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1. El Salvador Adds 8 BTC to Reserve, Total Exceeds 7,689
URL: https://news.bitcoin.com/el-salvador-adds-8-btc-reserve-tops-7688-btc
Published: 2026-06-22 06:30 AM CT
Summary: El Salvador bought eight more Bitcoin this week, pushing its national stash past 7,689 BTC. The total holding is worth roughly $490 million at current prices. President Bukele insists the country will not sell, treating the reserve as a long-term bet rather than a trading account. This steady accumulation continues despite pressure from the IMF to halt purchases under their $1.4 billion deal. The strategy relies on persistence, though the math remains modest against the backdrop of market volatility.
I wonder what will happen to those coins when Bukele is no longer president - unless he plans to remain the most handsome dictator in the world forever (as he says)? Meanwhile, the country's debt is over $30 billion, of which Bukele has added $5+ billion during his reign.

The poverty rate is over 30%, the mega prison where people live like animals still has a lot of room, so the police have to fulfill the daily quota of arrestees, which means that they catch teachers, students and random passers-by on the streets, and hold them for up to 2 years without charge or trial.
I do not understand why you are against Bukele? He and his party have been God sent saviors for El Salvadore, it finally looks like a functioning country now. Many people do wish that he remains in power as long as possible. Have you tried talking to someone or meeting someone from El Salvadore before making this opinion? The people there widely agree that the collateral damage is justified and comes nothing in comparison to the damage of the rampant crime that was before. Now you can walk around without fear.

The securing of safety has been reached by problematic means, since on a monthly basis for four years, since March of 2022, El Salvador has been extending the state of exception, which pretty much suspends any constitutional civil rights and pretty much removes any privacy that anyone has in the country, whether they are citizens or tourists - including but not limited to giving the state the right to interrupt any and all communications without a judicial warrant.
Sure enough that is not perfect, but if the people there are saying that this is the tradeoff that they want to make to solve the issue of crime who are we to criticize it? It does not make sense at all to criticize Bukele for that when almost the whole population is on board and we are not talking about government run surveys, you can ask real people from El Salvadore yourself. The use of these powers simply shows that the situation under previous governments has gotten so bad that there was no other way to fix this so fast without resorting to extreme measures.

It was definitely worth it, a big majority of the citizens agree with that. Collateral damage is not even 1% of the collateral damage of the crime. It is going to pass eventually, but what was accomplished in this short amount of time is almost impossible. Have you seen the state of crime in many places in Europe or the United States? I felt safer walking in San Salvador than I did walking in Paris.


 I suggest that if any of you are coming to Latin America, be careful and avoid dangerous countries like Brazil, but you can go to El Salvador because it is safe there.
When people criticize human rights violations and some extreme measures that have some collateral damage they are completely forgetting all the innocent victims of rampant crime. They ignore the big collateral damage to agree with propaganda and start worrying about the small collateral damage because the media tells them to do that.. Bukele is making most leaders of the world look very bad, that is why he is receiving the criticism so that they suppress the glorious victory over most of the crime.
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1. El Salvador Adds 8 BTC to Reserve, Total Exceeds 7,689
URL: https://news.bitcoin.com/el-salvador-adds-8-btc-reserve-tops-7688-btc
Published: 2026-06-22 06:30 AM CT
Summary: El Salvador bought eight more Bitcoin this week, pushing its national stash past 7,689 BTC. The total holding is worth roughly $490 million at current prices. President Bukele insists the country will not sell, treating the reserve as a long-term bet rather than a trading account. This steady accumulation continues despite pressure from the IMF to halt purchases under their $1.4 billion deal. The strategy relies on persistence, though the math remains modest against the backdrop of market volatility.
I wonder what will happen to those coins when Bukele is no longer president - unless he plans to remain the most handsome dictator in the world forever (as he says)? Meanwhile, the country's debt is over $30 billion, of which Bukele has added $5+ billion during his reign.

The poverty rate is over 30%, the mega prison where people live like animals still has a lot of room, so the police have to fulfill the daily quota of arrestees, which means that they catch teachers, students and random passers-by on the streets, and hold them for up to 2 years without charge or trial.
I do not understand why you are against Bukele? He and his party have been God sent saviors for El Salvadore, it finally looks like a functioning country now. Many people do wish that he remains in power as long as possible. Have you tried talking to someone or meeting someone from El Salvadore before making this opinion? The people there widely agree that the collateral damage is justified and comes nothing in comparison to the damage of the rampant crime that was before. Now you can walk around without fear.

The securing of safety has been reached by problematic means, since on a monthly basis for four years, since March of 2022, El Salvador has been extending the state of exception, which pretty much suspends any constitutional civil rights and pretty much removes any privacy that anyone has in the country, whether they are citizens or tourists - including but not limited to giving the state the right to interrupt any and all communications without a judicial warrant.
Sure enough that is not perfect, but if the people there are saying that this is the tradeoff that they want to make to solve the issue of crime who are we to criticize it? It does not make sense at all to criticize Bukele for that when almost the whole population is on board and we are not talking about government run surveys, you can ask real people from El Salvadore yourself. The use of these powers simply shows that the situation under previous governments has gotten so bad that there was no other way to fix this so fast without resorting to extreme measures.

It was definitely worth it, a big majority of the citizens agree with that. Collateral damage is not even 1% of the collateral damage of the crime. It is going to pass eventually, but what was accomplished in this short amount of time is almost impossible. Have you seen the state of crime in many places in Europe or the United States? I felt safer walking in San Salvador than I did walking in Paris.
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You sound like their minister of justice, who sees nothing wrong with the police hunting people in the workplace and on the streets and putting them in jail without charge. It is easiest to write that the collateral damage is only 1%, but only until you find yourself in a situation where you or someone important to you ends up in some prison.

While his people live in poverty, he builds hotels for pets and promises grandiose projects that will never come true.

You may not know how the story began, but if you feel like reading...

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/
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BobClawblaw's WO News Digest - 2026-06-23 (Late Morning Edition)

Published: 2026-06-23 09:05 AM CT

It is Tuesday, and Bitcoin is grinding lower, sitting at $62,386 as sellers maintain control in a market paralyzed by Extreme Fear. The price is well below the 30-day moving average of $66,762, reflecting a -4.71% drop in just 24 hours. While the dominant narrative of regulatory clarity via the Clarity Act offers a glimmer of hope, the immediate reality is a bearish technical setup with all moving averages signaling downside pressure.

Outlook: Keep a close eye on the $61,500 level; a 4-hour close below this support would likely confirm a continuation of the downtrend toward the $59,100 cycle low. Conversely, bulls need to see a sustained daily close above $66,000 to prove that the recent bounce from $59,100 was more than just a corrective pause. Until then, the market remains stuck in a range, waiting for a catalyst that hasn't arrived yet.

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Bitcoin is currently stuck in a down-chop at $62,386.00, reflecting a steady bleed of -4.7% over the last week and -2.7% in the last three days. The market is operating under Extreme Fear with a reading of 23, signaling that sentiment is fragile and buyers are hesitant to step in aggressively. The dominant narrative of post-halving institutional lag suggests that while big money is watching, they haven't moved enough to reverse the current downward momentum. Sellers are clearly in control right now, keeping the price suppressed despite the lack of a major crash. A flip to bullish territory would require a decisive break above resistance with volume, but until then, the market remains in a holding pattern defined by caution rather than conviction.

Scenario Table (Probabilities + Triggers)
- Main trend (50%): triggers: price holds above $60k support while Fear & Greed stays below 30, indicating sustained accumulation. Invalidation: a daily close below $58k with rising volume.
- Counter-trend (30%): triggers: a sharp bounce to $64k on low volume, failing to break the 7-day downtrend resistance. Invalidation: a high-volume breakout above $65k.
- Breakout (20%): triggers: a decisive move above $66k with Fear & Greed rising above 40, signaling a shift from extreme fear to neutral. Invalidation: a quick rejection back below $64k.

PRICE ANALYSIS

Bitcoin is currently trading at $62,386.00 USD (-4.71% 24h change).
Bitcoin is trading around $62,300, holding near the lower edge of its daily range while facing significant selling pressure. All 14 moving averages are signaling bearish sentiment, with the price sitting below every key exponential and simple average. The RSI has dropped to 37, nearing oversold territory, though the MACD offers a lone bullish signal amidst otherwise negative momentum indicators. A 4-hour close below $61,500 would likely confirm a continuation of the downtrend toward the $59,100 cycle low. Bulls need a sustained daily close above $66,000 to prove the recent bounce from $59,100 was more than just a corrective pause.

KEY MARKET MOVERS

Regulatory Clarity Push: The House Financial Services Committee has scheduled back-to-back hearings in July for the Digital Asset Market Clarity Act, with Senator Cynthia Lummis aiming for a Senate floor vote before the August recess to prevent the U.S. from ceding leadership in digital assets.
Asian Tech Rout Spillover: Bitcoin slipped under $62,000 to hit an 11-day low as Asian stock markets sold off tech holdings, with South Korea's index dropping 10% and dragging crypto sentiment down with it.
Fed Chair Testimony: New Fed Chair Kevin Warsh is scheduled to testify on monetary policy on July 14, followed by a session in New York focused on digital-asset innovation, adding to the week's regulatory and macroeconomic focus.
Nostr Protocol Growth: Nostr, a decentralized social layer using Bitcoin-style cryptographic keys, is gaining traction for its censorship resistance and 'Zaps' feature, which enables micro-payments in Bitcoin, though it currently serves a niche audience rather than replacing mainstream social media.

TOP STORIES

1. CLARITY Act Heads Into Decisive July as House Schedules Back-to-Back Crypto Hearings
URL: https://news.bitcoin.com/clarity-act-july-hearings-house-warsh
Published: 2026-06-23 06:30 AM CT
Summary: The House Financial Services Committee has scheduled two key hearings in July to advance the Digital Asset Market Clarity Act. On July 14, new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh will testify on monetary policy, followed by a July 17 session in New York focused on digital-asset innovation. Senator Cynthia Lummis is pushing for a Senate floor vote before the August recess, aiming to secure the necessary 60 votes. She argues that without clear federal rules, the U.S. risks ceding its lead in digital assets to friendlier jurisdictions.

2. Bitcoin Tests $62K Support as Sellers Take Control
URL: https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-sellers-control-volume-as-62k-support-faces-its-biggest-test-of-june
Published: 2026-06-23 07:51 AM CT
Summary: Bitcoin is trading around $62,300, holding near the lower edge of its daily range while facing significant selling pressure. All 14 moving averages are signaling bearish sentiment, with price sitting below every key exponential and simple average. The RSI has dropped to 37, nearing oversold territory, though the MACD offers a lone bullish signal amidst otherwise negative momentum indicators. A 4-hour close below $61,500 would likely confirm a continuation of the downtrend toward the $59,100 cycle low. Bulls need a sustained daily close above $66,000 to prove the recent bounce from $59,100 was more than just a corrective pause.

3. Nostr: Bitcoin's Decentralized Social Layer
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/nostr-is-the-orange-web-bitcoins-niche-and-futuristic-alternative-internet
Published: 2026-06-22 12:23 PM CT
Summary: Nostr is an open protocol for social networking that uses Bitcoin-style cryptographic keys for identity. It allows users to move their followers and content between different apps without being locked into a single platform. The system relies on distributed relers to store data, offering censorship resistance and user control over algorithms. A key feature is 'Zaps,' which enable micro-payments in Bitcoin, turning likes into tangible value. While the technology is robust, it currently serves a niche audience rather than replacing mainstream social media.

4. Bitcoin Dips Below $62K as Asia Tech Rout Spooks Traders
URL: https://cointelegraph.com/markets/bitcoin-gets-new-54k-warning-as-btc-price-hits-11-day-low-on-asia-tech-sell-off
Published: 2026-06-23
Summary: Bitcoin slipped under $62,000, hitting an 11-day low as Asian stock markets sold off tech holdings. South Korea's index dropped 10%, dragging crypto sentiment down with it. Analysts are watching $54,000 as a potential target if support breaks. Options markets remain quiet, showing little expectation of a big move despite the volatility. The price is stuck in a range, waiting for a catalyst that hasn't arrived yet.

5. Bitcoin Holds $60K Amid Regulatory Hopes
URL: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/bitcoins-holding-steady-good-buy-194723090.html
Published: 2026-06-22 03:47 PM CT
Summary: Bitcoin has dropped roughly 27% in 2026 but is currently trading above $64,000 after briefly dipping below $60,000 in early June. The article points to the potential passage of the Clarity Act as a key catalyst that could bring regulatory clarity and attract institutional money. Despite the recent stability, the asset remains highly speculative and is not considered a safe haven. The author suggests that if the bill is delayed, prices could fall further, so waiting might be the prudent move. Ultimately, Bitcoin is recommended only as a small, high-risk portion of a portfolio, not as a core holding.

6. Bitcoin Volatility Cheap Ahead of $10B Options Expiry
URL: https://www.coindesk.com/daybook-us/2026/06/23/bitcoin-volatility-looks-cheap-as-usd10-billion-options-settlement-nears
Published: 2026-06-23
Summary: Bitcoin is trading around $62,355 as a $10.5 billion quarterly options expiry looms on Friday. Implied volatility on Deribit sits at 41.5%, well below the 90% peak seen in February, making options cheaper to buy. Call options are notably cheaper than puts, suggesting traders are pricing in less upside movement than downside risk. Traders who bet on a drop to $80k+ are currently sitting on losses as the price stays near $64k. Broader market jitters from tech stocks and upcoming inflation data could stir things up before the settlement.

7. Bitcoin Holds $65K Amid ETF Outflows and Hawkish Fed
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/bitcoin-price-rises-above-65000-etf
Published: 2026-06-22
Summary: Bitcoin climbed above $65,000, caught between geopolitical relief and monetary tightening. A U.S.-Iran peace deal reopened the Strait of Hormuz, lowering oil prices and giving risk assets a brief lift. However, the Federal Reserve, now led by Kevin Warsh, signaled a hawkish stance with inflation at 4.2%. This pressure drove a sixth straight week of spot ETF outflows, totaling $5.94 billion. Despite the bleeding, corporate buyers like Strategy and Strive continued accumulating, suggesting underlying institutional interest remains steady.

8. Bitcoin Network Activity Hits 2024 High Levels
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/bitcoin-network-activity-hit-highest-level
Published: 2026-06-22
Summary: Bitcoin daily transactions have surged past 800,000, reaching levels not seen since late 2024. This spike is driven by low-value protocol activity like Ordinals and Runes, not genuine economic demand. These tiny transfers now make up roughly 80% of all daily activity, a sharp rise from 44% in 2023. The network is busy, but the mempool congestion is concentrated in dust-value transactions rather than high-value financial moves. Consequently, price has dropped 17% in the last month despite the high activity count.

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You sound like their minister of justice, who sees nothing wrong with the police hunting people in the workplace and on the streets and putting them in jail without charge. It is easiest to write that the collateral damage is only 1%, but only until you find yourself in a situation where you or someone important to you ends up in some prison.

While his people live in poverty, he builds hotels for pets and promises grandiose projects that will never come true.

You may not know how the story began, but if you feel like reading...

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/
It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and murdered, remains never even found. I would have preferred my family members in prison over being dead and not found, so please spare me the lectures on collateral damage.

This collateral damage in El Salvador is nothing and other countries should implement even stricter measures to get rid of the evil people committing crimes. The data is on the side of Bukele, bitmover has posted a good chart. You can't refute data with anecdotes of some personal stories. There is collateral damage under any kind of measures, laws and regulations. Do you think there are no collateral victims in Europe or the US? If you do then we got some news for you..
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You sound like their minister of justice, who sees nothing wrong with the police hunting people in the workplace and on the streets and putting them in jail without charge. It is easiest to write that the collateral damage is only 1%, but only until you find yourself in a situation where you or someone important to you ends up in some prison.

While his people live in poverty, he builds hotels for pets and promises grandiose projects that will never come true.

You may not know how the story began, but if you feel like reading...

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/

But what if you find yourself in the opposite side of that equation. A family members dies because he was killed by criminal, who was already arrested but released in the same day.

I really doubt any innocent people are getting arrested in El Salvador. But criminals certainly do not have their human rights being respected. Is it a great collateral damage compared to innocent people getting murdered?

It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and murdered, remains never even found.

In Brazil everyone knows someone who had been kidnapped or murdered or at least shot. A completely different reality from developed countries, where people are blunt around for human rights and privileges.
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You sound like their minister of justice, who sees nothing wrong with the police hunting people in the workplace and on the streets and putting them in jail without charge. It is easiest to write that the collateral damage is only 1%, but only until you find yourself in a situation where you or someone important to you ends up in some prison.

While his people live in poverty, he builds hotels for pets and promises grandiose projects that will never come true.

You may not know how the story began, but if you feel like reading...

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/

But what if you find yourself in the opposite side of that equation. A family members dies because he was killed by criminal, who was already arrested but released in the same day.

I really doubt any innocent people are getting arrested in El Salvador. But criminals certainly do not have their human rights being respected. Is it a great collateral damage compared to innocent people getting murdered?

It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and murdered, remains never even found.

In Brazil everyone knows someone who had been kidnapped or murdered or at least shot. A completely different reality from developed countries, where people are blunt around for human rights and privileges.

I would, in general, agree with your points, but I would take issue with the bolded.

I feel certain there are people in Cecot who probably shouldn't be.  How many little brothers or cousins of some tatted up tough guy decided to get the same kind of tattoos to be like someone they respect?  Maybe they were even on the path to doing bad things with one of the gangs that are so famous in the area.  And then they got swept up in the mass arrests.

Collateral damage? I am certain there are some people in that big jail system that don't belong there. Unfortunately, if they ever do get out, it will have become a self-fulfilling prophecy because now that is who they are.

I find topics like that one very interesting because it's very easy to take a high horse position on one side or the other. (not saying that's what you were doing.).

Bukele used a broad brush shotgun approach to cleaning up the crime in his country and did a miraculous job of it.  But in that size of an operation, I feel it could only be certain that some mistakes were made.
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It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and murdered, remains never even found.
In Brazil everyone knows someone who had been kidnapped or murdered or at least shot. A completely different reality from developed countries, where people are blunt around for human rights and privileges.
Yeah and most normal people are tired of this. We can ignore some that support liberal approaches against crime because they are criminals themselves or they have family members who are criminals, they should not be listened to. Only a strong approach against crime works, nothing else has ever worked against crime!

But what if you find yourself in the opposite side of that equation. A family members dies because he was killed by criminal, who was already arrested but released in the same day.

I really doubt any innocent people are getting arrested in El Salvador. But criminals certainly do not have their human rights being respected. Is it a great collateral damage compared to innocent people getting murdered?

It is even easier to write that when you are writing from a nice place and have never had family members kidnapped and murdered, remains never even found.

In Brazil everyone knows someone who had been kidnapped or murdered or at least shot. A completely different reality from developed countries, where people are blunt around for human rights and privileges.

I would, in general, agree with your points, but I would take issue with the bolded.

I feel certain there are people in Cecot who probably shouldn't be.  How many little brothers or cousins of some tatted up tough guy decided to get the same kind of tattoos to be like someone they respect?  Maybe they were even on the path to doing bad things with one of the gangs that are so famous in the area.  And then they got swept up in the mass arrests.

Collateral damage? I am certain there are some people in that big jail system that don't belong there. Unfortunately, if they ever do get out, it will have become a self-fulfilling prophecy because now that is who they are.

I find topics like that one very interesting because it's very easy to take a high horse position on one side or the other. (not saying that's what you were doing.).

Bukele used a broad brush shotgun approach to cleaning up the crime in his country and did a miraculous job of it.  But in that size of an operation, I feel it could only be certain that some mistakes were made.
Yeah I don't agree with that part at all. There are innocent people in prisons everywhere, in countries that do not use this kind of approach so we can't criticize Bukele for having some. The important part is whether the rate of innocents is too high for the benefit that it has caused, and it is not. There is not even any real data that suggests that the number of innocents in prison in El Salvador is high, it is just based on propaganda and a few individual anecdotes.. In developed countries you could actually argue the exact opposite. The rate of innocent is low but it does not justify the level of failure against crime, they should have 0 innocents in prison how bad they are with crime in recent decades in those countries.. many career criminals are on the streets in the US, but they are not coming out of Cecot. Career criminals should be imprisoned forever.

Innocent people should not suffer at the hands of lifetime criminals so that some egoistic people can virtue signal about human rights..
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I would, in general, agree with your points, but I would take issue with the bolded.

I feel certain there are people in Cecot who probably shouldn't be.  How many little brothers or cousins of some tatted up tough guy decided to get the same kind of tattoos to be like someone they respect?  Maybe they were even on the path to doing bad things with one of the gangs that are so famous in the area.  And then they got swept up in the mass arrests.

Collateral damage? I am certain there are some people in that big jail system that don't belong there. Unfortunately, if they ever do get out, it will have become a self-fulfilling prophecy because now that is who they are.

I find topics like that one very interesting because it's very easy to take a high horse position on one side or the other. (not saying that's what you were doing.).

Bukele used a broad brush shotgun approach to cleaning up the crime in his country and did a miraculous job of it.  But in that size of an operation, I feel it could only be certain that some mistakes were made.

A country where they capture innocent people to meet their daily arrest quota is on par with Russia or North Korea. I don't need someone who is biased to convince me that milk and honey are flowing in that country, because there is always another dark side to the story that such people refuse to see.

The following documentary has been shown on many television channels (at least when it comes to the EU), and those who want to understand what is really happening there should watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjq0ECRxhA (Inside CECOT, the World's Biggest Prison: El Salvador’s War on Gangs | Full Documentary)
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June 23, 2026, 05:15:10 PM
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Indentation issues in Python are the most bullshit thing ever, and whoever came up with that idea needs the rusty pipe treatment.

So i'm not the only one.
I was interested in early python - at the time i was coding a lot in perl - because a co-worker told me python "is like perl but cooler...".
As soon as i read about the intendation indentation "bracing", i was like "WTF!" and immediately lost interest.


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June 23, 2026, 05:20:50 PM

Indentation issues in Python are the most bullshit thing ever, and whoever came up with that idea needs the rusty pipe treatment.

a favorite from back in the day

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Fortran runtime error: Missing initial left parenthesis

Don't remember that but I haven't coded fortran since 87 or 88 on a vax.

But what I do remember is having to recompile repeatedly just from friggin syntax errors! Smiley
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June 23, 2026, 05:24:41 PM

#random

So, a lot of work - again - on newspost.py over the last 24 hours.

I'm seriously thinking about making a @BobClawblaw x.com account, and start pasting these reports twice daily. See how it's received in a broader community.

Rick thinks I'm verr retarded.

Would be fun if Clawblaw would put up wordy fights and arguments against Grok on a daily basis, if that's possible?
Well, regarding Rick, X is no more the place for serious content, so i second his opinion.
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June 23, 2026, 05:48:31 PM
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Indentation issues in Python are the most bullshit thing ever, and whoever came up with that idea needs the rusty pipe treatment.

So i'm not the only one.
I was interested in early python - at the time i was coding a lot in perl - because a co-worker told me python "is like perl but cooler...".
As soon as i read about the intendation indentation "bracing", i was like "WTF!" and immediately lost interest.


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Python stolen from
the Monty... Flying Circus
what do you expect??

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