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I have looked through the seastead literature several times in my life.
Good, then you should have seen the answers to all of your questions there as they are the basic ones most people ask about first. Though, that would likely be better discussed in a thread that was not about an island on land.
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First seastead company actually selling sea homes: Ocean Builders https://ocean.builders Of course we accept bitcoin.
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April 30, 2013, 11:01:19 AM |
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If your successful the US will bomb you and make it sound like your some kind of terrorists.
A bit of a pessimistic view. If you were bombed I would suspect the grammar police first. Nothing pisses them off more than confusing "your" with "you're". Just going off history - I love grammar Nazi's ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I type fast occasionally on a phone possibly while driving (yes stopped).
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April 30, 2013, 11:15:42 AM Last edit: April 30, 2013, 11:29:17 AM by Alex Zee |
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Seasteaders who don't know if oil rigs can be moved, think that floating concrete balls are a stable surface to build a city on or believe they will be exempt from the laws of all nations if they are just a few hundred miles out to sea are the folks who make it sound like the seasteading ideas are not well thought out.
I am amazed you're taking this thread seriously ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Come on, it's just a bunch of naive kiddies or idiotic fanatics who think "It is extremely difficult and costly to significantly impact political outcomes" and that it's easier instead to build new nations on water ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Anon136
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April 30, 2013, 11:46:18 AM |
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Seasteaders who don't know if oil rigs can be moved, think that floating concrete balls are a stable surface to build a city on or believe they will be exempt from the laws of all nations if they are just a few hundred miles out to sea are the folks who make it sound like the seasteading ideas are not well thought out.
I am amazed you're taking this thread seriously ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Come on, it's just a bunch of naive kiddies or idiotic fanatics who think "It is extremely difficult and costly to significantly impact political outcomes" and that it's easier instead to build new nations on water ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) you are exempt from all laws if you are a few hundred miles out to sea. The problem is that includes any laws that say that people cant murder you. If you are doing something that a nation doesn't like they cant arrest you, but they can declare war on you.
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April 30, 2013, 11:49:15 AM |
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you are exempt from all laws if you are a few hundred miles out to sea.
Yes, except the laws of physics.
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April 30, 2013, 04:54:28 PM |
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you are exempt from all laws if you are a few hundred miles out to sea. The problem is that includes any laws that say that people cant murder you. If you are doing something that a nation doesn't like they cant arrest you, but they can declare war on you.
Another cool thing about the ocean. There is a loophole to the "100 miles" or "1 mile" law (I think in some places 1 mile out is open ocean)... Here it is: Say you are in China and pirate one of their ships (China actually has military pirates that do this too), so you pirate the ship and while on board, take it to Japanese waters. Now, China and Japan aren't the best of friends, so if China send war ships to chase you into Japanese water, Japan can declare war on all of China, lol. So China will let you go.
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April 30, 2013, 07:59:51 PM |
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you are exempt from all laws if you are a few hundred miles out to sea. The problem is that includes any laws that say that people cant murder you. If you are doing something that a nation doesn't like they cant arrest you, but they can declare war on you.
Another cool thing about the ocean. There is a loophole to the "100 miles" or "1 mile" law (I think in some places 1 mile out is open ocean)... Here it is: Say you are in China and pirate one of their ships (China actually has military pirates that do this too), so you pirate the ship and while on board, take it to Japanese waters. Now, China and Japan aren't the best of friends, so if China send war ships to chase you into Japanese water, Japan can declare war on all of China, lol. So China will let you go. sure its like yesterday some swine was following me arround acting like he was going to pull me over and harass me so i pulled into a state park. He couldnt follow cuz he had no jurisdiction and no probable cause to alert the rangers. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 30, 2013, 10:30:48 PM |
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interesting. Still it seams like this provision mostly deals with war crimes. So its sort of like what i said, if you piss them off too badly they will just go to war with you. Basically the point of universal jurisdiction is to lay out some clear cut guidelines for what sorts of issues it is ok for a sovereign to start a war over. at least thats its stated intention, i have no idea what the real intentions might be (since these two things are rarely ever the same)
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April 30, 2013, 11:19:59 PM |
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interesting. Still it seams like this provision mostly deals with war crimes. So its sort of like what i said, if you piss them off too badly they will just go to war with you. Basically the point of universal jurisdiction is to lay out some clear cut guidelines for what sorts of issues it is ok for a sovereign to start a war over. at least thats its stated intention, i have no idea what the real intentions might be (since these two things are rarely ever the same) Indeed. I guess I really meant that it was not strictly true. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Perhaps all aspiring pirates should also read: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostes_humani_generisPublic International Law is also relative and interesting. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_international_lawHave you seen this docu. series ? https://wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Start_Your_Own_Country ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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April 30, 2013, 11:21:15 PM |
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interesting. Still it seams like this provision mostly deals with war crimes. So its sort of like what i said, if you piss them off too badly they will just go to war with you. Basically the point of universal jurisdiction is to lay out some clear cut guidelines for what sorts of issues it is ok for a sovereign to start a war over. at least thats its stated intention, i have no idea what the real intentions might be (since these two things are rarely ever the same) Indeed. I guess I really meant that it was not strictly true. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Perhaps all aspiring pirates should also read: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostes_humani_generisPublic International Law is also relative and interesting. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_international_lawHave you seen this docu. series ? https://wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Start_Your_Own_Country ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) strictly seeking i was incorrect and you were correct ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 30, 2013, 11:45:03 PM |
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I love the idea. but if you are targeting the Caribbeans as a location, make sure you are not withing the traditional path of any hurricanes. Zoom in on google map around places like Barbados or even further down like Grenada. this is where it should be. The other major problem is security. Pirates of the Caribbeans is not a movie. Then beside the pirates you have the narco traffickers from South America targeting Europe via the Caribbeans too. For this bubble to be realistic it would need a very strong shell.
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May 01, 2013, 06:52:30 AM |
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i'll jump on this boat... err, island
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May 01, 2013, 03:20:23 PM |
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The idea should be something more like the 'Free State Project'. You get enough anarcho-capitalist bitcoiners in a small town to become a majority.
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I'm grumpy!!
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May 01, 2013, 05:18:13 PM Last edit: May 01, 2013, 05:51:05 PM by BitSmile |
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The problem would be with Canada letting you declare independence...Still, we can try. I can donate some btc EDIT: I didn't know about this until yesterday: http://www.wirtland.com/What about something like it?
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May 01, 2013, 06:02:18 PM |
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To give you a better idea of what it will require to actually build this community, and to give me a better idea of the number of you who might be seriously interested, I have added a poll. Please vote. For those of you who have messaged me for more info, and actually answered a few of the questions and let me know a little about you, I will open a thread today in the Project Development section for collaboration. I've messaged you with info on what I need from you moving forward. It is. But that is just a stock photo, not necessarily the island I have in mind.
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May 01, 2013, 06:09:57 PM |
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Then beside the pirates you have the narco traffickers from South America targeting Europe via the Caribbeans too. For this bubble to be realistic it would need a very strong shell. Ya man, pirates would come and take your money and rape your women... You would have to hire a well-armed militia... see John Mcafee Experience. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blessthisstuff.com%2Fimagens%2Fstuff%2Fjohn-mcafees-last-stand-3.jpg&t=665&c=fjiMhn-89fdI2A)
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