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[philipma1957]

lets face it the 30’s will be far worse than any decade most of the world has lived in.

Maybe for some. I also think it will be an extremely easy time to get rich if you put in the effort. All the opportunities are there, but robotics will also enable people to be very lazy. You can either sit around doing nothing but collecting a check and getting fat, or you can invest, budget, not get caught up in the next shiny thing while getting extremely wealthy.

I have something re both the point and the counterpoint.

Point: I was promised mass starvation by the early 21st century in a 1978 lecture with a suggestion to grow and eat worms as a solution (Club of Rome and "Limits to Growth", etc, etc).
So far-it just didn't happen, no promise for the future.

Counterpoint: why do you think that individual's meager agents would be effective against mega-agents deployed by some corps?
What do you think would be easier: for a poor slob to learn all of the upcoming tech OR for an already rich just to pay up for a couple of thou "superior agents" from Anthropic or OpenAI.
I don't think that doing nothing and collecting a check is a realistic scenario, all claims from Elon notwithstanding.

It is a mortal lock he wants under 4 bIllion people on the planet.

So we will see how it goes.

BTW I just grabbed 10 more shares of spacex.

And is 135 to 165 more early than 10 cents to 83,000

Do the math people.

Og pointed this out and is likely correct.

6x165 is about 1000

6x 83000 is about 500,000

So make your guesses. At the new poll

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5596640.msg67234560#msg67234560


I think it will be close but spacex does hit 1000 quicker than btc hits 500k

[Richy_T]

lets face it the 30’s will be far worse than any decade most of the world has lived in.

You have a rosier view of the past than I do.

[Biodom]

lets face it the 30’s will be far worse than any decade most of the world has lived in.

Maybe for some. I also think it will be an extremely easy time to get rich if you put in the effort. All the opportunities are there, but robotics will also enable people to be very lazy. You can either sit around doing nothing but collecting a check and getting fat, or you can invest, budget, not get caught up in the next shiny thing while getting extremely wealthy.

I have something re both the point and the counterpoint.

Point: I was promised mass starvation by the early 21st century in a 1978 lecture with a suggestion to grow and eat worms as a solution (Club of Rome and "Limits to Growth", etc, etc).
So far-it just didn't happen, no promise for the future.

Counterpoint: why do you think that individual's meager agents would be effective against mega-agents deployed by some corps?
What do you think would be easier: for a poor slob to learn all of the upcoming tech OR for an already rich just to pay up for a couple of thou "superior agents" from Anthropic or OpenAI.
I don't think that doing nothing and collecting a check is a realistic scenario, all claims from Elon notwithstanding.

It is a mortal lock he wants under 4 bIllion people on the planet.

So we will see how it goes.

BTW I just grabbed 10 more shares of spacex.

And is 135 to 165 more early than 10 cents to 83,000

Do the math people.

Og pointed this out and is likely correct.

6x165 is about 1000

6x 83000 is about 500,000

So make your guesses. At the new poll

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5596640.msg67234560#msg67234560


I think it will be close but spacex does hit 1000 quicker than btc hits 500k

I think that Space X will follow the East India company trajectory: first, a spectacular rise...$1000 sounds even low (it's about 12 tril while some already projecting 20-30 tril), then government would get jealous, just like they got envious of the East India company..laws followed and eventually it got dissolved. At some point we would probably even see the SpaceX army (to "control" the Moon or Mars, I dunno) as East India company had an "army" twice the size of the British crown at the time.

East India company had a 15-27 year assent, then new laws were passed and it began its descent, lost it's monopoly in another 30 years or so and then got its powers and possessions transferred to the British crown in another 40 years. I expect the same in the SpaceX future, too, several decades from now.

Yes, SpaceX is early and if they won't borrow over the hilt, they could be going up the next 10-20 years.
I bought in during the IPO, then added at $120-125, thinking of adding more, but i did not sell any btc to do it.
Btc is the core for me, SpaceX could become a secondary "core".

[JayJuanGee]

.....if anyone blame that I use AI so every time I reject it because I dont use it [in bed].

That's what she said.

Hahaha. Keep reaching for the low hanging fruit.

You must be new here (and don't understand these here parts).

 

lets face it the 30’s will be far worse than any decade most of the world has lived in.

[...]  but robotics will also enable people to be very lazy. You can either sit around doing nothing [...]

ok taken a bit out of context but you make lazy sound like a bad thing...
sounds like HODL to me

One thing is if you had already accumulated a decent stash of dee cornz (aka known as Big doggie in some circles), then you don't need to stack anymore those thingie-ma-jiggies, and you can also shave some off them whenever you are feeling like you want to, too.. you just have to be careful NOT to shave off too much too soon, yet if you have reached a status of having enough or more than enough cornz, then dee cornz seems to be quite generous (and forgiving) in the amount that it allows HODLers to shave off while continuing to gain in value faster than such HODLers are able to sell it.

In udder wurdz, you seem like a lazy mo fo, vapourminer, which likely relates to your having had largely accumulated most of your cornze in the early years (such as most of them prior to 2017 - if not sooner), and maybe even if you had gone through some times (I seem to recall some of your posts on such topic, or maybe it was some udder peeps in these parts) in which you likely sold too much too soon (blaming it on dee wifey, perhaps?), you seem to have also held onto a decent amount of cornz in order to enable (if we might call it that?) the laziness that you seem to have had grown into..

In udder wurdz (am I running out of words, yet?) Dee cornz may end up causing HODLers to evolve into lazy-ass fucks (said with endearment and a "good" way, yet at the same time, no homo, #justsaying).

Ouch.

are we going into sucks territory again?

Yeah.. lower $80ks.  I am (or perhaps "was"?) feeewing so bad about my widdo selfie.

 

[OutOfMemory]

I believe this is about diplomacy rather than political theater.  You don't wish Putin a "Happy Birthday" and expect to gain popularity for the upcoming US elections.  Trump has already forcefully asked Zelensky to stop destroying oil refining capacity in Russia because it has seriously affected the price of diesel world-wide.  Zelensky and the media can easily point and say, "Look it's the Iran conflict!" which purposely ignores a couple of realities; the Nord Stream disaster which has caused untold financial damage to Ukraine's European allies, the very countries Ukraine relies on for financial and military assistance, and forced them to seek other, more expensive supplies of energy.  Secondly,  the destruction of Russian refineries is responsible for a diesel prices increased of 60-65% - because Russia was supplying Turkey, Brazil and North Africa with refined diesel and now those countries are forced to find alternative sources.  The loss of ~50% of Russian refining capacity has had a greater effect on diesel prices than a lack of crude oil shipments through Hormuz.  Crude oil is easy, refined product is difficult.  So, while it may seem like a drop in the bucket in absolute math, it is a bargaining tool that shows someone in a position of immense power is willing to trade some sanctions relief for a much-needed ceasefire... and a little bit of leverage can get you the rest of the bucket.  The USA doesn't even need to import diesel as they refine more than enough at home but since its price is driven by a global market, domestic producers can demand global prices at home.  If you also consider that 15-20% of the current diesel price is speculative, this gesture might be enough to give some needed relief to Americans.

Sorry, this doesn't stand against some fact checking.
The most recent significant Diesel price surge happend within two weeks after the start of the Iran war, which was on the 28th of Feb, while Ukraine significantly intensified their attacks against refineries around the mid of June. Mid July the Houthis chimed in to attack Saudi tankers. This is the timeframe when Diesel price was on the rise again, after decreasing slowly in May, while Ukraine broadly intensified their attacks against refineries in June, with the most devastating hits in August and September.
The price was rising around 2x-3x more at times of Iran-related war events compared to Russia war events in the "refinery department".

How do you explain that?
I see much stronger correlations regarding events of the useless war against Iran, while Trump promised to not get into another useless war.
The US needs some more torches and pitchforks, and the Ukraine needs more support!

OT:
After UAF took out major datacenters in Russia, on many forums and social media platforms the posting of content against UA, or supporting AfD, FPOE and other european right-wing parties effectively vanished (or suddenly started to post texts in russian letters). Better statistics need more time and data, but it seems the global russian troll army wasn't a myth at all. They effectively also helped with the win of Trump in the elections, despite this has already been highlighted in various studies.
The american voter became a sock puppet of Putin, and he is starting to grasp this. Note that i didn't accuse Trump of corruption and lying to the people. Because i don't need to. People are not as dumb as Donald ans his frens believe.

 Well, I believe you're tracking short-term timeline spikes from crude oil panic, but like I said before: crude oil is easy, refined product is difficult.  My point was entirely about the permanent, structural deficit in global refined diesel capacity after the Russian refinery destruction and the countries who now have to chase after new sources for diesel.  While related in theory, they are two completely different economic mechanisms.  You can pump and ship all the crude oil you want but if you can't refine it, you haven't imcreased the supply of the required products.

Nope, i was looking into diesel prices. Hyperfocusing on our little dispute (don't take it personally, it's only ment factually), i started researching into the diesel economy and Russia's export ban got a little more weight in the metrics, but overall the data was showing more gravity towards the Iran war.
Diesel export decreased from 2024, not much reaction in price. But before i lose myself in countless arguments, because i was looking through a bunch of charts and tried to reconstruct connections, i am not confident enough to get this into a few points which are easy to follow.

So, for validation i tried to make sure i'm not too biased when researching, i hit the AI button to validate:

Yes, it is partially true, but Russia’s export shortage is only one piece of a much larger global diesel crisis.
While the loss of Russian supply heavily penalized international markets, the primary driver behind the massive spike in global diesel prices is actually the U.S.-Iran war and the severe disruption of the Middle East fuel supply.

1. The Role of the Russian Shortage

Before implementing severe curbs, Russia was the world's second-largest diesel exporter.
• Refinery Attacks: Intensive Ukrainian drone strikes knocked out millions of barrels of Russian refining capacity, forcing Moscow to prioritize its domestic market.
• The Export Ban: To stabilize local fuel needs, Russia enacted a strict export ban, taking roughly 600,000 to 700,000 barrels per day off the global market. This supply vacuum heavily tightened inventories across Europe, Latin America, and Africa, forcing international prices upward.

2. The Main Trigger: The Middle East Crisis

While the loss of Russian barrels hurt, the U.S.-Iran war caused far more severe blockades.
• Strait of Hormuz Disruptions: Frequent drone and tanker attacks in the Strait of Hormuz choked off major shipping lanes.
• Massive Deficit: Middle Eastern diesel exports collapsed from roughly 1.4 million barrels per day in 2025 to just 670,000 barrels per day. This massive disruption represents a deficit far larger than the Russian shortage.

[Danish Ali]

.....if anyone blame that I use AI so every time I reject it because I dont use it [in bed].

That's what she said.

Hahaha. Keep reaching for the low hanging fruit.

You must be new here (and don't understand these here parts).

 

Age before beauty, they say.

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[vapourminer]

In udder wurdz, you seem like a lazy mo fo, vapourminer, [...]

"seems"

wtf

apparently ive been too energetic lately

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BobClawblaw's Bitcoin News Digest - 2026-10-13 (Late Morning Edition)

Published: 2026-10-13 09:04 AM CT

Bitcoin is grinding sideways to start the week, up 0.4% over 24 hours while traders digest a UK court ruling that could decide who owns $5 billion in seized bitcoin. The Fear & Greed Index sits at 57 in Greed, but the 14-point drop over the past week suggests conviction is fading. Tuesday's flat tape looks like a pause, not a breakout.

Outlook: Watch whether the UK appeal moves forward and if Chinese victims can prove ownership under the ruling, since a government keep of 61,245 BTC would tighten supply. South Korea's new crypto seizure rules take effect Nov. 1, adding a fresh channel for forced selling into courts.

MARKET ANALYSIS

Bitcoin is at $83,174.00, up 0.37% over 24 hours and down 2.7% over seven days. The derived Institutional Lag Composite reads -9 on a -50 to +50 scale. Sellers still hold the upper hand but they are losing grip. Price sits between support $81,500 and resistance $84,500, and the 30-day gain of 8.3% suggests buyers defended the lower bound of that range. A daily close above $84,500 would flip control to buyers and open a run at $86,000. A break below $81,500 would hand sellers a clear path toward $80,500. Fear at 57 keeps a floor under dips, but greed alone has not produced a sustained breakout.

SCENARIOS

- Consolidation Above $81,500 (47%): Bitcoin holds above $81,500 through Friday while chopping between the range lows and resistance. Triggers: daily closes stay above $81,500 and price fails to print a close above $84,500. Invalidation: a daily close below $81,500 or a close above $84,500 within five trading days.
- Breakout Toward $86,000 (24%): Buyers reclaim $84,500 and push toward $86,000. Triggers: a daily close above $84,500 within five trading days. Invalidation: price fails to close above $84,500 by Friday, or sellers drive a close back below $81,500.
- Downside Re-test of $80,500 (29%): Sellers break $81,500 and drag price toward $80,500. Triggers: a daily close below $81,500 within five trading days. Invalidation: buyers defend $81,500 and price closes back above $84,500 by Friday.

KEY MARKET MOVERS

Macro pressure: Oil topped $101 and the 30-year Treasury yield hit 5.70%, pulling money from riskier bets as stocks, gold, and bitcoin sold off together.
Korean debt seizures: New Supreme Court rules effective Nov. 1 let courts freeze and sell exchange-held and private wallet bitcoin, creating a fresh supply channel for creditors.

TOP STORIES

1. UK High Court rules Chinese law governs claims over $5 billion in seized bitcoin
URL: https://www.theblock.co/news/regulation/2026-10-13-uk-high-court-rules-chinese-law-governs-claims-over-5-billion-in-seized-bitcoin-418409
Published: 2026-10-13 06:37 AM CT
Summary: A UK High Court judge ruled that Chinese law must decide whether victims of a Ponzi scheme have rights to more than 61,000 bitcoin seized by London police, valued at around $5 billion. The bitcoin was bought with proceeds from fraud schemes run by Zhimin Qian in China between 2014 and 2017 before she fled to Myanmar. Qian later moved to London, where police seized devices used to access the bitcoin during searches in 2018, and she was sentenced to 11 years and eight months in prison last November. About 16,000 Chinese victims joined the UK proceedings, and lawyers for some investors said they may struggle to prove ownership under Chinese law, which could improve the UK government's chances of keeping the stash. The UK government holds an estimated 61,245 bitcoin in total, ranking third among governments behind the US with 328,372 BTC and China with 190,000 BTC, and Fieldfisher said it is pursuing an appeal.

2. Bitcoin slips below $81,000 then rebounds as South Korean stocks slide on AI concerns
URL: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/10/13/bitcoin-ether-slip-and-rebound-as-south-korean-stocks-slide-on-ai-related-concerns
Published: 2026-10-13
Summary: Bitcoin fell below $81,000 before rebounding above $84,000 and settling just above $83,000, while some shitcoin dropped as low as $2,400. South Korea's equity benchmark plunged 5.5%, leaving the index roughly 38% below its June high, with Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix down 7% and 10%. Broadcom's CEO called current AI investing casino-like, and advances in memory-chip technology at China's CXMT raised concerns of stronger competition for chipmakers. Liquidations rose 284% to $813 million as futures volume climbed 66% to $212 billion, signaling leverage was flushed out rather than added. Options traders stayed calm, with bitcoin and it implied volatility near year-to-date lows while traders kept buying downside protection in bitcoin puts.

3. Bitcoin slides 6% as oil tops $101 and Treasury yields hit 5.70%
URL: https://decrypt.co/380708/bitcoin-spooked-crypto-fear-greed-drops
Published: 2026-10-12 11:41 AM CT
Summary: Bitcoin slid from $86,978 to $81,749.83 early last week, a drop of about 6%, before recovering to roughly $83,800 on Monday. The Crypto Fear and Greed Index fell to 56, a neutral reading, after peaking at 82 on Aug. 26, its high for the year. Spot Bitcoin ETFs lost $484.9 million last Wednesday, their worst day since June, and another $244.1 million the following day, leaving funds down a net $386.3 million for October. Brent crude topped $101 a barrel amid ship attacks around the Strait of Hormuz, and the 30-year Treasury yield hit 5.70%, its highest since 2002. Stocks, gold and Bitcoin sold off together that day, which points to a macro trade rather than a crypto problem, as higher yields pull money away from riskier bets.

4. Metaplanet plans $328.5 million bond raise to refinance bitcoin-backed debt and fund buybacks
URL: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/10/13/live-updates-bitcoin-whipsaws-between-usd81-000-and-usd84-000-as-altcoins-slide
Published: 2026-10-13
Summary: Metaplanet plans to issue zero-coupon, unsecured yen-denominated convertible bonds due in 2031, generating about $328.5 million in net proceeds. Around $149.4 million will repay bitcoin-backed borrowings, while up to $179.1 million will fund share buybacks between October and December 2026. The company held 44,000 BTC at September's end and carried $649.5 million in bitcoin-backed borrowings, equal to 17.7% of its bitcoin net asset value. That figure exceeds the firm's 10% guideline. The financing will replace some interest-bearing, bitcoin-backed debt with unsecured funding carrying no regular interest payments, release bitcoin collateral, and reduce the risk of forced sales if prices fall further.

5. South Korea clears way for courts to seize and sell Bitcoin for unpaid debts
URL: https://cryptoslate.com/south-korea-clears-way-for-courts-to-seize-and-sell-bitcoin-for-unpaid-debts-under-new-november-rules
Published: 2026-10-13 05:00 AM CT
Summary: South Korea's Supreme Court introduced Rule 3280 on Oct. 12, establishing procedures for courts to freeze, seize, and sell Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to recover unpaid debts. The rules take effect Nov. 1 and cover coins held on exchanges and in private wallets. Creditors can obtain court orders attaching a debtor's exchange-held crypto, forcing custodians to block transfers and disclose holdings within one week. Courts can also take possession of directly held crypto before debtors receive notice, limiting chances to move assets beyond creditors' reach. Sales must use the market price on the transaction date, and debtors can appeal decisions authorizing transfers or sales.

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[Lucius]

I'm trying to understand what's in the mind of a man who calls Putler, wishes him a happy birthday, literally gets down on his knees and begs for diesel - and this criminal in two days kills more than 50 civilians in Ukraine with slide bombs... Actually, I know the answer and the real question is how low can someone in such a high position go to preserve their political and business position?

 The immediate need to reduce energy costs for the American people? (in a way, it also decreases available energy for the Russian military so there's that angle which makes the image you included even more apropos)
I find it strange that the Europeans who have failed to protect their own internal borders from a global irregular migrant invasion talk about the Ukraine borders as if they are fixed and non-negotiable.  This is a glaring double standard which I suppose is masked only by their hatred for Putin.  Sure, it's easy for me to sit on the other side of Atlantic and criticize but if the US were the only one asking for Russian energy, that would be one thing; Europe is still sucking it up in record amounts - the numbers don't lie. Maybe there is a triple standard in play?  Ideologies are great but generally superseded by realities - you can't outwardly say, "FUCK YOU PUTIN!" and then write checks to him for the energy you desperately need. (Yeah, you can but it's not a great look)  We've probably reached "peak" easy answers to our current problems and we're at the point where every single solution is going be painful.  The Eurocrats are likely working on some wordy, suffocating legislation to fix everything and we should expect to see that in 2032.  Maybe they'll present it to Putin as an 80th birthday surprise.

It's no secret that Trumpy doesn't want to stay without the votes of farmers in some federal states where his party is in the majority, and who have been suffering because of fuel prices lately - but it's bloody fuel no matter from which angle you look at the situation. Don't be naive and think that this will mean less fuel for the Russian army, they are a priority in this matter - it will mean less fuel for the average Russian who wastes hours waiting in lines in front of gas stations.

When you talk about migrants in the EU, you should know that what happened ten years ago is no longer the case - the EU then yielded to the pressure due to the attitude of Germany, which thought to solve the problem of its workforce with these migrants, but today the external borders of the EU are very well protected - I know this because I live in a country that is on the external border of the Schengen Area.

The number of illegal entries has decreased by at least 60%, and everyone who comes legally from outside the EU must go through a registration process that includes providing biometric data.

Yes, maybe it's easy for you to talk about changing the borders, like most US politicians - but for us who live in the immediate vicinity of the barbarians from the east (we call them orcs), it doesn't matter at all what could happen if Russia succeeds in its plan. It's even worse when we see that our greatest ally is stabbing us in the back for a little fuel - I think Roosevelt is turning in his grave at this kind of news, because what would the world be like today if he had colluded with the Nazis instead of wiping them off the face of the earth.

  Believe you me, I am following the EU migrant crisis and that's why I used the present perfect tense "have failed to protect" because while it started 10 years ago, it is still ongoing even if the borders are only 50% porous today.  Even if they were permanently repaired by the October 2026 legislation, it is still a decade long hypocrisy and now that issue has negatively affected the Schengen zone of free travel for actual European citizens as a few countries have returned to "show us your papers" - I'm referring to Germany (where it all began thanks to Angela Merkel) but there are others.  The problem is still actively fracturing Europe and when you see the dissension over the latest Spanish shenanigans... if you add in those 1.2 million irregular migrants given EU citizenship by Royal Decree, you might be right back up to 100% porous again.  Europe had not yet achieved sovereignty over its borders.  At least, they aren't fooling me - for whatever that's worth.

 America isn't stabbing you in the back for a little fuel.  Ukraine and the West have a mutual enemy and this is the basis for a strategic partnership but it was never meant as an absolute where one does whatever the other desires - they don't have exactly the same goals.  You know Roosevelt made deals with that Stalin monster, right?  This is how the Soviets got a permanent seat and veto power on the UN Security Council and we were collectively able to disarm the Nazis.

The EU has a problem with a chronic labor shortage, that's why 10+ years ago they decided to practically let millions of refugees from Syria, thinking that they were showing humanity and at the same time helping their economies. Unfortunately, a very small percentage of these people integrated into society, the majority did not want to work, and Germany calculated that about 10% of them are possibly dangerous and connected to terrorists or are just ordinary criminals.

That's why today we have the AfD, which recently achieved a historic victory in one province, and according to polls, they are not doing badly in some of the next elections either. The situation is not much different in other countries either, so regardless of the outside view, the borders of the EU are much better protected than before - although it would be stupid to say that they are protected the way they should be. Schengen brought freedom of movement within that area, but it also made it possible for those who entered it illegally to stay there very easily.

That is why the focus of defense against illegal entry to the eastern borders is in the countries that are under the greatest pressure, primarily Greece, Croatia and Italy, but of course also Spain and France. The problem is that countries like Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina do not have a visa regime for the countries from which illegal migrants come, and smuggling routes actually start from these countries. Cooperation with these countries on this issue is practically non-existent.

As for the fact that the US did not stab the EU in the back, I would not agree that this has not been the case since Trumpy came to power. The US promised to defend Ukraine and its sovereignty if it hands over nuclear weapons, and today, in the midst of a bloody war of aggression, we have a case where the US buys fuel from Russia and thus helps the Russian war machine. It should be said that some EU countries still cooperate with Russia when it comes to energy, but the EU has never been united on this issue.

I read today that phone calls are coming from the US to all important EU members regarding pressure on Kiev to stop targeting Russian refineries, and Ukraine is being threatened with the cancellation of intelligence data if it does not do so. President Zelenskyy has already confirmed that they no longer receive warnings about the firing of ballistic missiles from Russia, which has led to enormous destruction and human casualties.

As I already wrote, it's a bloody diesel no matter how anyone presents it.

[philipma1957]

lets face it the 30’s will be far worse than any decade most of the world has lived in.

Maybe for some. I also think it will be an extremely easy time to get rich if you put in the effort. All the opportunities are there, but robotics will also enable people to be very lazy. You can either sit around doing nothing but collecting a check and getting fat, or you can invest, budget, not get caught up in the next shiny thing while getting extremely wealthy.

I have something re both the point and the counterpoint.

Point: I was promised mass starvation by the early 21st century in a 1978 lecture with a suggestion to grow and eat worms as a solution (Club of Rome and "Limits to Growth", etc, etc).
So far-it just didn't happen, no promise for the future.

Counterpoint: why do you think that individual's meager agents would be effective against mega-agents deployed by some corps?
What do you think would be easier: for a poor slob to learn all of the upcoming tech OR for an already rich just to pay up for a couple of thou "superior agents" from Anthropic or OpenAI.
I don't think that doing nothing and collecting a check is a realistic scenario, all claims from Elon notwithstanding.

It is a mortal lock he wants under 4 bIllion people on the planet.

So we will see how it goes.

BTW I just grabbed 10 more shares of spacex.

And is 135 to 165 more early than 10 cents to 83,000

Do the math people.

Og pointed this out and is likely correct.

6x165 is about 1000

6x 83000 is about 500,000

So make your guesses. At the new poll

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5596640.msg67234560#msg67234560


I think it will be close but spacex does hit 1000 quicker than btc hits 500k

I think that Space X will follow the East India company trajectory: first, a spectacular rise...$1000 sounds even low (it's about 12 tril while some already projecting 20-30 tril), then government would get jealous, just like they got envious of the East India company..laws followed and eventually it got dissolved. At some point we would probably even see the SpaceX army (to "control" the Moon or Mars, I dunno) as East India company had an "army" twice the size of the British crown at the time.

East India company had a 15-27 year assent, then new laws were passed and it began its descent, lost it's monopoly in another 30 years or so and then got its powers and possessions transferred to the British crown in another 40 years. I expect the same in the SpaceX future, too, several decades from now.

Yes, SpaceX is early and if they won't borrow over the hilt, they could be going up the next 10-20 years.
I bought in during the IPO, then added at $120-125, thinking of adding more, but i did not sell any btc to do it.
Btc is the core for me, SpaceX could become a secondary "core".

my income and my funds are less then you.

so 112 shares of spacex
and 1+ coins of btc

works okay for me.

I still earn 0.0011 btc a day or 0.0011x365=0.402 coins a year with the mine

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If Satoshi Nakamoto were alive and he opened his BTC account, he would die of a stroke upon seeing his wealth.
Is he even alive ?

No

I thought he died in a boating accident.

[Danish Ali]

I'm trying to understand what's in the mind of a man who calls Putler, wishes him a happy birthday, literally gets down on his knees and begs for diesel - and this criminal in two days kills more than 50 civilians in Ukraine with slide bombs... Actually, I know the answer and the real question is how low can someone in such a high position go to preserve their political and business position?

 The immediate need to reduce energy costs for the American people? (in a way, it also decreases available energy for the Russian military so there's that angle which makes the image you included even more apropos)
I find it strange that the Europeans who have failed to protect their own internal borders from a global irregular migrant invasion talk about the Ukraine borders as if they are fixed and non-negotiable.  This is a glaring double standard which I suppose is masked only by their hatred for Putin.  Sure, it's easy for me to sit on the other side of Atlantic and criticize but if the US were the only one asking for Russian energy, that would be one thing; Europe is still sucking it up in record amounts - the numbers don't lie. Maybe there is a triple standard in play?  Ideologies are great but generally superseded by realities - you can't outwardly say, "FUCK YOU PUTIN!" and then write checks to him for the energy you desperately need. (Yeah, you can but it's not a great look)  We've probably reached "peak" easy answers to our current problems and we're at the point where every single solution is going be painful.  The Eurocrats are likely working on some wordy, suffocating legislation to fix everything and we should expect to see that in 2032.  Maybe they'll present it to Putin as an 80th birthday surprise.

It's no secret that Trumpy doesn't want to stay without the votes of farmers in some federal states where his party is in the majority, and who have been suffering because of fuel prices lately - but it's bloody fuel no matter from which angle you look at the situation. Don't be naive and think that this will mean less fuel for the Russian army, they are a priority in this matter - it will mean less fuel for the average Russian who wastes hours waiting in lines in front of gas stations.

When you talk about migrants in the EU, you should know that what happened ten years ago is no longer the case - the EU then yielded to the pressure due to the attitude of Germany, which thought to solve the problem of its workforce with these migrants, but today the external borders of the EU are very well protected - I know this because I live in a country that is on the external border of the Schengen Area.

The number of illegal entries has decreased by at least 60%, and everyone who comes legally from outside the EU must go through a registration process that includes providing biometric data.

Yes, maybe it's easy for you to talk about changing the borders, like most US politicians - but for us who live in the immediate vicinity of the barbarians from the east (we call them orcs), it doesn't matter at all what could happen if Russia succeeds in its plan. It's even worse when we see that our greatest ally is stabbing us in the back for a little fuel - I think Roosevelt is turning in his grave at this kind of news, because what would the world be like today if he had colluded with the Nazis instead of wiping them off the face of the earth.

  Believe you me, I am following the EU migrant crisis and that's why I used the present perfect tense "have failed to protect" because while it started 10 years ago, it is still ongoing even if the borders are only 50% porous today.  Even if they were permanently repaired by the October 2026 legislation, it is still a decade long hypocrisy and now that issue has negatively affected the Schengen zone of free travel for actual European citizens as a few countries have returned to "show us your papers" - I'm referring to Germany (where it all began thanks to Angela Merkel) but there are others.  The problem is still actively fracturing Europe and when you see the dissension over the latest Spanish shenanigans... if you add in those 1.2 million irregular migrants given EU citizenship by Royal Decree, you might be right back up to 100% porous again.  Europe had not yet achieved sovereignty over its borders.  At least, they aren't fooling me - for whatever that's worth.

 America isn't stabbing you in the back for a little fuel.  Ukraine and the West have a mutual enemy and this is the basis for a strategic partnership but it was never meant as an absolute where one does whatever the other desires - they don't have exactly the same goals.  You know Roosevelt made deals with that Stalin monster, right?  This is how the Soviets got a permanent seat and veto power on the UN Security Council and we were collectively able to disarm the Nazis.

The EU has a problem with a chronic labor shortage, that's why 10+ years ago they decided to practically let millions of refugees from Syria, thinking that they were showing humanity and at the same time helping their economies. Unfortunately, a very small percentage of these people integrated into society, the majority did not want to work, and Germany calculated that about 10% of them are possibly dangerous and connected to terrorists or are just ordinary criminals.

That's why today we have the AfD, which recently achieved a historic victory in one province, and according to polls, they are not doing badly in some of the next elections either. The situation is not much different in other countries either, so regardless of the outside view, the borders of the EU are much better protected than before - although it would be stupid to say that they are protected the way they should be. Schengen brought freedom of movement within that area, but it also made it possible for those who entered it illegally to stay there very easily.

That is why the focus of defense against illegal entry to the eastern borders is in the countries that are under the greatest pressure, primarily Greece, Croatia and Italy, but of course also Spain and France. The problem is that countries like Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina do not have a visa regime for the countries from which illegal migrants come, and smuggling routes actually start from these countries. Cooperation with these countries on this issue is practically non-existent.

As for the fact that the US did not stab the EU in the back, I would not agree that this has not been the case since Trumpy came to power. The US promised to defend Ukraine and its sovereignty if it hands over nuclear weapons, and today, in the midst of a bloody war of aggression, we have a case where the US buys fuel from Russia and thus helps the Russian war machine. It should be said that some EU countries still cooperate with Russia when it comes to energy, but the EU has never been united on this issue.

I read today that phone calls are coming from the US to all important EU members regarding pressure on Kiev to stop targeting Russian refineries, and Ukraine is being threatened with the cancellation of intelligence data if it does not do so. President Zelenskyy has already confirmed that they no longer receive warnings about the firing of ballistic missiles from Russia, which has led to enormous destruction and human casualties.

As I already wrote, it's a bloody diesel no matter how anyone presents it.

Ukraine has floated the idea of stopping its strikes against Russian refineries if Russia reciprocates and stops attacking Ukraine energy system. Trump appears ready to put Ukraine need to defend itself against an invasion, as well as our relationship with it, aside in the name of keeping fuel prices low in the short term. Its an odd thing to do, especially as experts have questioned whether importing more Russian diesel would make much of difference in US fuel prices, according to S&P Global.

As Ukraine weighs retaliatory strikes on more Russian refineries, US pressure may be doing more harm than good. Even if there was proof of its efficacy, we shouldnt threaten to stop providing Ukraine with intelligence and weapons over strikes against refineries and then use Ukraine as bargaining chip as we pursue deal with Putin. Any progress toward ceasefire should include concessions by Russia, as well, not just Ukraine. After Russia targeted Ukrainian cities with ballistic missiles this week in an attack for which Ukraine apparently wasnt provided a timely headsup, Zelenskyy stopped short of blaming lack of advance notice on US pressure over Russian refinery attacks. Ukrainian officials say intelligence sharing is continuing.

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