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March 07, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy
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March 07, 2017, 04:35:06 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

In the USA, the president functions as a part of the government, as head of the the executive branch. This is one of three branches of our government, which all have equal power. He can only make very broad policy decisions, but has complete control over the American war machine. Most laws need to pass through the legislative branch, the arm responsible for passing laws. But the executive order can be used to great effect, as these zing merrily past the legislative branch into actuality. Like the travel ban, for example. Congress would have never let that pass, had it been a bill (see my avatar). It was too poorly written, which is why it was appealed in its first iteration.

But, the legislative branch has the power to impeach the president. This won't happen, unless some very, very serious shit comes to light (like the Russian or Azerbaijan affairs), because there is a majority of members that are the same party as Trump. So, the government is stronger than the president, as he is just a government employee, but because his party controls 2 of the 3 arms of the government, he is beyond reproach at the moment.
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March 07, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
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The President is commander in chief of the army and Navy and police of the several States, when she was called up for active service of the United States. He has the right to:

- require the opinion, in writing, from the highest officials in each of the Executive departments on any matter relating to their official duties;

- to grant a reprieve and pardon for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment (not only private, but officials at other levels);

 the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties, subject to their approval by two thirds of present senators;

- to fill all vacancies in the period between sessions of the Senate, giving identity to positions, which expire at the end of its next session;

- in extreme cases may convene both houses of Congress, or any of them;

in the event of a dispute between houses of Congress at the time of transfer meetings transfer them to such time as deemed appropriate.

The President of the United States upon the advice and consent of the Senate appoints the Cabinet of the President of the United States (includes 15 Ministers), ambassadors, other official representatives and consuls, judges of the Supreme court and all other officers of the United States. He periodically give Congress information about the state of the Union and recommend to its consideration such measures as he deems necessary and appropriate. The US President accepts ambassadors and other official representatives, is obliged to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, ascertains positions of all officers of the United States.

The President signs adopted by the U.S. Congress bills, after which they enter into force and become law, or veto them. To overcome a veto Congress must assemble at least two-thirds votes in each chamber.

According to the U.S. Constitution, the power to declare war is vested in the Congress. However, pursuant to the Resolution on war powers resolution of 1973, the President can give the order to start military action without the approval of Congress. In accordance with the resolution the President can give the order to start military action “only in the case of a Declaration of war, special permission in the form of the Statute of the national emergency created by an attack on the United States, their territories or possessions or armed forces.” And before you use military force, the President “whenever possible” must consult with Congress. If hostilities began, the President within 48 hours, shall submit to the Congress a report in writing. Without a Congress to sanction military action could last no longer than 60 days. In extreme cases, “to ensure fast and safe withdrawal” of the us armed forces, this period may be extended for another 30 days. However, if Congress would adopt a coincident or joint resolution containing the demand to stop military action, the President is required to submit prior to the expiration of both the first and second period.
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March 07, 2017, 05:19:41 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
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March 07, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.
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March 07, 2017, 05:46:38 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
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March 07, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
LOL. Is Russia ruled by law? What wars elite? What are you talking about? Without the approval of Putin's Russia, nothing is done. All the opposition was killed. What is this if not a dictatorship?
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March 08, 2017, 05:17:42 AM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
Countries from the post-Soviet space is very difficult to get rid of those areas that were guided by the alliance. Although there are countries that have escaped this fate, even in Lithuania there are politicians who think in the old way and would like to return everything.
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March 08, 2017, 12:38:46 PM
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As I know that president is only the status or rank which is given by government so we can say that government is stronger than president .president is impressed with government they have to fallowed the all rules given by government .Government can remove the president from their rank by prosecution .

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March 08, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

When we speak of government and the president there are no things to discuss. The president is the head of the government and cannot be a president of a country without a government. A government is the system that is made for the purpose of serving the people. It is made by the people to serve the people. In a government the president as well as all the officials and political entities are not powerful but the wielder of power are the people because the real government are the people.
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March 08, 2017, 01:26:26 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

When we speak of government and the president there are no things to discuss. The president is the head of the government and cannot be a president of a country without a government. A government is the system that is made for the purpose of serving the people. It is made by the people to serve the people. In a government the president as well as all the officials and political entities are not powerful but the wielder of power are the people because the real government are the people.
The President is not the head of government. You are wrong. The head of government is Prime Minister. Another thing is that in authoritarian States the dictator controls the government and the Prime Minister became a nominal position.
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March 08, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
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The U.S. Constitution provides the principle of separation of powers into three branches: legislative, Executive and judicial. This system is designed to balance all the institutions of power, not giving advantages to any of them, and keep thereby the current democratic system. The Executive branch of the Federal government is headed by the President of the United States, who is the head of state and government.
The US President is elected for four years, and one person cannot hold this post more than two terms.
Only after the President signs the laws passed by Congress go into effect. The President also has the right of veto, to overcome which the Congress can only collecting two-thirds vote in both houses.
The US President is the Supreme commander of the Armed forces of the United States.
The US President directly supervises the activities of all agencies of the Executive branch of the Federal government
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March 08, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
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There is no president or government just the new world order illuminati-freemason cult which is a multinational group to not only have complete control over their own lives but having control and influence the entire world. grow up people-wake the hell up.
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March 08, 2017, 02:58:14 PM
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There is no president or government just the new world order illuminati-freemason cult which is a multinational group to not only have complete control over their own lives but having control and influence the entire world. grow up people-wake the hell up.
Do you believe in global conspiracy? But what about the coming to power of Trump? It seems to me that he doesn't look like a person who can enter into a world government. I don't think they are interested in to destroy the entire world order.
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March 08, 2017, 03:04:29 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.

 
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March 08, 2017, 03:08:23 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.
No i think president can control the government since he is the president if he is doing a right way no fraud or corrupt as president he can control the governments will like taxes. like here in my country maybe in the other country they can control president but can not control government by the president..



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March 08, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.
No i think president can control the government since he is the president if he is doing a right way no fraud or corrupt as president he can control the governments will like taxes. like here in my country maybe in the other country they can control president but can not control government by the president..
It all depends on the model of the state. There are States where the President has very great power, and there are States in which the President has only representative functions and does not affect the policy of the country. Not knowing what specifically had in mind the country you can argue until infinity and all will be right.
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March 12, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy


As far as i know Government is much powerful than the President,President is only a public image of the Government besides that Presidents/Leaders in each country have a so called political advisers which are more powerful than them,Behind the public image of a leader there are the one's controlling them like puppets giving them such's commands.You may be right that the Government has the power to impeached the President coz Government is composed of not only politicians but also people living in the country.

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March 12, 2017, 05:02:21 PM
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Abraham Lincoln said, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin101395.html

Be patient with the information on Karl Lentz. Karl shows us that the Government (the people) are stronger than the President. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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March 12, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
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Abraham Lincoln said, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin101395.html

Be patient with the information on Karl Lentz. Karl shows us that the Government (the people) are stronger than the President. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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Not all people are able to resist. In many countries it really is. Usually if this happens then there is a dictatorship. Look for example how this happening in Russia.
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