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February 26, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.
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February 26, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.

I think this is the most important point. She and her family are part of the political world for a very long time.
Her father who founded the party is an outspoken antisemit. Pretty sure she is too.

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February 26, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.
We hear a lot about criminal cases open against Marie Le pen. I think that she will become President of France or not depends not from her and not from the French, and those who lead law enforcement agencies. At any moment it can be put in jail. Another thing is whether it is.
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February 26, 2017, 05:39:18 PM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.

I think this is the most important point. She and her family are part of the political world for a very long time.
Her father who founded the party is an outspoken antisemit. Pretty sure she is too.

Lol
You can't be part of the FN if you're not at least a bit racist. Can be against the jews, the blacks, the arabs or even better against all.
But you can't feel at home if you're not at least one of that ^^


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February 27, 2017, 03:01:55 AM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.

I think this is the most important point. She and her family are part of the political world for a very long time.
Her father who founded the party is an outspoken antisemit. Pretty sure she is too.

Lol
You can't be part of the FN if you're not at least a bit racist. Can be against the jews, the blacks, the arabs or even better against all.
But you can't feel at home if you're not at least one of that ^^

The same can be said about the mainstream French political parties such as the Parti socialiste, Les Républicains, and En Marche!. You can't be a part of these organizations unless you are ready to hate the native whites.

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February 27, 2017, 04:25:30 AM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

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February 27, 2017, 04:36:44 AM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

She would have won, if only the native French people were allowed to vote. But unfortunately that is not the case. Some 30% of the French population is composed of immigrants, as a result of the French colonial rule during the 18th and 19th centuries. It will be tough for her.

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February 27, 2017, 04:18:33 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

She would have won, if only the native French people were allowed to vote. But unfortunately that is not the case. Some 30% of the French population is composed of immigrants, as a result of the French colonial rule during the 18th and 19th centuries. It will be tough for her.

What do you call the native French?
You're a native French when your parents were French? Your grandparents? When you're French since the Revolution?

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February 27, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
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It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.

I think this is the most important point. She and her family are part of the political world for a very long time.
Her father who founded the party is an outspoken antisemit. Pretty sure she is too.

Lol
You can't be part of the FN if you're not at least a bit racist. Can be against the jews, the blacks, the arabs or even better against all.
But you can't feel at home if you're not at least one of that ^^

The same can be said about the mainstream French political parties such as the Parti socialiste, Les Républicains, and En Marche!. You can't be a part of these organizations unless you are ready to hate the native whites.

I don't hate native whites. I hate idiot, and probably more native white idiots than migrants idiots because native white idiots have no excuse for being dumb. They have the education, the resources and the history to be able to think. Sadly they don't integrate their education, they waste the resources and they can't learn from history. (Talking about native white idiots)

While at least migrants idiots have some excuses for being dumb. They got no education and no resource and a poor knowledge of their own history.

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February 27, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

AHAHAHAHAHAH
xD

Le Pen a feminist? xD
Yeah and I'm Marry Popins!

She's not a feminist. Here whole "feminist position" is against immigration as is her economical speech, her political speech, her educational speech etc...

No matter if she's right or wrong to fight immigration, you can't say she's a feminist. She's against abortion, against family planning and she voted NO against a moral text at the European Parliament that was not a harsh text but a simple one stating that abortion should be a universal right for women.

YEAH! A true feminist indeed.

On her program of 24 pages, the word women appears twice. Feminism at best.

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February 27, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

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February 27, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).
It seems to me that she's no feminist, though any woman in the depths of his soul feminist. Marie Le pen just bankrupt the leader of the party and is now trying to win elections to get rich. I am sure that for money she will go under Putin. Fools the French who will vote for it.
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February 27, 2017, 06:00:58 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

Thanks for having a brain too.

Moreover I'd like to add that based on mathematics there isn't a single European countries where high violences are on the rise.
Migrants or no migrants.

The highest rape rate in Europe is Sweden yeah... And yeah Sweden has lots of migrants... But you have to modify the figures. Not because "it doesn't suit my libtards ideologies" but because of Swedish legislation. In Sweden if a woman is raped my her husband or a girl by her father for the whole year, it's not considered as one rape but as 365 rapes. It's the only country in Europe counting like that and that's why rape rate is so high. Because rapes occurs 90% of the time not in the street by strangers but in the house by family (dad, husband, father in law, mother, sister...). So OF COURSE Sweden is the number one country by rape rate. If you don't believe me just check Swedish legislation, that's how they count.

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February 27, 2017, 06:09:53 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

Thanks for having a brain too.

Moreover I'd like to add that based on mathematics there isn't a single European countries where high violences are on the rise.
Migrants or no migrants.

The highest rape rate in Europe is Sweden yeah... And yeah Sweden has lots of migrants... But you have to modify the figures. Not because "it doesn't suit my libtards ideologies" but because of Swedish legislation. In Sweden if a woman is raped my her husband or a girl by her father for the whole year, it's not considered as one rape but as 365 rapes. It's the only country in Europe counting like that and that's why rape rate is so high. Because rapes occurs 90% of the time not in the street by strangers but in the house by family (dad, husband, father in law, mother, sister...). So OF COURSE Sweden is the number one country by rape rate. If you don't believe me just check Swedish legislation, that's how they count.
Thank you very much for the answer! It makes all the difference. I am no expert on Sweden and therefore could not understand where the country pretty quiet with the mentality that the number of rapes? A typical example of manipulative statistics.
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February 27, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

Thanks for having a brain too.

Moreover I'd like to add that based on mathematics there isn't a single European countries where high violences are on the rise.
Migrants or no migrants.

The highest rape rate in Europe is Sweden yeah... And yeah Sweden has lots of migrants... But you have to modify the figures. Not because "it doesn't suit my libtards ideologies" but because of Swedish legislation. In Sweden if a woman is raped my her husband or a girl by her father for the whole year, it's not considered as one rape but as 365 rapes. It's the only country in Europe counting like that and that's why rape rate is so high. Because rapes occurs 90% of the time not in the street by strangers but in the house by family (dad, husband, father in law, mother, sister...). So OF COURSE Sweden is the number one country by rape rate. If you don't believe me just check Swedish legislation, that's how they count.
Thank you very much for the answer! It makes all the difference. I am no expert on Sweden and therefore could not understand where the country pretty quiet with the mentality that the number of rapes? A typical example of manipulative statistics.

Yeah, and the problem is that it's true for lots of other things...
For example you've got countries that will count "lethal crimes" as one per death while other will count them as one per murderer. Which is obviously not the same thing!
You got to keep an eye on HOW people and legislation define the crimes, otherwise you're comparing things that are just... Too much different.

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February 27, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

Thanks for having a brain too.

Moreover I'd like to add that based on mathematics there isn't a single European countries where high violences are on the rise.
Migrants or no migrants.

The highest rape rate in Europe is Sweden yeah... And yeah Sweden has lots of migrants... But you have to modify the figures. Not because "it doesn't suit my libtards ideologies" but because of Swedish legislation. In Sweden if a woman is raped my her husband or a girl by her father for the whole year, it's not considered as one rape but as 365 rapes. It's the only country in Europe counting like that and that's why rape rate is so high. Because rapes occurs 90% of the time not in the street by strangers but in the house by family (dad, husband, father in law, mother, sister...). So OF COURSE Sweden is the number one country by rape rate. If you don't believe me just check Swedish legislation, that's how they count.
Thank you very much for the answer! It makes all the difference. I am no expert on Sweden and therefore could not understand where the country pretty quiet with the mentality that the number of rapes? A typical example of manipulative statistics.

Yeah, and the problem is that it's true for lots of other things...
For example you've got countries that will count "lethal crimes" as one per death while other will count them as one per murderer. Which is obviously not the same thing!
You got to keep an eye on HOW people and legislation define the crimes, otherwise you're comparing things that are just... Too much different.
In this respect, I am always surprised when people say that the country is all right, the economy is on the rise. GDP is growing, and I and my friends are living worse and earn less money. This is probably the same. A different approach to statistics.
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February 28, 2017, 02:39:40 AM
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What do you call the native French?
You're a native French when your parents were French? Your grandparents? When you're French since the Revolution?

Native French is similar to native American. We call someone native American, if he is having a certain quantum of Amerindian blood. Same with the term "native French". Anyone with ethnic French blood is native French.

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February 28, 2017, 07:19:03 AM
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I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

AHAHAHAHAHAH
xD

Le Pen a feminist? xD
Yeah and I'm Marry Popins!

She's not a feminist. Here whole "feminist position" is against immigration as is her economical speech, her political speech, her educational speech etc...

No matter if she's right or wrong to fight immigration, you can't say she's a feminist. She's against abortion, against family planning and she voted NO against a moral text at the European Parliament that was not a harsh text but a simple one stating that abortion should be a universal right for women.

YEAH! A true feminist indeed.

On her program of 24 pages, the word women appears twice. Feminism at best.

You're really a bright one bud, I've never seen someone who fully believes without an issue that the new wave of feminism today is actual and real feminism. She was going to be forced to wear a headscarf to visit  Lebanon's leader and when this news was discovered she cancelled the meeting as she wasen't going to do this.

You can perceive that in one of two ways, a publicity stunt in order to garner more support from nationalistic French supporters or a way to advocate for womens rights in the Muslim world as they're forced to cover themselves.

You also can't go ahead and say that being against abortion is something that doesn't make her a feminist, that's something that people believe today which is horrid. You have to understand that you're killing a child when you commit an abortion and people don't support such an action, so it would simple to see her be opposed to this on those grounds. I understand women have the right or should have the right to commit this, but wouldn't that constitute as a murder?

Please provide some more sources on some of your claims relating to Le Pen and MAYBE I'll take you a bit more serious on your horrid attitude towards how feminism is today, as this isn't real feminism and is just a war against men / white males / and so on.

CNN Article relating to Le Pen Headscarf - http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/europe/marine-le-pen-headscarf-lebanon-grand-mufti/

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February 28, 2017, 08:40:33 AM
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I don't think she'e gonna win because not enough people are experiencing what her voters motivate to vote for her.

The troubles just aren't big enough for the greater portion of the nation to unite behind a righwing politician. The greater portion has socialist employers, or are one themselves, so they'd be crazy to jeopardize their position in support of an oposition to what fills their bankaccounts every month.

Won't happen. And that's a small disappointment for anyone interested in politics.



 

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February 28, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
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I don't think she'e gonna win because not enough people are experiencing what her voters motivate to vote for her.

The troubles just aren't big enough for the greater portion of the nation to unite behind a righwing politician. The greater portion has socialist employers, or are one themselves, so they'd be crazy to jeopardize their position in support of an oposition to what fills their bankaccounts every month.

Won't happen. And that's a small disappointment for anyone interested in politics.
 


Personally I hope not.
But who knows. In the past, much surveys had been wrong ... as in poland, to the Brexit or in the US.

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