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July 08, 2017, 11:25:39 PM
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Are SONM investors kids or charities? Why would someone buy tokens at 4800 sat and would it pour below that price? Because? What's the logic in this? It's notable that many did not know how to handle the Ethereum wallet! I don't know if this kind of person is interesting for a project that promised so much! SONM is an ambitious and precise project of interested people! Lay people should be the last to enter contact, because they will be consumers, but to consume it's necessary to have a product, the SONM product is not ready yet!
yes but you get litle bit upset when you support an  ico  team and pay 4800 each coin and after few days you see  same coin on exchange at 1000 sat the  lower , 80% less . That sound strange to me....that was not fair ico from dev team 100% sure they have played dirty game and did not liked! So, for me this is last ico i will support from ukranian or russian or east european country...
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July 08, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
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So here is the email I just sent now after being asked to send an email to yet ANOTHER sector of SONM. The part where I detail my problem with links to all transactions in all blockchains, and where I prove ownership of BTC address that invested, is below the initial part, all detailed and calculated, so there is no excuse at all to solve this. I don't trust this company, they should refund non-ethereum contributors who are unsatisfied just like they did with the pre-ICO.

I PM'd the copy of this email to these sonm_comunity profiles here in forums also.

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Hello SONM Support, Bonus and Info (I'm sending email to all of these addresses),

Unfortunately you didn't solve my problems, they are crystal clear written below (read them below), and you keep sending me to several different emails without solving anything, your bonus sector does not answer and your support sector does not support, last email today your support asked me to write to info@sonm.io, you are sending me now to that place, then to that other place without addressing anything. Your support goes to forums to ask us to send emails and they are never answered.

You lost my trust, the better you could do would be to give my 2.63136938 BTC back. You gave the money back to pre-ICO and even gave them 4 times more token, why are they so especial? You harmed ICO participants who invested with non-ethereum coins, who are treated like second class investors having the worst exchange rates and bonuses, and your company is losing credibility because of that.

You released your tokens without solving your ICO problems, thus bankrupting all the ICO investors who are watching their investments going downhill in exchanges. You made us lose money.

You helped pre-ICO investors, why can't you do the same for ICO investors? We are as important, or even more, than the pre-ICO ones. Why don't you give my 2.63136938 BTC back, and money back to non-ethereum contributors who might be unsatisfied and bring this whole charade to an end?

(1º investment)

I sent 0.63 BTC from my address 12ykdPSPBj8Yo7QNfXpEAwkd2LQrSWfYEA (signature at the end of email) to the address: 1SnMfzJef62gv4jByDijAa6mNRngYb9MR

My ETH address: 0x9C9582FB1b6e1e22F4C09F86fDa41681241d590f

As you can see in the Bitcoin blockchain, I sent the transaction at 17h40m8s UTC

https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3e8514274752b18c369877ea5dff0779f70567763cd99fc2ca28231ad5fa1654

At this point there was 7,5% bonus still available, as we can see in this transaction sent at 17h40m29s UTC, after mine:

Ethplorer: Transaction hash: 0x9d8c3b414b5e78cd0d90dc13969f46644551ce8327e8bea529a230a66b284483

There we verify 2,944.726 / (0,97*2824) = 1,075, that is, the person got 7,5% more tokens.

I sent 0.63 BTC and average price was 2363,71 USD at that moment, so I sent 0.63*2363,71=1489.14 USD (check: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#charts)  **Coinmarketcap uses all available exchanges to give the average price, you didn't provide any information over the exchange you used**

Now, I'm absolutely sure that your website was showing exchange rate 1 USD = 9 SNM.

This means my tokens should have been SNM = 9 * 1.075 * 0.63 * 2363.71 = 14,407.403377

I got credited only 12,376.8019546627 SNM, and even without any bonus this number is far too low.

(2º investment)

I sent also a second transaction at 08h04m24s of june 17th, 2.00136938 BTC. Below this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/8e7fdaedd1af60a5799dc6b3aac7160a37cd60c5486c210045e2a149a5aa86b0

The average price of btc was 2549.07 USD at that moment using coinmarketcap.
At that point there was no bonus anymore.

But again, I'm absolutely sure that your website was showing exchange rate 1 USD = 8 SNM.

This means my tokens should have been SNM = 8 * 2.00136938 * 2549.07 = 40,813.0451638128

You credited me only 37,740.00139638618 SNM.

So my total has to be SNM = 14,407.403377000 + 40,813.0451638128 = 55220,4455015128
You gave me a total of 50,116.8033510489 SNM and then wrong bonus of 195.81214. My wallet below:

https://ethplorer.io/address/0x9c9582fb1b6e1e22f4c09f86fda41681241d590f#pageSize=100

To make things even I should receive another 5103,6421504639 discounting for the 195.81214.
You said that you would respect the time the investment was made, as you can see above there is the timestamp of my transactions in bitcoin's blockchain, the first one with 7,5% bonus.

I also think that the exchange rate SONM was showing was very misleading. IF it was not intended to be like that why show an exchange rate and don't deliver it? Obviously I sent investment in BTC thinking the price of BTC would be count using that exchange rate to give me SNM tokens.

For ethereum was very clear 1 ETH = 2824 SNM, and right beside it written 1 USD = x USD !! So of course anyone would think that they would be getting that exchange rate with non-ethereum coins!!!!

Bitcoin Address used to sign: 12ykdPSPBj8Yo7QNfXpEAwkd2LQrSWfYEA

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
My Ethereum address is 0x9C9582FB1b6e1e22F4C09F86fDa41681241d590f.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
IAE6aosChbQny1LvWP7smB2qWgTUCpjY2LEfU5f/NDfsLPCVeunKf0nAwuQP37kKIArwBAP5dg396vDBg1v7/Ko=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

They ever addressed you?

Nope. And they say issues are solved...

Greetings.

Let me try to explain the classic mistakes in your situation.
The most common mistake of all non-ETH investors is that tokens are credited according to the time of the bitcoin\altcoin transaction confirmation.
As you know, in all bitcoin-friendly services, you need to wait for confirmation of the transaction (in our case, 3 confirmations), and only after that transaction completes (for example, any exchange).

Bonuses are calculated not according to the time when you sent your funds, but according to the transaction confirmation time.

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(1º investment)

I sent 0.63 BTC from my address 12ykdPSPBj8Yo7QNfXpEAwkd2LQrSWfYEA (signature at the end of email) to the address: 1SnMfzJef62gv4jByDijAa6mNRngYb9MR

My ETH address: 0x9C9582FB1b6e1e22F4C09F86fDa41681241d590f

As you can see in the Bitcoin blockchain, I sent the transaction at 17h40m8s UTC

https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3e8514274752b18c369877ea5dff0779f70567763cd99fc2ca28231ad5fa1654

Yes, i belive that you send funds at 17h40m8s UTC, but it recieved at Jun 15, 2017 11:15:31 PM

PROOF
(https://blockexplorer.com/tx/3e8514274752b18c369877ea5dff0779f70567763cd99fc2ca28231ad5fa1654)

As you can see, in this case you made a mistake with the reference point. Which in this turn led to incorrect results of calculating bonuses.

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My ETH address: 0x9C9582FB1b6e1e22F4C09F86fDa41681241d590f

At this point there was 7,5% bonus still available, as we can see in this transaction sent at 17h40m29s UTC, after mine:

Ethplorer: Transaction hash: 0x9d8c3b414b5e78cd0d90dc13969f46644551ce8327e8bea529a230a66b284483

There we verify 2,944.726 / (0,97*2824) = 1,075, that is, the person got 7,5% more tokens.

If you're right, let's try to figure it out together. What do I do for this? I compare your transaction and the transaction of the investor, who, with your words, sent the money after you and received a bonus more than you. What i see next?

You:
(https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2665c1b47cf84453bfad5e3e9d6c2fe8e862909ad47fba0224107e3efe44a4af)
Your TimeStamp:
23 days 32 mins ago (Jun-15-2017 10:34:09 PM +UTC)

Him:
(https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9d8c3b414b5e78cd0d90dc13969f46644551ce8327e8bea529a230a66b284483)
His TimeStamp:
23 days 5 hrs ago (Jun-15-2017 05:40:29 PM +UTC)

As I see, the one you are talking about sent his money 5 hours earlier than you. It turns out that you are extremely inattentive, or you deliberately mislead everyone.

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(2º investment)

I sent also a second transaction at 08h04m24s of june 17th, 2.00136938 BTC. Below this transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/8e7fdaedd1af60a5799dc6b3aac7160a37cd60c5486c210045e2a149a5aa86b0

Let's check the transaction confirmation time again:

https://blockexplorer.com/tx/8e7fdaedd1af60a5799dc6b3aac7160a37cd60c5486c210045e2a149a5aa86b0

Received Time  Jun 17, 2017 11:05:32 AM

So, as you can see, the calculations that you made have a mistake at the moment which the payments were calculated. So, the BTC price, that you use is incorrect.

I see change BTC price at 17 june from 2685.19 to 2484.96 for 4 hours.


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July 09, 2017, 12:17:36 AM
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that is great thanks sonm team!
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July 09, 2017, 04:06:42 AM
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Quit whining about bonuses and let the thing actually launch.  All these whiners causing FUD dropped the price much further than their bonuses are worth and don't understand they're shooting themselves in the foot.

If you put in more than you are willing to lose, it's your own fault for not calculating the risk.
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July 09, 2017, 04:16:37 AM
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Greetings.

Let me try to explain the classic mistakes in your situation.
The most common mistake of all non-ETH investors is that tokens are credited according to the time of the bitcoin\altcoin transaction confirmation.

There is no classical mistake as you didn't say anywhere what would be the timestamp or criteria, you are conveniently choosing the time you imputed the transactions manually as will be clear from my comments below.

As you know, in all bitcoin-friendly services, you need to wait for confirmation of the transaction (in our case, 3 confirmations), and only after that transaction completes (for example, any exchange).

Yes I know that and my second transaction, the one I got more losses because of you, had 18 confirmations when I sent to your support an email saying I could not see it through. So you are not telling the truth as it will be clear below.

Only hours later the tokens were moved to my wallet, and your support sent me an email saying "hey, here is your tokens" right after the time the tokens were sent, just really right after, thus suggesting very strongly you did it manually.

Bonuses are calculated not according to the time when you sent your funds, but according to the transaction confirmation time.

Again, you didn't explain it anywhere and, again, I know very well tokens were not sent after 3 confirmations simply because I had much more than this and only hours after you sent the tokens. Looking at the very same links you posted below this will be proven.

Of course it makes sense that the tokens are sent within some confirmation in BTC blockchain, of course. But you didn't establish any parameter and you even said here that the timestamp of transaction would be counted. That's why I took the trouble to calculate for you the numbers you yourself, based on your own said parameters, could not calculate alone. Granted, not even the mined block time was respected by you as we will see below.

Yes, i belive that you send funds at 17h40m8s UTC, but it recieved at Jun 15, 2017 11:15:31 PM

PROOF
(https://blockexplorer.com/tx/3e8514274752b18c369877ea5dff0779f70567763cd99fc2ca28231ad5fa1654)

As you can see, in this case you made a mistake with the reference point. Which in this turn led to incorrect results of calculating bonuses.

You don't need to believe, it is in the blockchain so anyone can check. Since you like proofs, how about a real proof looking at my second transaction?

https://blockexplorer.com/tx/8e7fdaedd1af60a5799dc6b3aac7160a37cd60c5486c210045e2a149a5aa86b0

Look at the time it was mined: 2017-06-17 08:05:32 AM UTC.

Now look at the time you gave me tokens here:

https://ethplorer.io/tx/0xc35b15f53bf9a38586d4c86fdef227bca431a0e10fef0c279fdae9636b94685b#pageSize=100

You sent me tokens at 2017-06-17 12:46:20 PM UTC, almost 5 hours after my confirmation!! How do you explain that now??? This shows without any doubt you gave tokens the moment you chose, thus turning what could be a technical mistake in a convenient form of delivering less tokens, that's the only conclusion since you are incapable of admitting your mistakes and the big mess in your ICO.

If you're right, let's try to figure it out together. What do I do for this? I compare your transaction and the transaction of the investor, who, with your words, sent the money after you and received a bonus more than you. What i see next?

You:
(https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2665c1b47cf84453bfad5e3e9d6c2fe8e862909ad47fba0224107e3efe44a4af)
Your TimeStamp:
23 days 32 mins ago (Jun-15-2017 10:34:09 PM +UTC)

Him:
(https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9d8c3b414b5e78cd0d90dc13969f46644551ce8327e8bea529a230a66b284483)
His TimeStamp:
23 days 5 hrs ago (Jun-15-2017 05:40:29 PM +UTC)

As I see, the one you are talking about sent his money 5 hours earlier than you. It turns out that you are extremely inattentive, or you deliberately mislead everyone.

Do you think I and others are idiots? 10:34:09 PM +UTC is the time YOU imputed the transaction in ethereum blockchain. Do you really want to use the very thing I'm complaining about as an argument against me? Haha!

By your own example we see again how you screwed up the ICO. You sent those tokens only in Jun 15 at 10:34:09 PM UTC, but my transaction was mined in Jun 15 at 8:15:31 PM UTC. So, again, how full of bullshit are you? I'm so glad everybody is seeing how you guys lie and try to manipulate.

And you say I deliberately mislead everyone? You are a bunch of incompetent brats who got caught and now put the blame in who caught you. It is right there the time I sent the money, 17:40:08 UTC, there is nothing false about what I said moron, you came here and in slack to say the timestamp of transaction would be respected, the transaction was sent 17:40:08 UTC, period.

You, on the contrary, is deceiving people here on daily basis saying things will be solved in 1 or 2 days, for how long? Weeks. Then you say bonuses are solved, then they are not solved anymore. Geez! You just got busted once more above. Even disregarding the transaction time, and considering mined blocks time as YOU YOURSELF want, you sent me the tokens hours after, 2 hours and 19 minutes for the first one, 4 hours and 41 minutes for the second. The second I even had it accelerated half dozen times.

Let me put yet another proof of my honesty. The second transaction I asked for a time which was WORSE for me in BTC price, the price of BTC was worse the time I sent the transaction in comparison with the time you imputed it manually: 2549.07 USD was what I asked for the transaction at 08h04m24s AM of june 17th, you sent me tokens at 12:46:20 PM and BTC price was 2596.03 USD. Why I did it? Because I didn't want to con you, I want to put a fair request and that you gave me the correct exchange rate. How do you like them apples?

Let's check the transaction confirmation time again:

https://blockexplorer.com/tx/8e7fdaedd1af60a5799dc6b3aac7160a37cd60c5486c210045e2a149a5aa86b0

Received Time  Jun 17, 2017 11:05:32 AM

So, as you can see, the calculations that you made have a mistake at the moment which the payments were calculated. So, the BTC price, that you use is incorrect.

I see change BTC price at 17 june from 2685.19 to 2484.96 for 4 hours.

Yeah and you chose the worst exchange rate to give to me. That's why you keep ignoring the exchange rate issue. Why didn't you comment on that??? What was the exchange rate you used, hmm?

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Be more honest! Respect your investors! Give the money back and show you are not a greedy liar!
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July 09, 2017, 04:24:39 AM
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I have accepted the fact that I lose the $4500 I put into this project.

Oh well... live and learn. Expensive lesson, but glad I only did a small amount of Eth.


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July 09, 2017, 04:33:33 AM
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I have accepted the fact that I lose the $4500 I put into this project.

Oh well... live and learn. Expensive lesson, but glad I only did a small amount of Eth.


Time to go to these guys' houses and deal some baseball bat justice  Cool Cool

I'm sorry this is affecting your investment. I don't know you, but I've been in your shoes. I myself lost 6500 to 7000, but I think everybody must know where they are stepping in. The dishonesty and greed of this ico is absurd.

For those all too worried about the fucking prices, just wait this hit bittrex, them you will be able to dump the tokens you bought there, including the ones you are doubling down in liqui because of the "fud".
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July 09, 2017, 04:42:41 AM
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SONM is verified on etherscan now. Check yourself. It's good sign, isn't it?

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July 09, 2017, 05:31:58 AM
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I asked sonm support something about my ico purchase and they answerd quit fast. I have no problem with their help/communication.

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July 09, 2017, 05:50:11 AM
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glad the mess happenend, got the tokens with 50% discount on yobit.
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July 09, 2017, 05:52:04 AM
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glad the mess happenend, got the tokens with 50% discount on yobit.
I don't know why you would want to jump on this burning boat...

From the get go this project has been handled less than impressive. 
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July 09, 2017, 06:00:05 AM
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When bounty hunter will be paid?
It's been too long, and they're hiding in the scam market (YOBIT), $ 40 million going where

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July 09, 2017, 06:06:39 AM
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glad the mess happenend, got the tokens with 50% discount on yobit.
I don't know why you would want to jump on this burning boat...

From the get go this project has been handled less than impressive. 

Didnt spend too much. just enough to own some. it is risky I know. but what fun without some risk as long I spend only amount I can afford to lose.
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July 09, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
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Too much FUD going on here, just HODL and give devs a chance.  They have no control of market prices.

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July 09, 2017, 08:49:32 AM
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Too much FUD going on here, just HODL and give devs a chance.  They have no control of market prices.

It depend on market how it move into which direction I also agreed with you dev team have good plan. This coin has pretty good chance to make bounce back after some release so buy is the good choice for strong believers.
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July 09, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
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Dude, EVERY ERC20 token not just SONM, chill out.

I'm a professional Spanish translator. Projects like WePower, Envion, Atlant, etc. Among others... are part of my portfolio. Hire me or sign me up as a bounty participant for your project!
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July 09, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
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When bounty hunter will be paid?
It's been too long, and they're hiding in the scam market (YOBIT), $ 40 million going where

the campaign manager promise us will pay the bounty this week .but seem he tell a lie !
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July 09, 2017, 09:31:56 AM
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We are heading towards next updates which are expected next week. Good to see most the issues have been sorted out and now team can focus on development and distribution of bounties over the next few days. It is best time to increase the stock at under ICO price level.
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July 09, 2017, 10:54:23 AM
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Is it true that another of the SNM devs has left?
source: liqui.io troll box.

Can you give us some updates on whats actually happening with the team?
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July 09, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
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I have accepted the fact that I lose the $4500 I put into this project.

Oh well... live and learn. Expensive lesson, but glad I only did a small amount of Eth.


Time to go to these guys' houses and deal some baseball bat justice  Cool Cool

I'm sorry this is affecting your investment. I don't know you, but I've been in your shoes. I myself lost 6500 to 7000, but I think everybody must know where they are stepping in. The dishonesty and greed of this ico is absurd.

For those all too worried about the fucking prices, just wait this hit bittrex, them you will be able to dump the tokens you bought there, including the ones you are doubling down in liqui because of the "fud".

Greetings!

What are you talking about? What are the 6500-7000 $?

Everyone can see what you are complaining about, this is the other side of the public reprimand. Everyone can see that you have about 50,000 tokens, and you complain that you are not credited with about 5000 tokens. That is, in fact, even if you take into account the fall in the price from ICO, then your possible losses are = (ICOprice - RightNowPrice) * 5000 = $ 30.

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