharine's I think it was called. Is that where you once played?  
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A theoretical question...what bitcoin would do if stock market would have another lost decade from here (2026-2036)?

The last time it happened in US was from 2000 to 2012 (with a tiny bump slightly above in 2007).
In 2000 CAPE was very high (44-45). We are currently at 40.76 (the second highest value):
https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

I found an interesting video that suggests that overall stock returns would be poor in US in the next 1,3,5 and 10 years (I am linking exactly at the time they show the table, so just screenshot it for a reference):

https://youtu.be/yM2crV_APho?t=1

Interestingly, during that prior period (2000-20011/12), gold and Monster (MNST) performed spectacularly, so, maybe bitcoin would be like these two in the next 10-12 years?

This would be nice.
 
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@nutildah - Yeah, I get it alright but he said he was super familiar with the Winston-Salem, NC area and once upon a time played in a local bar there so I think it was fair to ask if he ever lived there.

Hell, I lived there years ago myself! I don't mind sharing that... It's no big deal - it's a big place with over 700k population in the metro area...
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