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Sikka157
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November 05, 2017, 02:34:44 AM |
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 Number of Participants above 1000 Onions: 37 Number of Participants above 2000 Onions: 18 Number of Participants above 5000 Onions: 7 Number of Participants below 100 Onions: 93 Number of Participants below 50 Onions: 82 Number of Participants below 20 Onions: 65 Number of Participants below 10 Onions: 42 Calculation for round 16 + future drops: Round 16 Top Holder - 100,583 ONIONS x 7.6% = 7.644.36 ONIONS received (the highest holder will have about 100K+ onions if he received 7k+ onions in a 7.6% rate.) New Participant - 100 ONIONS x 7.6% = 7.6 ONIONS received Round 17 Top Holder - 108, 227 x 7.6% = 8,225.27 New Participant from Round 16 - 107.6 x 7.6% = 8.17 New Entrant - 100 x 7.6% = 7.6 Round 18 Top Holder - 116,452.27 x 7.6% = 8,850.27 New Participant from Round 16 - 115.77 x 7.6% = 8.79 New Entrant - 100 x 7.6% = 7.6 Total After 3 Rounds: Total Top Holder - 24,719.9 New Participant from round 16 - 24.56 New entrant each week - 7.6 With these data at hand, we can clearly see from the calculations that the distribution leans more towards the large holders and early participants as there is a humongous gap between them and the post 16th airdrop participants (a thousand times more). It gets even worse as the coins they receive from the future airdrops would be multipliers for the succeeding ones. If this goes on, the coins would only be held by a handful from the top (above 1000, 2000, 5000 = which is just about 62 people in total). Now my question is, is this a healthy situation for Deep Onion in general? In my opinion NO, 62 people owning a very large percentage (which still grows as the weekly airdrops come) is a worse scenario than the hundreds of bitcoin whales that manipulate the BTC market right now. The airdrop should have been the solution for a fairer share for each and the vector for general mass adoption, but with the current system, it looks like it would make the DO whales a larger whale and the new participants would be left with dust particles of the Deep Onion supply. I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. Thank you for reciting this post. Sadly, I dropped out of DO Application for the first time and do not intend to buy 100 Onions just to take part at the airdrop. This is quite unhealty for the future of the coin, but I guess it will still gain a big value because of the already existing amount and the signature bounty. Good luck with deep Onion for the future! You could easily earn 100 Onions on the Deeppoints airdrop on Sunday. It is too late for tomorrow airdrop but if you actively participate in the community for a week, you can earn 100 Onions easily. The top performers this week are about to get over 500 onions in this airdrop. There are also a lot of people who will get 200 Onions easily. I tried myself, I wasnt too active but I am expecting 75-100 Onions tomorrow. |
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maxmad_x
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November 05, 2017, 02:57:15 AM |
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 < SNIP> I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. Thank you for reciting this post. Sadly, I dropped out of DO Application for the first time and do not intend to buy 100 Onions just to take part at the airdrop. This is quite unhealty for the future of the coin, but I guess it will still gain a big value because of the already existing amount and the signature bounty. Good luck with deep Onion for the future! You could easily earn 100 Onions on the Deeppoints airdrop on Sunday. It is too late for tomorrow airdrop but if you actively participate in the community for a week, you can earn 100 Onions easily. The top performers this week are about to get over 500 onions in this airdrop. There are also a lot of people who will get 200 Onions easily. I tried myself, I wasnt too active but I am expecting 75-100 Onions tomorrow. I would request you to keep the mods and the supporters out of this distribution and the recreate the whole calculation The reason for asking to analyze dat that way is 1) Mods and supporters put daily 6-8 hours in this community to make sure that everything is on track 2) You can consider Mods and supporter share as a "salary" than just an "airdrop" 3) Mods will lose all of their privileges if their balance goes < 10K at any given time 4) Same is true for supporters 5) Without higher benefit for the higher balance/holders there will be no incentive to buy onions from market 6) without increasing price there will not be any interest in holding onions which will spiral into the death of a wonderful project 7) By giving higher rewards to holders who have the highest power to dump the price to zero, we keep their interest in the project so the project and the holders have multually beneficial relationship which is necessary for any business Once again, I thank you for a good analysis. I would just like to see a revised version of the analysis and your response to reasonings above. If you have suggestions please let us know. We are always there to hear you out |
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November 05, 2017, 03:14:15 AM |
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Thank you for my first Airdrop coins!  Even if it was only 7 Onions Is there a list on how many Airdrop coins everyone received like before? How many Onions do you have if it's ok to ask? At average people got 7,5 percent of their current holdings as new Onions this airdrop. So if he got 7 new Onions then he should have had around 100 Onions in his Wallet before. Having to purchase at least 100 onions for the airdrop. The 7% return per week is already good. that's a total of 28% return per month. Personally this is already a good return of investment because you won't get this much even in banks. |
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November 05, 2017, 04:05:07 AM
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 < SNIP> I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. Thank you for reciting this post. Sadly, I dropped out of DO Application for the first time and do not intend to buy 100 Onions just to take part at the airdrop. This is quite unhealty for the future of the coin, but I guess it will still gain a big value because of the already existing amount and the signature bounty. Good luck with deep Onion for the future! You could easily earn 100 Onions on the Deeppoints airdrop on Sunday. It is too late for tomorrow airdrop but if you actively participate in the community for a week, you can earn 100 Onions easily. The top performers this week are about to get over 500 onions in this airdrop. There are also a lot of people who will get 200 Onions easily. I tried myself, I wasnt too active but I am expecting 75-100 Onions tomorrow. I would request you to keep the mods and the supporters out of this distribution and the recreate the whole calculation The reason for asking to analyze dat that way is 1) Mods and supporters put daily 6-8 hours in this community to make sure that everything is on track 2) You can consider Mods and supporter share as a "salary" than just an "airdrop" 3) Mods will lose all of their privileges if their balance goes < 10K at any given time 4) Same is true for supporters 5) Without higher benefit for the higher balance/holders there will be no incentive to buy onions from market 6) without increasing price there will not be any interest in holding onions which will spiral into the death of a wonderful project 7) By giving higher rewards to holders who have the highest power to dump the price to zero, we keep their interest in the project so the project and the holders have multually beneficial relationship which is necessary for any business Once again, I thank you for a good analysis. I would just like to see a revised version of the analysis and your response to reasonings above. If you have suggestions please let us know. We are always there to hear you out I agree with those points but i still believe there is something wrong with the way mods are calculated, takes these 2 cases: Take a very active mod (5x, not sure how many receives this or how much work it relates) with 30k coins gets a weight of about 5x10k + 20k*1.2 = 74k Now a normal user that received the same amount 30k (theres not alot of those yet) 10k + 20k*1.2 = 34k Now lets put that in the spreedsheet (cant remember who shared it), the results are like this: Mod: 465k at the end of the airdrop Normal user: 213k Thats a difference of 250k onions, for the 25 weeks that is left. At current price of 0.65$, thats is 165k$! For 25 weeks of work. If this is a salary, i think its a hell of a salary (avg of 6500$/week). If you think ive miscalculated some part, let me know, its possible that i dont grasp the whole situation. If im right, then im sure i wont be alone to think that this might be too much... I believe the heart of the problem is the support factor (because its non linear), i like the new formula and its weight concept thou since i think its an elegant way to fix the multiple accounts problem, preventing account harvesting... |
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placergold
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November 05, 2017, 04:16:14 AM |
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Why do developers not make airdrop for everyone who has an onion?
For example, as BTX. This distribution is more fair
What do you mean? isn't that the distribution is based on the onions you have? They limit a minimum amount I think they don't want to deal with so many residue accounts |
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tk808
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November 05, 2017, 04:21:33 AM |
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 < SNIP> I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. Thank you for reciting this post. Sadly, I dropped out of DO Application for the first time and do not intend to buy 100 Onions just to take part at the airdrop. This is quite unhealty for the future of the coin, but I guess it will still gain a big value because of the already existing amount and the signature bounty. Good luck with deep Onion for the future! You could easily earn 100 Onions on the Deeppoints airdrop on Sunday. It is too late for tomorrow airdrop but if you actively participate in the community for a week, you can earn 100 Onions easily. The top performers this week are about to get over 500 onions in this airdrop. There are also a lot of people who will get 200 Onions easily. I tried myself, I wasnt too active but I am expecting 75-100 Onions tomorrow. I would request you to keep the mods and the supporters out of this distribution and the recreate the whole calculation The reason for asking to analyze dat that way is 1) Mods and supporters put daily 6-8 hours in this community to make sure that everything is on track 2) You can consider Mods and supporter share as a "salary" than just an "airdrop" 3) Mods will lose all of their privileges if their balance goes < 10K at any given time 4) Same is true for supporters 5) Without higher benefit for the higher balance/holders there will be no incentive to buy onions from market 6) without increasing price there will not be any interest in holding onions which will spiral into the death of a wonderful project 7) By giving higher rewards to holders who have the highest power to dump the price to zero, we keep their interest in the project so the project and the holders have multually beneficial relationship which is necessary for any business Once again, I thank you for a good analysis. I would just like to see a revised version of the analysis and your response to reasonings above. If you have suggestions please let us know. We are always there to hear you out I agree with those points but i still believe there is something wrong with the way mods are calculated, takes these 2 cases: Take a very active mod (5x, not sure how many receives this or how much work it relates) with 30k coins gets a weight of about 5x10k + 20k*1.2 = 74k Now a normal user that received the same amount 30k (theres not alot of those yet) 10k + 20k*1.2 = 34k Now lets put that in the spreedsheet (cant remember who shared it), the results are like this: Mod: 465k at the end of the airdrop Normal user: 213k Thats a difference of 250k onions, for the 25 weeks that is left. At current price of 0.65$, thats is 250k$! For 25 weeks of work. If this is a salary, i think its a hell of a salary (avg of 10k$/week). If you think ive miscalculated some part, let me know, its possible that i dont grasp the whole situation. If im right, then im sure i wont be alone to think that this might be too much... I believe the heart of the problem is the support factor (because its non linear), i like the new formula and its weight concept thou since i think its an elegant way to fix the multiple accounts problem, preventing account harvesting... These are the types of calculations that were needed to shed some light on this matter. I didn't really take the time and effort to do such an investigative work for my post yesterday, but i think it basically ties in nicely to the thread i posted yesterday. There are those of you who guard and shield this coin and hold it sacred, then there are those of us who are shedding the real-world perspective on this coin. DeepOnion is a great coin, but with flaws that are hurting its future. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.msg23996415#msg23996415We aren't here to hurt DeepOnion devs/mods, we are shedding light on what's incorrect and what will stop DeepOnion from being great coin, not an OK coin. Instead of agreeing with someone who shares the same views/ideology as you, read the comments and negative responses and address them appropriately, which has not been done once, to my knowledge; other than maybe correcting the former airdrop rules? |
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placergold
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November 05, 2017, 04:26:04 AM |
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Number of Payouts: 368
Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS
Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS
Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.)
Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.)
Number of Participants above avg.: 117
Number of Participants below avg.: 251
Number of Participants above 1000 Onions: 37
Number of Participants above 2000 Onions: 18
Number of Participants above 5000 Onions: 7
Number of Participants below 100 Onions: 93
Number of Participants below 50 Onions: 82
Number of Participants below 20 Onions: 65
Number of Participants below 10 Onions: 42
With these data at hand, we can clearly see from the calculations that the distribution leans more towards the large holders and early participants as there is a humongous gap between them and the post 16th airdrop participants (a thousand times more). It gets even worse as the coins they receive from the future airdrops would be multipliers for the succeeding ones. If this goes on, the coins would only be held by a handful from the top (above 1000, 2000, 5000 = which is just about 62 people in total).
Now my question is, is this a healthy situation for Deep Onion in general? In my opinion NO, 62 people owning a very large percentage (which still grows as the weekly airdrops come) is a worse scenario than the hundreds of bitcoin whales that manipulate the BTC market right now.
The airdrop should have been the solution for a fairer share for each and the vector for general mass adoption, but with the current system, it looks like it would make the DO whales a larger whale and the new participants would be left with dust particles of the Deep Onion supply.
I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all.
Very interesting information for thinking about the structure of the community. I would very much like to hear what the developers think about this, or those close to them.  Yes, me too. I like the idea of a fairer distribution based on the coins a person holds, but it can't be good if onion exchanges can just be dumped completely if one person receiving 23k coins each three weeks decides to cash out In life there's nothing absolutely fair. The people who got a lot ONIONs in airdrop are two types of people: (1) people who bought a lot from the market (2) people who contributed a lot to the community, like mods and other active supporters who are there from the early airdrops. For me the distribution is perfectly fair. For those newcomers who did not do much, why you will expect to receive the same as other who contributed a lot? Also, if you really want a lot, there is one way to do it, buy from open market and thus show your commitment of the coin. I've been seeing so many whining in this thread. If you are not happy, you can find one coin you are happy with. From my experiences, if you don't give input, you won't get a lot output, that's the rule of nature. |
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placergold
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November 05, 2017, 04:32:52 AM |
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I would request you to keep the mods and the supporters out of this distribution and the recreate the whole calculation
The reason for asking to analyze dat that way is
1) Mods and supporters put daily 6-8 hours in this community to make sure that everything is on track
2) You can consider Mods and supporter share as a "salary" than just an "airdrop"
3) Mods will lose all of their privileges if their balance goes < 10K at any given time
4) Same is true for supporters
5) Without higher benefit for the higher balance/holders there will be no incentive to buy onions from market
6) without increasing price there will not be any interest in holding onions which will spiral into the death of a wonderful project
7) By giving higher rewards to holders who have the highest power to dump the price to zero, we keep their interest in the project so the project and the holders have multually beneficial relationship which is necessary for any business
Once again, I thank you for a good analysis. I would just like to see a revised version of the analysis and your response to reasonings above.
If you have suggestions please let us know. We are always there to hear you out
I agree with those points but i still believe there is something wrong with the way mods are calculated, takes these 2 cases: Take a very active mod (5x, not sure how many receives this or how much work it relates) with 30k coins gets a weight of about 5x10k + 20k*1.2 = 74k Now a normal user that received the same amount 30k (theres not alot of those yet) 10k + 20k*1.2 = 34k Now lets put that in the spreedsheet (cant remember who shared it), the results are like this: Mod: 465k at the end of the airdrop Normal user: 213k Thats a difference of 250k onions, for the 25 weeks that is left. At current price of 0.65$, thats is 165k$! For 25 weeks of work. If this is a salary, i think its a hell of a salary (avg of 6500$/week). If you think ive miscalculated some part, let me know, its possible that i dont grasp the whole situation. If im right, then im sure i wont be alone to think that this might be too much... I believe the heart of the problem is the support factor (because its non linear), i like the new formula and its weight concept thou since i think its an elegant way to fix the multiple accounts problem, preventing account harvesting... Indeed the mods are given very good conditions and rewards... but if I understand correctly, the dev team are hiring new mods all the time, if you have time and active and want to contribute more for the community, then you can become a mod and get the same reward as them. I personally think 5x reward is a bit too much, but something like 3x will be reasonable... |
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November 05, 2017, 04:42:45 AM
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Indeed the mods are given very good conditions and rewards... but if I understand correctly, the dev team are hiring new mods all the time, if you have time and active and want to contribute more for the community, then you can become a mod and get the same reward as them. I personally think 5x reward is a bit too much, but something like 3x will be reasonable...
I think you heard me wrong, my point wasn't to complain that i didn't had the same privileges. If i became a mod (lets assume i have the time and the will for it) then i would just make the problem bigger  As for 3x, this would give a weight of 54k (balance 30k) and at the end he would have 340k, so a difference of 130k above the one that has 30k and is not a mod. So this would be 100k$ above him for 25 weeks of work. Then an average of 4k$/week. Lets face it even without support factor at all, the normal guy ends at 215k which is still an increase of 185k coins over 25 weeks and its worth 120k$ (@0.65$) which is about 4800$/week. So even without it, someone that has 30k onions right now is doing a nice pile of cash. So the question in this case is: Why would a mod that invest his time would get the same amount of someone that a has 30k coins as well and doesn't invest his time!? Well i believe the answer is there is noone that could gather 30k coins without investing a large chunk of cash in it. Maybe someone investing 15k$ in onions could be threated with equal importance with someone that isn't investing money but his time? If i'm right, i believe there is a guy that invested 25k$ and received about 10k of airdrop, its zidane and i think he has around 40k coins now. So even without the core factor, i think he deserves it, he supported onions with 25k$! Thats what i like about this compared to ICOs, ICOs the only way is to invest money, onions allows someone to get coins with another type of resource, time, but this resource needs to be correctly evaluated in proportion with money! Time with a low value will bring low quality mods and too high will scare investors... Note: All those numbers could be reajusted with different rules and factors, im just trying to keep this simple... |
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crypto-rainbow (OP)
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November 05, 2017, 06:07:34 AM |
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 Number of Participants above 1000 Onions: 37 Number of Participants above 2000 Onions: 18 Number of Participants above 5000 Onions: 7 Number of Participants below 100 Onions: 93 Number of Participants below 50 Onions: 82 Number of Participants below 20 Onions: 65 Number of Participants below 10 Onions: 42 Calculation for round 16 + future drops: Round 16 Top Holder - 100,583 ONIONS x 7.6% = 7.644.36 ONIONS received (the highest holder will have about 100K+ onions if he received 7k+ onions in a 7.6% rate.) New Participant - 100 ONIONS x 7.6% = 7.6 ONIONS received Round 17 Top Holder - 108, 227 x 7.6% = 8,225.27 New Participant from Round 16 - 107.6 x 7.6% = 8.17 New Entrant - 100 x 7.6% = 7.6 Round 18 Top Holder - 116,452.27 x 7.6% = 8,850.27 New Participant from Round 16 - 115.77 x 7.6% = 8.79 New Entrant - 100 x 7.6% = 7.6 Total After 3 Rounds: Total Top Holder - 24,719.9 New Participant from round 16 - 24.56 New entrant each week - 7.6 With these data at hand, we can clearly see from the calculations that the distribution leans more towards the large holders and early participants as there is a humongous gap between them and the post 16th airdrop participants (a thousand times more). It gets even worse as the coins they receive from the future airdrops would be multipliers for the succeeding ones. If this goes on, the coins would only be held by a handful from the top (above 1000, 2000, 5000 = which is just about 62 people in total). Now my question is, is this a healthy situation for Deep Onion in general? In my opinion NO, 62 people owning a very large percentage (which still grows as the weekly airdrops come) is a worse scenario than the hundreds of bitcoin whales that manipulate the BTC market right now. The airdrop should have been the solution for a fairer share for each and the vector for general mass adoption, but with the current system, it looks like it would make the DO whales a larger whale and the new participants would be left with dust particles of the Deep Onion supply. I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. When you do the maths remember this is DeepOnion. Born to dominate! |
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crypto-rainbow (OP)
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November 05, 2017, 06:08:41 AM |
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We process bounties weekly and we have no limit! Just produce and enjoy being rewarded! |
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bykardinal
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November 05, 2017, 06:17:50 AM |
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Is that a must do step? or optional? If you want bounty for your article it is must do step. |
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crypto-rainbow (OP)
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November 05, 2017, 06:47:44 AM |
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Good news
more than 700 people seem to earn Deeppoints!
So we can distribute alot of more people Todays airdrop!
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crypto-rainbow (OP)
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November 05, 2017, 07:10:43 AM |
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If you dont have 100 $ONION to participate airdrops you can make it easy with DeepPoints!
0.1 Deep points will pay about 250 $ONION
Spread the word
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