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April 21, 2017, 07:53:20 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? |
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Eyedol-X
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April 21, 2017, 07:59:41 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? it would cost less to ship, thats for sure but they would have to greatly increase the cost of their boards to make reasonable profit on them. So you'd see something like $500+ with CPU/heatsink included to be profitable and make it worthwhile. I'd probably pay $400-500 for a custom board like that but not many would. Maybe we as a community put together something to show interest? |
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April 21, 2017, 10:35:50 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? it would cost less to ship, thats for sure but they would have to greatly increase the cost of their boards to make reasonable profit on them. So you'd see something like $500+ with CPU/heatsink included to be profitable and make it worthwhile. I'd probably pay $400-500 for a custom board like that but not many would. Maybe we as a community put together something to show interest? You would think they would make more profit by just selling the boards only. You could probably mass produce them and they are lightweight and easy to ship. We might just be giving them a million dollar idea.  |
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Truthchanter
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April 21, 2017, 10:12:31 PM |
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Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound
Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus |
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April 21, 2017, 10:49:04 PM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? For us yes for them no ########### ################ ##################### @Truthchanter I agree with them Dual mining with a panda is too risky |
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April 22, 2017, 03:37:15 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? For us yes for them no ########### ################ ##################### @Truthchanter I agree with them Dual mining with a panda is too risky Running ETH full speed with the MX is also not advisable since these chips were designed for notebooks etc. At best 28Mhs per card without dual mining seems stable. ZEC and XMR at full speed looks OK. |
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April 22, 2017, 06:48:56 AM |
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Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound
Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus As long as you do not overclock or even undervolt, the power consumption will not be higher. |
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philipma1957
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April 22, 2017, 12:11:10 PM |
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Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound
Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus As long as you do not overclock or even undervolt, the power consumption will not be higher. I disagree but maybe there are some settings that would work okay. my model 1 could dual mine and not over heat but I had stock bios. My cards did 28mh I could do some dcr and drop to 26.5 mh with 600h for the dcr. I used claymore which allowed for -ethi and -dcri I would do 5 and 40 but i mostly ran zec . as it used less power. |
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April 23, 2017, 11:45:53 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? For us yes for them no ########### ################ ##################### @Truthchanter I agree with them Dual mining with a panda is too risky Running ETH full speed with the MX is also not advisable since these chips were designed for notebooks etc. At best 28Mhs per card without dual mining seems stable. ZEC and XMR at full speed looks OK. Are you sure the B3+ is using MX cards? They look a lot bigger than other MX cards and 2-3x as big as Panda B1 model's cards. - You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this? Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit. |
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
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April 23, 2017, 12:12:14 PM |
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You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this?
Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit.
running a gpu flat out shouldnt hurt it. ive mined btc back in the day and did folding at home for years, so i pushed cards pretty hard. that being said i dual mine my cards. and i think most peoples problems when dual mining are card settings (like flashing new straps, OCing too much, overvolting them), cooling or power related. full disclosure.. i killed a msi 470 gaming x last week and it was dual mining at the time. cant say that directly killed it as my 4 other cards dual mine fine. and those cards are much older than the msi 470. the b3 panda gpus.. those look like standard short (itx sized) computer 470 pcie cards. just with custom heatsinks. |
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deadsix
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April 23, 2017, 12:17:35 PM |
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You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this?
Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit.
running a gpu flat out shouldnt hurt it. ive mined btc back in the day and did folding at home for tears, so i pushed cards pretty hard. that being said i dual mine my cards. and i think most peoples problems when dual mining are card settings (like flashing new straps, OCing too much, overvolting them), cooling or power related. full disclosure.. i killed a msi 470 gaming x last week and it was dual mining at the time. cant say that directly killed it as my 4 other cards dual mine fine. and those cards are much older than the msi 470. I've killed 5 RX 470's over the past 8 months and all of them were running VERY conservative clocks/volts, were adequately cooled, and were never dual mined with. Some cards just die, life of a miner. |
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April 24, 2017, 08:13:56 AM |
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What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?
good enough? or buy something else?
Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.
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ps_jb
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April 25, 2017, 03:57:30 AM |
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I've killed 5 RX 470's over the past 8 months and all of them were running VERY conservative clocks/volts, were adequately cooled, and were never dual mined with. Some cards just die, life of a miner.
Did you manage to exchange them under the warranty? |
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VoskCoin
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April 25, 2017, 04:23:51 AM |
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What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?
good enough? or buy something else?
Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.
Wondering on the thoughts on their PSU as well. |
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deadsix
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April 25, 2017, 06:21:26 AM |
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I've killed 5 RX 470's over the past 8 months and all of them were running VERY conservative clocks/volts, were adequately cooled, and were never dual mined with. Some cards just die, life of a miner.
Did you manage to exchange them under the warranty? Yes thankfully. And since I originally posted this, two more have left for the silicon afterlife  |
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dagarair (OP)
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April 25, 2017, 07:42:55 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? it would cost less to ship, thats for sure but they would have to greatly increase the cost of their boards to make reasonable profit on them. So you'd see something like $500+ with CPU/heatsink included to be profitable and make it worthwhile. I'd probably pay $400-500 for a custom board like that but not many would. Maybe we as a community put together something to show interest? I tried that. They will not sell the board when they are selling out of pandas every time. =*( |
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dagarair (OP)
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April 25, 2017, 07:45:28 AM |
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Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves? For us yes for them no ########### ################ ##################### @Truthchanter I agree with them Dual mining with a panda is too risky Running ETH full speed with the MX is also not advisable since these chips were designed for notebooks etc. At best 28Mhs per card without dual mining seems stable. ZEC and XMR at full speed looks OK. Are you sure the B3+ is using MX cards? They look a lot bigger than other MX cards and 2-3x as big as Panda B1 model's cards. - You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this? Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit. You can dual mine I just don't because I am out of power and can't afford to turn that on. I'll get you some watt testing on it later today. I would do DCRI like 16 I think. That dont effect ETH and mines DCR. |
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April 25, 2017, 07:46:25 AM |
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What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?
good enough? or buy something else?
Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.
I ahve a ton of them and the PS seems pretty decent. I would not hesitate to buy them if I were you all. 240V ONLY POWER SUPPLY be mindful of that. |
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slim87
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April 25, 2017, 09:10:27 AM |
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I also have a bunch of there PSU together with the B1 miner. All are running totaly okay since january now.
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Smuft
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April 25, 2017, 03:03:28 PM |
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What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?
good enough? or buy something else?
Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.
I ahve a ton of them and the PS seems pretty decent. I would not hesitate to buy them if I were you all. 240V ONLY POWER SUPPLY be mindful of that. I also have a bunch of there PSU together with the B1 miner. All are running totaly okay since january now.
What about efficiency? Have you guys tried plugging your Panda's into a brand name high rated PSU and compared the power usage? |
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