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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26412499 times)
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October 04, 2014, 04:25:18 PM

Lessons learned from the BTC market as a young investor

1) Cost average sell into any bubble, and you will free up your assets and come out way ahead of everyone else on the backside of the bubble.
2) Cost average sell into any bubble, and you will free up your assets and come out way ahead of everyone else on the backside of the bubble.
3) Cost average sell into any bubble, and you will free up your assets and come out way ahead of everyone else on the backside of the bubble.
4) Cost average sell into any bubble, and you will free up your assets and come out way ahead of everyone else on the backside of the bubble.
5) Cost average sell into any bubble, and you will free up your assets and come out way ahead of everyone else on the backside of the bubble.

6) Do not call bottom and buy unless your intended position is a very short term hold.

That's about it. I happened to make most of my BTC during the alt craze after the bubble happened, so I've been cost averaging my sale down. But what a waste of time BTC has turned out to be over the past year for everyone that got in during or after the peak.
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October 04, 2014, 04:25:27 PM

"More Bitcoin Acceptance (by big e-commerce sites) is the chief reason for the current fall. I even pointed this out in a comment on another blog over 2 weeks ago. Big online merchants aren't keeping the market balanced by using their BTC to purchase inventory, goods, and services. Instead, they're simply dumping their daily intake on the exchanges.

But it gets worse! If a large merchant has sold their goods online that day for, say, 10% under current exchange rates, then they can dump that day's intake of BTC for 9.5% under market and still make dollar profit, but pushing the BTC market down even more in the process.
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This!

I logged in to comment on this.

If you think about it, it makes perfect sense for a retailer to have figured this out.

1.) Offer incentives to purchase using bitcoin which brings in customers from a niche market paradigm that is untapped.  (Think about retailers who target shoppers who would prefer to "buy American".  Instead retailers would target shoppers who would prefer to "buy bitcoin".)

2.) Thanks to the ease of converting in and out of bitcoin/fiat, retailers have little to no risk for cash flow or modifying their back channels.  This allows retailers to focus on pricing (which is what retailers do best) to find profit.  Pricing based on BTC/fiat exchange rates allows the retailer to offer huge nominal discounts (pay 10% less nominal when using BTC) but actually realize gains on the exchange.  This is essentially the retailer playing the exchange rate market.  Since retailers have product that is directly exchanged for bitcoin, by offering product for nominal BTC discount, they are shorting that market.  This is perfect for the retailer in the current merchant paradigm where middle men need to sell to convert the fiat they promised to the retailer.   So retailers have a built in short cover Smiley

3.)  This also an excellent play for retailers because lowering the exchange rate gives a perception of "cheapness" to the average consumer.  The average consumer hasn't really figured out that that in terms of utility, there won't be a difference between  $100 BTC and $1000 BTC.  Both of those "coins" can do exactly the same thing.   However the perception is that a $100 BTC is "cheaper" and would encourage that consumer to "invest".   So driving down the nominal exchange rate is definitely in the best interest of a retailer looking for more consumers to fill that niche market paradigm that the savvy retailer has set up to accept and capitalize on.  

My only question is, how does this hold up when the reverse is true?  Will the retailer still be able to offer sharp nominal BTC discounts?   In fact I think it works out even better for the retailer.  In market where the exchange rate is increasing, the retailer would simply hold on to the balance of BTC as a reserve to win even stronger exchange profit later on or perhaps even offer sharper discounts in the next down swing.  

It's an extremely interesting financial concept that I will be following closely.  

More discounts when exchange rate is lower, and more reserves when exchange rate is higher.  It's almost pie in the sky stuff for retailers and consumers.  I just have to also wonder when the day traders and middlemen will catch on and try to tap that seemingly risk free profit from the retailer and perceived savings from the consumer.  What will THAT do to the ecosystem?  
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October 04, 2014, 04:26:05 PM

So this is now officially the longest bear market since the beginning of Bitcoin.

THIS

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112675/here-comes-the-bribe-why-russia-and-most-governments-wont-try-to-ban-bitcoin

will turn the table and bitcoin will soon reach ATH at 2000 usd
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October 04, 2014, 04:26:38 PM

Damnit BTC I was going to go to sleep!
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October 04, 2014, 04:27:17 PM


A new record!
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October 04, 2014, 04:27:22 PM


This has been posted way too many times.
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October 04, 2014, 04:28:52 PM

I wonder how many people are buying stuff they don't need at Newegg as another means of some kind of exit since options in this market are kind of limited.
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October 04, 2014, 04:29:22 PM

Damnit BTC I was going to go to sleep!


i dare you to sleep
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October 04, 2014, 04:30:40 PM



(ok ok!! whatever you say Monkey, whatever you say..... I am not going to sleep)

(Monkey says he is dressed for a funeral..... mine)
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October 04, 2014, 04:30:49 PM

Can China hit 19xx today?  Shocked
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October 04, 2014, 04:31:04 PM

Yeah! And because in Africa they nearly don't have smartphones or internet they will use the rockchain  Grin
Wait until they dump "all" their fiat to buy bitcoin.


Jokes aside, Africa needs lot of development before they can consider buying or using bitcoin. Now it is only for lucky people with internet access.

You haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in third world countries and mobile adoption. More people have mobiles than electricity and indoor toilets.
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October 04, 2014, 04:31:15 PM

on the bright side - every drop means fewer irritating people in the btc-e trollbox.  probably down to 50% message volume  Cheesy
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October 04, 2014, 04:34:16 PM

You have been warned by falllling since $680 !
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758244 $476
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=713671 $510
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=698224 $580
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665200 $590
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650517 $600
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649261 $620

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=1&s=2014-07-01&e=2014-10-05&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=360&i=&c=1&s=2013-12-01&e=2014-10-05&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&

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October 04, 2014, 04:35:32 PM

The lower it goes the higher its going to go in the long run

~ This manipulation will soon come to an end ~

Source? For both claims please. 
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October 04, 2014, 04:36:19 PM

Huobi below 2000 incoming, rip in pepperoni BTC
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October 04, 2014, 04:36:37 PM

On the other side of things.. Why would whales (traders) leave BTC market? There is a huge amount of money to be made in BTC so why leave.
They aren't leaving, just selling now to buy more later.

Source? Other than your hopes, delusions and fantasies?
I thought this is a speculation thread. If you're looking for sources here you are definitely lost in the wrong section.
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October 04, 2014, 04:37:08 PM

Cheap coins at last! Cool
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October 04, 2014, 04:37:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJBPfQv1wQ
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October 04, 2014, 04:37:42 PM

on the bright side - every drop means fewer irritating people in the btc-e trollbox.  probably down to 50% message volume  Cheesy

Not so fast, I'm transferring more Bitcoin to btc-e, I currently need another $5.71 since I fell under the $100 minimum.  Shocked
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