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[Robofus]

My activity has increased in response to the higher number of posts than usual and because it is a critical month for the project. I do try to remain objective in my responses but some emotion is likely to slip out from time to time. If you have the time, PM me which statements you considered irrational and I will try to reword them into a more rational state.

It's wonderful, you always avoid the most important questions and told that you are more active because of the increased activity.

Yet even when there was only one message, you did not reply.
You could have explained yourself before, (as long as it was possible to save ECA) instead of continuously selling the premine without answering.

Too late now.

[Just4E01]

I have sent all remaining funds that were promised

You only sent a fraction of the total premind E01! Everyone knows the power of the blockchain:

CF exchange deposit address of E01, direct deposit from premine wallet: http://electraexplorer.info/address/EeUZHkxP12NQtsZzDZZzzkQ76BM9PG8ZNL

1,137,909,766 More than 1 billion but you send only 197 mil one day ago to the foundation?

This confirms that you are trying to be 'the good guy' but you arent!
Such a noob

Ps
Made a BT account specially just to reply for your crap on a beautiful Sunday!
Lmao

[12dima12]

E01 - let's assume the following scenario:

The foundation decides to give up the project and is dissolved. The funds held will be returned to you (the creator of the project).
What happens after that??
Will you lead the project as creators or do we have to assume that the project will be buried.
Please answer the question explicitly.

As we know, you acted out of premonition and sold Premine-Stake funds before anything happened.
Please state what happens to the currency you received for the sale?

What would happen to it if ECAP hadn't come about?

[Electra01]

I have sent all remaining funds that were promised

You only sent a fraction of the total premind E01! Everyone knows the power of the blockchain:

CF exchange deposit address of E01, direct deposit from premine wallet: http://electraexplorer.info/address/EeUZHkxP12NQtsZzDZZzzkQ76BM9PG8ZNL

1,137,909,766 More than 1 billion but you send only 197 mil one day ago to the foundation?

This confirms that you are trying to be 'the good guy' but you arent!
Such a noob

Ps
Made a BT account specially just to reply for your crap on a beautiful Sunday!
Lmao

I have already replied to a similar statement made a few posts ago.

[Electra01]

E01 - let's assume the following scenario:

The foundation decides to give up the project and is dissolved. The funds held will be returned to you (the creator of the project).
What happens after that??
Will you lead the project as creators or do we have to assume that the project will be buried.
Please answer the question explicitly.

As we know, you acted out of premonition and sold Premine-Stake funds before anything happened.
Please state what happens to the currency you received for the sale?

What would happen to it if ECAP hadn't come about?

If the foundation is dissolved and funds returned to me, then the project will go back to the initial objectives listed in the OP.

Premine is for the project, stakes are not. If ECAP hadn't come about this would have still been the case.

[Robofus]

Why are you still ignoring the questions? It doesn't work in public and you prove to be a scammer and manipulator.

for example

why do you say that the stakes of the premine do not belong to the premine (and therefore to the foundation) when you said you should cover $ 1000 in 2017? and only need 100 million at this price (2017 price lol)  so why did you sell 700 million stakes for your personal account?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848351.msg21138302#msg21138302

Ps: if you take over the foundation you will have to show yourself publicly, don't forget that many people expect that from you 

[Electra01]

E01 - let's assume the following scenario:

The foundation decides to give up the project and is dissolved. The funds held will be returned to you (the creator of the project).
What happens after that??
Will you lead the project as creators or do we have to assume that the project will be buried.
Please answer the question explicitly.

As we know, you acted out of premonition and sold Premine-Stake funds before anything happened.
Please state what happens to the currency you received for the sale?

What would happen to it if ECAP hadn't come about?

Funds returning to me from the foundation is unlikely.

Article   11   –   Dissolution

2.   After   dissolution,   the   foundation   will   remain   until   the   financial   balance   is   0.

5.   If   the   foundation   has   a   surplus   on   the   financial   balance,   the   remaining   finances   must   be   spent   on   the   sustainability   of   the   foundation   where   possible.

[Robofus]

You must have missed my message again, surely a coincidence. Every time you avoid answering this question you make your case worse.

Why are you still ignoring the questions? It doesn't work in public and you prove to be a scammer and manipulator.

for example

why do you say that the stakes of the premine do not belong to the premine (and therefore to the foundation) when you said you should cover $ 1000 in 2017? and only need 100 million at this price (2017 price lol)  so why did you sell 700 million stakes for your personal account?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848351.msg21138302#msg21138302

Ps: if you take over the foundation you will have to show yourself publicly, don't forget that many people expect that from you  

in your last answer you also "forget" to answer that

Please state what happens to the currency you received for the sale?

What would happen to it if ECAP hadn't come about?

[12dima12]

If the foundation is dissolved and funds returned to me, then the project will go back to the initial objectives listed in the OP.

Premine is for the project, stakes are not. If ECAP hadn't come about this would have still been the case.

It looks like the foundation will be dissolved and you as the founder will get the premine back if no new members are found.
https://twitter.com/ECA_Foundation/status/1333155433662590981?s=20

You say ECA will stick to the old goals.

Who will take care of the project?
Who will develop further?
Who will pay for and maintain the infrastructure?

I ask for a transparent contribution or you come online in Telegram / Discord to talk to the community in real time.

[BitJack77]

Allow me to quote some part of the ECA Foundation statement which you can find here: https://electrafoundation.medium.com/foundation-statement-with-regards-to-recent-developments-within-the-eca-project-b46be4a902f6

The statutes also state that all ECA members can apply to become a board member. If you are interested in this position, you can email us at foundation@electraproject.org . Please be aware that one of the criteria to become a board member is that physical identification at a Dutch notary is mandatory.

So I would like to see this project continue and than may compete with ECAP, would the best survive. I will hodl both.

[botero974]

And here we are, what had to happen happened.
I carried this project for over a year, during my disappointment I thought I could count on either the so-called community or at least on those who formed the foundation but unfortunately my hopes are quickly dashed, when E01 in the exchanges we had he literally despised me
While it is ECA, ECAP and maybe tomorrow another split an ECAP + I take no risk to say that the mass is done and still hundreds of investors who will be plucked
what a waste but we could expect better with this bunch of opportunists

[12dima12]

You are forking all Electra Stuff from Github but you cant reply here?

[Electra01]

If the foundation is dissolved and funds returned to me, then the project will go back to the initial objectives listed in the OP.

Premine is for the project, stakes are not. If ECAP hadn't come about this would have still been the case.

It looks like the foundation will be dissolved and you as the founder will get the premine back if no new members are found.
https://twitter.com/ECA_Foundation/status/1333155433662590981?s=20

You say ECA will stick to the old goals.

Who will take care of the project?
Who will develop further?
Who will pay for and maintain the infrastructure?

I ask for a transparent contribution or you come online in Telegram / Discord to talk to the community in real time.

Forking Electra was a big priority. If the current code was hidden from me, the project would have died for sure.

I will pay for the new critical infrastructure if needed.

My initial objectives are almost finished. When they are, I will not have additional goals.

If new replacements are chosen in the foundation, I will very likely accept that they stay in charge of the funds. If the foundation is dissolved, I will use the funds to pay for the new infrasructure and complete the objectives. If any funds remain after the objectives are complete I will give a grace period of 6 months for a new foundation to be set up and if a new foundation is not set up I will assume the users are not interested to take the project further and will donate the rest of the pre-mine to charity and provide evidence of it.

[ecapscam]

So it seems like little progress is being made with regards to making things right for the investors. This feud between the two sides has left many investors with nothing and a project that has been stolen away from them. To claim that this other project is "new" is laughable, it is literally everything that ECA was and promised to be. It is simply a slight rebranding with everything else being the same.

There are options available to make the situation right and they know it, it is simply a matter of taking action.

[Just4E01]

You really believe that people will invest in your forked project E01 so you can do it all over again?
How stupid are you?
Even a donkey doesnt bump twice. Lmao

Once a scammer -> always a scammer

ECAP is the real thing with real passionate devs not you and never will be Öner/E01/Scammer!

[Electra01]

So it seems like little progress is being made with regards to making things right for the investors. This feud between the two sides has left many investors with nothing and a project that has been stolen away from them. To claim that this other project is "new" is laughable, it is literally everything that ECA was and promised to be. It is simply a slight rebranding with everything else being the same.

There are options available to make the situation right and they know it, it is simply a matter of taking action.

The other side is welcome back anytime, but at this stage, from the attitude they are showing, I assume they will continue with ECAP and therefore I must ensure ECA is prepared for the transition which I anticipate will be smooth. The current ECA stakeholders should assume that the upgrade to v3.0 will not go ahead for ECA as it is now intellectual property of ECAP and so ECA will remain on the current chain. Investors should also assume that ElectraPay, which was an initiative of the former team, will not be supported for ECA in the near future unless an agreement is reached with the ECAP team.

[Robofus]

The team and the devs migrate everything that was planned to ECAP, so no electrapay for ECA but just for ECAP.

Regarding your roadmap, it's interesting because you haven't done anything since 2017. And if this roadmap has no other objectives which will be added in the future we can consider the ECA as dead.

If you want to escape after finishing your roadmap you could have participated more actively with motivated and passionate devs instead of selling and being quiet and doing nothing.

I will not stop repeating my last message until I have an answer (3rd time) =

why do you say that the stakes of the premine do not belong to the premine (and therefore to the foundation) when you said you should cover $ 1000 in 2017? and only need 100 million at this price (2017 price lol)  so why did you sell 700 million stakes for your personal account?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848351.msg21138302#msg21138302

[Electra01]

The team and the devs migrate everything that was planned to ECAP, so no electrapay for ECA but just for ECAP.

Regarding your roadmap, it's interesting because you haven't done anything since 2017. And if this roadmap has no other objectives which will be added in the future we can consider the ECA as dead.

If you want to escape after finishing your roadmap you could have participated more actively with motivated and passionate devs instead of selling and being quiet and doing nothing.

I will not stop repeating my last message until I have an answer (3rd time) =

why do you say that the stakes of the premine do not belong to the premine (and therefore to the foundation) when you said you should cover $ 1000 in 2017? and only need 100 million at this price (2017 price lol)  so why did you sell 700 million stakes for your personal account?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848351.msg21138302#msg21138302

I get your point and now understand where the issue is stemming from. The first sentence is poorly worded. The word capital is very general. It is wrong to assume only financial capital. Other capital types that may apply are: individual capital and intellectual capital along with others.

Investment also has multiple definitions:
The action or process of investing money for profit.
An act of devoting time, effort, or energy to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.

I invested a lot of my individual, financial and intellectual capital into the project for the past four years. The stakes compensate me for this.

[IcathTrade]

I invested a lot of my individual, financial and intellectual capital into the project for the past four years. The stakes compensate me for this.

The only thing you did is spend the premine when you have accepted to.

You paid 0 server, you paid 0 website, you didn't participate to the calls, you didn't participate to the project management at all.

individual / financial / intellectual, how dare you?

you were not active at all, how dare you say this?

Asmoth, Master Den, Ruru, Jenova, Nashclay, Greg, Robert, Bob and others

These guys did all what exist today in Electra, they are the ones who made Electra a known brand.

They are the only one

[Robofus]

I get your point and now understand where the issue is stemming from. The first sentence is poorly worded. The word capital is very general. It is wrong to assume only financial capital. Other capital types that may apply are: individual capital and intellectual capital along with others.

Investment also has multiple definitions:
The action or process of investing money for profit.
An act of devoting time, effort, or energy to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.

I invested a lot of my individual, financial and intellectual capital into the project for the past four years. The stakes compensate me for this.

This answer is such a joke ...
you haven't done anything ... you haven't updated your weebly website roadmap since 2017.

You have no intellectual or blockchain knowledge.

You only think about your profit without ever participate to the project, you were really totally useless financially, intellectually and individually.

you simply take advantage of the naivety of the users to dump on them.

it is for this reason that I ask you to find a solution to resolve this issue and return all stolen BTC / altcoins to the community. -> you can send me a private message if you are really looking for a solution.

Eren this is your last chance, as you said you are not unknown. Otherwise then when certain things are done, there is no return.
I hope you take me seriously and realize the bad things you have done