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April 19, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
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Hi, I started to mine Bismuth, install wallet on my  home pc and the miner is in the garage. I mine from yesterday evening but my wallet is still empty. Am i doing something wrong?
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April 19, 2018, 10:08:26 PM
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Also that a GPU miner took so long to get released to the public and only a handful of people mined most of the coins during that time makes it even less worth mining, I just bought some coins off the exchange.
at first it was very good to have one GTX1060 6GB getting some 1.797 coins a day then it became 1.57 then 1.368 then 1.231 then 1.145 and yesterday I failed to get me 1 coin to be paid in the morning Smiley still all dem coins can't even give ppl 12k sats a day now.
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April 19, 2018, 10:11:35 PM
Last edit: April 19, 2018, 10:22:38 PM by Renegade1979
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Hi, I started to mine Bismuth, install wallet on my  home pc and the miner is in the garage. I mine from yesterday evening but my wallet is still empty. Am i doing something wrong?
https://bismuth.coinsaurus.com/ has a 1 coin payout threshold. Their miner seems to lag less than some Eggpool that has minimum 10 coins payout. If that's the pool you're using that might be the problem.
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April 19, 2018, 10:29:11 PM
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hello, the ledger is only at  2 GB just now but if you wish to save space which is understandable, you can in config.txt set "full_ledger=1" to "full_ledger=0" and you will only use hyper.db (Hyper Blocks) which  is 69.6MB just now. When sending a tx and even a tx with data your fees are automatically taken away before you send your transaction, If your node says "connection to node lost" thats because you have tried to start your wallet before the node has finished doing the initial checks/DB Upgrades or is still syncing with the rest of the network. why don't you give the latest version  4.2.3.9 a go  Smiley  https://github.com/hclivess/Bismuth/releases
it seems my version is 4.2.3.9 but when the node is working it always synchronising with the newly found blocks in the background and sometimes the wallet disconnects from it by itself... Smiley
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April 20, 2018, 08:35:54 AM
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Hi, I started to mine Bismuth, install wallet on my  home pc and the miner is in the garage. I mine from yesterday evening but my wallet is still empty. Am i doing something wrong?
https://bismuth.coinsaurus.com/ has a 1 coin payout threshold. Their miner seems to lag less than some Eggpool that has minimum 10 coins payout. If that's the pool you're using that might be the problem.

Renegade1979:
Eggpool payout is 10 by default (so you pay less tx fees) but can be lowered to 1 BIS on simple request.
Miner lag experience is very subjective then. Egg miners say the opposite: lag under windows disappeared with latest version a few weeks ago, coinsaurus still lags.
As far as rentability goes, just compare and you will see which one pays more. (Hint: it's not coinsaurus, by a long shot)

Crypomad08:
Did you try moving the wallet to the garage, too?
Joke apart, the pool you mine on should have a dashboard with your shares, pending payouts and such.
Check this dashboard first, and if you have a question, head to the matching pool channel on discord : https://discord.gg/5Kn3zD4
But in any case, you'll have to trigger a minimum 1BIS balance and then payout time.


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April 20, 2018, 11:26:54 AM
Last edit: April 20, 2018, 04:31:18 PM by Renegade1979
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As far as rentability goes, just compare and you will see which one pays more. (Hint: it's not coinsaurus, by a long shot)
but Eggpool miner tells me I have some 600-700 MH/s with my GTX1060 and Coinsaurus miner shows around 1000, and pool worker stats jump up to 1300+ sometimes. Eggpool miner lags so hard because I mine at my primary video device and even my mouse moves with delay. I have no choice cuz integrated CPU video is not working... though it's not Xeon, it just got fried probably Wink
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April 20, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
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Ok, so you're mining with a single gpu and do other things at the same time.
Egg miner's goal is to give maximum performance and pushes the hardware. It's purpose is to mine on a dedicated rig, not to let the gpu rest.

By comparing, I meant comparing the rewards, not the displayed hash rate.
Won't argue on that here, the subject has been covered extensively on the discord a while ago.
idk why this pool decided to, but the two hash rates it calculates and displays (on miner and on pool, 2 different values) both have nothing to do with the real hash other pools are computing from the gpu miner itself, so it really can't be compared.

As for the lags, with a single gpu there's no reason it acts that way. Happy to help on discord if needed.

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April 21, 2018, 01:49:42 AM
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When a bigger exchange?
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April 21, 2018, 02:58:37 AM
Last edit: April 21, 2018, 05:51:03 AM by vv181
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When a bigger exchange?

I believe when the RPC implementation already been finished, new exchanges could not be a problem as stated by Gawlea.



It would be nice if Bismuth was listed on a popular exchange with good volume, so far cryptopia is the only decent one. Has anyone tried getting it listed on exchanges like Bittrex?

We contacted several exchanges, including Bittrex, but all refused us due to custom implementation. We hope this will change after the RPC implementation.
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April 21, 2018, 03:10:58 PM
Last edit: April 21, 2018, 04:21:51 PM by Renegade1979
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 Undecided It seems the node sometimes happens to report about some error in line 2436 though I'm not familliar with dat python thang to see the reason what's going on there https://image.ibb.co/n7r4mx/image.jpg but that was v4.2.3.9 so I gotta upgrade stuff
UPD that issue has been fixed with the latest version of the node Smiley
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April 22, 2018, 02:12:21 AM
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Undecided It seems the node sometimes happens to report about some error in line 2436 though I'm not familliar with dat python thang to see the reason what's going on there https://image.ibb.co/n7r4mx/image.jpg but that was v4.2.3.9 so I gotta upgrade stuff
UPD that issue has been fixed with the latest version of the node Smiley

So it's ok now? Hard to say what it was but I'm glad it's fixed- might have been some invalid mempool data, I've seen some recently incoming

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April 22, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
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When a bigger exchange?

I believe when the RPC implementation already been finished, new exchanges could not be a problem as stated by Gawlea.



It would be nice if Bismuth was listed on a popular exchange with good volume, so far cryptopia is the only decent one. Has anyone tried getting it listed on exchanges like Bittrex?

We contacted several exchanges, including Bittrex, but all refused us due to custom implementation. We hope this will change after the RPC implementation.

This might be a stupid question, but what does 'custom implementation' actually mean? is it that Bismuth was created from scratch and it's not a clone?
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April 22, 2018, 07:38:57 AM
Last edit: April 22, 2018, 09:07:29 AM by dobbel
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Ok so i decided to post my pool review, there are current 3 pools that i know about. 2 pools with 10% fee and coinosaurus with 5% accused of taking 8% by the other pools
I have mined on all 3 for a long period of time and my gpus are 4 Vega 56 1 Vega 64 and 3 1070ti

I started mining at Eggpool with 10% fee, my findings there was that the pool has good speed at Nvidia but the miner is almost non working state for my Vegas.
Also, the pool diff is very high so i found myself finding lots of shares in some rounds and very few in others and in many of those rounds with less shares there where more blocks
But this seems like the main pool for Nvidia Atm. But as my main gpu count is amd this was not working for me at all. Pool has great support in discord, and also the most current hash rate with majority of blocks found.
http://eggpool.net

So i tried
http://bis-pool.net/
This gave my instant way better hash and income on my AMD Vega cards, maybe 2-3 % less speed on Nvidia, but my income whent up 20-30% as my main gpu count is AMD, miner with this tuneup in miner. Wich makes a huge diff in hash rate:
<add name="gpu" platform="0" device="0" max_workgroup_size="1024" batch_size="24576" delay_between_batches="0" />
and add this lines for each card ofcourse and change device....
Pool have 10% fee, so i decided to run this for 4 days and see my average

and then ended up at coinosaurus
https://bismuth.coinsaurus.com, with 5% fee. This pool is claimed to have 8% fee and false reported hashrate in miners. Its giving about 20-25% better hash on both my nvidia 1070ti and my Vegas with this tuneups
miner_name=VEGA56
work_size_factor=8
cpu_damping_factor=0.8
I think i had to up cpu daming a bit on my 2x 1070 ti and worksize 7  to make it stabile there but rest is working with that tuneup
I got once i started mining there 10-15 % more income and peaked some day at 25% more income, this can be due to downtime at some pool, but this pool had also downtime in 1 hour now and then when i started mine there.
After running this 3 pools i ended up staying at coinosaurus, also due to low pool diff so it seems like a more fair distribution of blocks mined compare to eggpool. And are also the most transparent pool in my view. You will find zhram0 in discord bismuth channel for support here, even made custom miner for me so i have no complaints in support here either.

All pools have great qualities

I might be wrong in my review, but as miners you should run your own tests. And tune miners at best possible way..


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April 22, 2018, 08:34:35 AM
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When a bigger exchange?

I believe when the RPC implementation already been finished, new exchanges could not be a problem as stated by Gawlea.



It would be nice if Bismuth was listed on a popular exchange with good volume, so far cryptopia is the only decent one. Has anyone tried getting it listed on exchanges like Bittrex?

We contacted several exchanges, including Bittrex, but all refused us due to custom implementation. We hope this will change after the RPC implementation.

This might be a stupid question, but what does 'custom implementation' actually mean? is it that Bismuth was created from scratch and it's not a clone?
Yes, Bismuth is created from scratch, as you can read on the first page.

Bismuth does not draw any code from other repositories,
instead it reformulates the cryptocurrency code in its own terms
to be easily readable, compatible across all platforms, integrated into business solutions
with utmost ease and most importantly open for development to wide public through it's simplicity,
while minimizing the security risk for custom code implementations.[/size][/center]
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April 22, 2018, 09:28:30 AM
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Thanks for the review!

I'd like to point a few things:

2 pools with 10% fee and coinosaurus with 5% accused of taking 8% by the other pools
This is no more accurate. Coinsaurus now publicly admits to have 8% fees built in the miner, via randomly diverted shares.
Those were not accusation by the other pools, but facts checked by the bismuth team.

I might be wrong in my review, but as miners you should run your own tests. And tune miners at best possible way..

Agreed.
Your tests may not reflect the current state of the pools rentability. Don't take a single test, done at different times, as a stable comparison.
If you really compare again, you'll see that your results now will be very very different from what you report.


Also, what do you mean by "most transparent"? What is not transparent in Eggpool, what could I improve?

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April 22, 2018, 12:42:05 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2018, 02:48:09 PM by dobbel
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Thanks for the review!

I'd like to point a few things:

2 pools with 10% fee and coinosaurus with 5% accused of taking 8% by the other pools
This is no more accurate. Coinsaurus now publicly admits to have 8% fees built in the miner, via randomly diverted shares.
Those were not accusation by the other pools, but facts checked by the bismuth team.

I might be wrong in my review, but as miners you should run your own tests. And tune miners at best possible way..

Agreed.
Your tests may not reflect the current state of the pools rentability. Don't take a single test, done at different times, as a stable comparison.
If you really compare again, you'll see that your results now will be very very different from what you report.


Also, what do you mean by "most transparent"? What is not transparent in Eggpool, what could I improve?

I know you are working hard with miner and pool.. But what i found weird at your pool, is that it shows a flat hash rate, same as reported in miner and pool speed should be calculated by shares found not by miner itself... So when in some rounds i found very few shares(low speed at pool), lots of blocks where found. And rounds i found more shares(higher speed calculated) less blocks where found.. This could be solved by 2 hour rounds to even it out better, or maybe lower pool difficulty. It is more dependent with luck at current state of diff and rounds i believe, and not a 100% fair distribution of blocks found. As this happens a lot... I might be wrong man , not to old in this game but to me it looks unfair and luck are involved at payouts for each round..  But when in some rounds 12 shares found and other up to 24 its a lot with up to 50 % different for each round in shares found, would like to hear you opinion of this..  With lower diff the % would be way less if more shares where found..
You could also lower your fees
I also got significant improvment on other pools due to my main hash is AMD cards which your miner isn't very good at.
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April 22, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
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This might be a stupid question, but what does 'custom implementation' actually mean? is it that Bismuth was created from scratch and it's not a clone?
new algo, wallet and node made in Python, I'll bet you won't see anything like that on Earth. Really unique stuff to the point of each pool having its own custom miner. I've noticed yet another pool http://bis-pool.net/ and they have their own miner of course so that makes three
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April 22, 2018, 02:58:21 PM
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Any more detailed explanation of this project?
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April 22, 2018, 03:20:22 PM
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How to send funds to cryptopia.co using message?

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April 22, 2018, 03:27:40 PM
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But what i found weird at your pool, is that it shows a flat hash rate, same as reported in miner and pool speed should be calculated by shares found not by miner itself...

Well, I have to disagree. Hashrate is constant, depends on the gpu and settings only, does not depend on luck. So it's a stable metric for the miner software, when calculated in a fair way.
How is it weird to report what the miner effectively computes? Every fair miner does that.
On the pool side, found shares are what counts, and this metrics is shown on the pool, with historical graphs for each miner address.

So, I don't get the "transparent" thing. I do report both accurate hash from the miner and accurate shares from the pool.
All data is there, raw, for everyone. It's not on others.

So when in some rounds i found very few shares(low speed at pool), lots of blocks where found. And rounds i found more shares(higher speed calculated) less blocks where found.. This could be solved by 2 hour rounds to even it out better, or maybe lower pool difficulty. It is more dependent with luck at current state of diff and rounds i believe, and not a 100% fair distribution of blocks found. As this happens a lot... I might be wrong man , not to old in this game but to me it looks unfair and luck are involved at payouts for each round..  But when in some rounds 12 shares found and other up to 24 its a lot with up to 50 % different for each round in shares found, would like to hear you opinion of this..  With lower diff the % would be way less if more shares where found..

So, here you're talking luck and variance.
Yes, there is a large variance from round to round (1 round = 1 hour).

This variance is caused by 2 things :
- network variance (I added the graph of the net variance on the dashboard a few weeks ago). When netdiff varies, so do the blocks per hours for the whole net.
- your personal variance. The more hash you have, the less variance you'll experience. On average, you may be unlucky on some rounds, but then more lucky than average on others. On average, everyone luck is the same, so in the long run you can't loose every time.

I do agree that
- Lowering pool diff
- having rounds longer than 1 hour
would make the luck factor less visible.
I may lower the pool diff later on, but my priority it to have a stable and reliable pool, and I have somehow to adjust to the global net hashrate and to the average miner hash.
So yes, small miners see the luck factor more. But on average, it's the same.

I do not see a transparency issue there. The shares are what they are, I report what the miner sends, I can't influence your miner on sending less shares on a good round Cheesy.
pool shows graphs and share counts, miner has logs with found shares, all is transparent. Some others pools do not even provide that data.
I think I'm the pool providing the most data.
On the other pool, you don't even have the historical data to compare and see your luck from hour to hour...

You could also lower your fees

I could, but this is no transparency issue. Pool fees are displayed on the pool website.
They are not on the one you say is "most transparent".

I also got significant improvment on other pools due to my main hash is AMD cards which your miner isn't very good at.

Bis-pool miner may indeed be better suited for Amds and computes the hashrate in the miner the same way, so can be compared to EggPool.
The other one does not compute the hash rate in the same way, so the hashrate improvement you saw is not a real one. You were not comparing the same metric.
(Not a transparency issue neither from Eggpool: I say how the hashrate is computed - number of tested solutions per second - coinsaurus computes a different thing and does not say what nor how)


So, I do understand your concerns, mainly Amd efficiency and variance because of low hash.
I get it that another pool may give better results for your case (but do your tests again, I'm 100% sure it's not the one you believe it is) and that's ok with me.

Honestly, I just don't get the lack of transparency you hold against EggPool , and why you say the other pool, the most opaque one, is the "most transparent".

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