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May 09, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
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A day without a new coin was a bad day!
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May 09, 2013, 10:13:26 AM
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I guess at least one alternative is necessary.

Almost all of the alt-coins are there are going to be a waste of time.  They're being created to take advantage of people who get super excited about different things and then get pumped and dumped.

Be careful about wasting time with too many alt coins.
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May 09, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
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Altcoins can be quiet good, if you smell a pump and can buy in early.
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May 09, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
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If one of these alt coins would actually give more than a day long announcement before opening up mining (as well as bring something new to the table), it might help. Lately it seems like the new coins just pop up like SURPRISE, someone is already mining 5000 coins per hour! SURPRISE, an exchange has them! Then they mine at 400% + value for 12-24 hours, the first miners dump their 5000 per hour on the exchanges at massive rates and get out, leaving straggler miners to try to pick up the scraps as the price drops below profitability over bitcoin.
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May 09, 2013, 10:51:31 AM
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Oh and with the hashrate changes due to chain jumping, both the bitcoin and litecoin networks are left less secure in the process of weeding out the alts.
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May 09, 2013, 11:05:35 AM
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1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info or www.cryptocoinexplorer.com to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.1 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of http://www.bitmit.net, www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.2 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 1 or 2 successful payments of 0.1 or 0.15 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.



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Just post anything you want to sell for bitcoins or ask the seller to do the same about something you want to buy. The payment in bitcoins is sent to their escrow system. It's of no use for the buyer to lie about paying, because the page of the deal indicates automatically if the bitcoins were or weren't receive. If you are the seller and sent the goods to the buyer (for instance, another currency), once the buyer clicks item received, you receive the bitcoins from bitmit.net. If the buyer doesn't confirm that the goods were received, you write bitmit with evidence that you sent (like the transfer id) and they pay you fast. There is a 1.90% fee to pay.
http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/faq
You can also use http://btcrow.com, the fee is smaller: 1%.

Since this thread is a sticky, I decided to post this here. Any moderator or member feel free to move, copy or improve these rules at will.

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May 09, 2013, 01:10:59 PM
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Difficulty changes all the time with these altcoin... How to exchange these?
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May 09, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
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I actually feel that several of the other alt coins out there may have more potential than bitcoin even.  Litecoin for example is almost identical to bitcoin fundamentally, but can be transacted in 2.5 min to bitcoin's 10.  I also personally feel that alt coins with higher market caps may fare better in the long run, as they will run into fewer psychological barriers associated with high unit price.

That's not to say that the market isn't oversaturated with cryptocurrencies.  We need to see several of them fail.
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May 09, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
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I actually feel that several of the other alt coins out there may have more potential than bitcoin even.  Litecoin for example is almost identical to bitcoin fundamentally, but can be transacted in 2.5 min to bitcoin's 10.  I also personally feel that alt coins with higher market caps may fare better in the long run, as they will run into fewer psychological barriers associated with high unit price.

That's not to say that the market isn't oversaturated with cryptocurrencies.  We need to see several of them fail.

Exactly this. If we only rely on Bitcoin and that fails, all crypto-currency as we know it will fade.

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May 09, 2013, 03:24:58 PM
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I'm getting the distinct feeling that Feathercoin is a waste of time as far as alt-coins go. Anyone have any sort of opinions on that?
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May 09, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
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I'm getting the distinct feeling that Feathercoin is a waste of time as far as alt-coins go. Anyone have any sort of opinions on that?

Agreed. 

The only other coins (besides bitcoin, which wins by virtue of being older, proven, and noteworthy) worth the time IMHO are Litecoins, Namecoins, and  Devcoins which each bring something special to the table.  I see most other cryptos as cheap spinoffs doomed to fail.
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May 09, 2013, 04:56:56 PM
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I'm getting the distinct feeling that Feathercoin is a waste of time as far as alt-coins go. Anyone have any sort of opinions on that?

Agreed. 

The only other coins (besides bitcoin, which wins by virtue of being older, proven, and noteworthy) worth the time IMHO are Litecoins, Namecoins, and  Devcoins which each bring something special to the table.  I see most other cryptos as cheap spinoffs doomed to fail.

or been used in the future only for games and fun.
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May 09, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
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the only coins that are worthwhile long-term so far (imo) are bitcoins, litecoins, and namecoins. there's way too many altcoins now. it's getting pretty ridiculous with these jokecoins like bbqcoin and yac (yet another coin). people nowadays just see new coins as an opportunity to make a quick buck. i don't think anyone actually "believed" in chinacoins. hopefully we'll see some new coins in the future with actual merit.
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May 09, 2013, 05:56:16 PM
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I'm getting the distinct feeling that Feathercoin is a waste of time as far as alt-coins go. Anyone have any sort of opinions on that?

Agreed. 

The only other coins (besides bitcoin, which wins by virtue of being older, proven, and noteworthy) worth the time IMHO are Litecoins, Namecoins, and  Devcoins which each bring something special to the table.  I see most other cryptos as cheap spinoffs doomed to fail.

I'm just honestly wondering, what does Namecoin offer? I have some from merged mining, but I don't know what makes them special.

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May 09, 2013, 06:03:27 PM
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I'm getting the distinct feeling that Feathercoin is a waste of time as far as alt-coins go. Anyone have any sort of opinions on that?

Agreed. 

The only other coins (besides bitcoin, which wins by virtue of being older, proven, and noteworthy) worth the time IMHO are Litecoins, Namecoins, and  Devcoins which each bring something special to the table.  I see most other cryptos as cheap spinoffs doomed to fail.

I'm just honestly wondering, what does Namecoin offer? I have some from merged mining, but I don't know what makes them special.

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May 09, 2013, 06:10:01 PM
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The .bit domain system

Interesting, so it offers a peer to peer distributed DNS registration system?

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May 09, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
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The .bit domain system

Interesting, so it offers a peer to peer distributed DNS registration system?

http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page

I believe that's the best place to read about it.
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May 09, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
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The .bit domain system

Interesting, so it offers a peer to peer distributed DNS registration system?

yep, and it allows easy attachment of information in every transaction, a feature that could add an extra degree of mainstream usability to namecoins in a merchant atmosphere by allowing easy confirmation of payment, and stripping anonymity of payment when desired by both transacting parties.  
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May 09, 2013, 06:34:55 PM
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When will there be a new type of coin?  instead of SHA256 or scrypt?
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May 09, 2013, 06:37:45 PM
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When will there be a new type of coin?  instead of SHA256 or scrypt?


When someone creates it, though why do we need another type?
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