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Author Topic: Which coin/s are (Dash, Monero, ZCASH) are TRULY anonymous?  (Read 1582 times)
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March 19, 2017, 09:22:13 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?
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March 19, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

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March 19, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).
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March 19, 2017, 09:44:19 AM
Last edit: March 19, 2017, 06:15:58 PM by generalizethis
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).

Dash depends on masternodes to provide their mixing: IE you are trusting that a few people don't control a % of the masternodes and are colluding on revealing information.

Zcash had a initial trusted setup where you are depending that those involved to destroy information in order not to collude to make more coins--also a bug could create more coins and no one would know.

Monero (and a few other cryptonote coins) has mathematically provable security that doesn't depend on you trusting a third party to reveal information--doesn't matter what happened to thankfulfortoday, it's still opensource and you can test the cryptography yourself.

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March 19, 2017, 09:48:38 AM
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Dash is definitely not better for anonymity than Bitcoin.

Monero is quite anonymous.  While Bitcoin users generally ask you not to reuse addresses, Monero enforces this.  It also makes use of different signatures which obscure what can be seen about the transaction.  However, Monero is under investigation by authorities and you should never trust that your preferred currency will be entirely safe.

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March 19, 2017, 09:51:56 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

Which is bullshit of course, Dash is both decentralized with its miners and its masternodes and has a trustless setup:





This just proves that generalizethis can not be trusted with regards to statements about Dash.

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March 19, 2017, 09:54:25 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).

Original Monero dev left because he got voted out. He wanted to merge mine what was Bitmonero at the time so the eleven of us or so in irc voted against it forked the repo and renamed to Monero. By voted out I mean binaries of each were available to all and not many went with his fork.

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March 19, 2017, 09:57:41 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

Which is bullshit of course, Dash is both decentralized with its miners and its masternodes and has a trustless setup:





This just proves that generalizethis can not be trusted with regards to statements about Dash.


Arguing that we should trust Evan to redistribute his coins is sheer stupidity and demonstrates dash's failure as a serious solution to privacy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828769.msg18217872#msg18217872

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March 19, 2017, 10:15:36 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

None of them are truly anonymous it already proved about listed coins transaction can be traced. Only the game is going on about this we are in anonymous war phase soon this will be over.
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March 19, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?
All transaction can be traced. So nothing is more anonymous than other
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March 19, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
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The anonymity of zcash could make is vulnerable to bugs and difficult to detect in a long time, until alot of damage had bee made. Anonymity has its disadvantages
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March 19, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

With Dash you have an open ledger just like Bitcoin (Dash is forked from Bitcoin for compatibility reasons), but you can choose to mix your funds with other users
through a decentralized and trustless system thats actually inside your wallet and you can build up a private amount in there.
This can be done from 1 to 8 rounds, with 8 rounds forming to strongest anonymity.

You can then PrivateSend an amount from your builded-up private amount to another address and the transaction history trace will be obfisquated,
making it extremely difficult to trace your transaction on the open ledger by third parties.

Monero and Zcash are anonymous cryptocurrencies by nature, the option to provide traceable transactions for all to see is lacking there.
  
With Dash Evolution you will have different type of accounts (spending, saving, private). The private account will automatically and instantly gets mixed with other users
and be ready for use. Dash Evolution is scheduled for the end of this year, with an alpha release scheduled mid summer.  

link : https://www.dash.org/evolution/

  

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March 19, 2017, 10:52:40 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

You should look at Byteball
https://byteball.org/Byteball.pdf
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.0
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March 19, 2017, 11:00:06 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).

Dash depends on masternodes to provide their mixing: IE you are trusting that a few people don't control a % of the masternodes and are colluding on revealing information.

Zcash had a initial trusted setup where you are depending that those involved to destroy information in order not to collude.

Monero (and a few other cryptonote coins) has mathematically provable security that doesn't depend on you trusting a third party to reveal information--doesn't matter what happened to thankfulfortoday, it's still opensource and you can test the cryptography yourself.

but the received with monero has no way to say that he received the coin from someone, there is no proof with complete anonimity, and this make sending money to someone malicous very dangerous, because he can say declare the false like saying that the coins are not arrived or something, how is monero dealing with it?

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March 19, 2017, 11:11:30 AM
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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).

Dash depends on masternodes to provide their mixing: IE you are trusting that a few people don't control a % of the masternodes and are colluding on revealing information.

Zcash had a initial trusted setup where you are depending that those involved to destroy information in order not to collude.

Monero (and a few other cryptonote coins) has mathematically provable security that doesn't depend on you trusting a third party to reveal information--doesn't matter what happened to thankfulfortoday, it's still opensource and you can test the cryptography yourself.

but the received with monero has no way to say that he received the coin from someone, there is no proof with complete anonimity, and this make sending money to someone malicous very dangerous, because he can say declare the false like saying that the coins are not arrived or something, how is monero dealing with it?

You can voluntarily show your end of the transaction with a viewkey--it's much like a receipt as with cash.

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March 19, 2017, 11:12:46 AM
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PIVx and BBR both have advantages over the ones mentioned in the OP

both have some disadvantages too... however these are both worth looking into for yourselves.

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March 19, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
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Which is bullshit of course, Dash is both decentralized with its miners and its masternodes and has a trustless setup:




This just proves that generalizethis can not be trusted with regards to statements about Dash.



Aren't a lot of those VPS hosts?
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March 19, 2017, 04:25:06 PM
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Wait until PIVX integrates libzerocoin protocol into existing POS (masternode/stake) structure. Best of all privacy/anonymous words.

500 TOR masternodes, 1200 IPv6 masternodes.

Anyone who doesn't Bittrex has almost missed the boat. Devs are progressing at a faster and faster clip.
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March 19, 2017, 04:45:02 PM
Last edit: March 19, 2017, 05:08:18 PM by generalizethis
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Which is bullshit of course, Dash is both decentralized with its miners and its masternodes and has a trustless setup:




This just proves that generalizethis can not be trusted with regards to statements about Dash.



Aren't a lot of those VPS hosts?

Yes, and qwizno is aware of this fact (as it's been pointed out many times, as recent as days ago--see link) and he chooses to ignore it and to continually post graphics that are meant to fool noobs.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828180.msg18212134#msg18212134

Qwizno, he's still waiting for an answer--it's only a rhetorical question if you are full of shit.

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March 19, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
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Zcash,Dash,monero all three are anonymous with respect to transaction but to call anyone of the more anonymous upon other is a waste..You will definitely find someone giving some explanation but at the same time another person can converse the fact. So different people different interpretations.


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