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July 27, 2017, 09:10:53 AM
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Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  



Wow, winter is coming Grin get your popcorn and good luck with ICO
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July 27, 2017, 09:51:45 AM
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Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  


I wouldnt even answer every idiot. So much shit at your address..I see what I see. The app is good. I will invest. Just dont let me down!
 



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July 27, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
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OMG what a situation. I was absolutely shure that ZIber is cool and honest project and I can't understand for what you guys writing all these hatefull comments. Just stop trying to make a minus-reputation for really good project, it's just not fare for users of this forum.

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July 27, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

SIBCOIN - Russian beauty
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July 27, 2017, 10:34:28 AM
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I am working in baker street can i come and see your office now. It looks like your company is not registered in the address given in your site. I have downloaded your product it’s not working from last night why.

https://www.companieshousedata.co.uk/a/69


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July 27, 2017, 10:39:45 AM
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Ziber super project, I'm sure that the price of tokens will grow and will allow to earn all the participants of ISO. Team good luck and patience. Looking forward to the start! I used the product, I like everything very much.
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July 27, 2017, 10:40:32 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

Do you want me to walk into their address before the ico we can probebly save few innocent people. It’s hardly 10 minute walk for me.


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July 27, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
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Ziber super project, I'm sure that the price of tokens will grow and will allow to earn all the participants of ISO. Team good luck and patience. Looking forward to the start! I used the product, I like everything very much.

Good luck mate we will waite to see your millions profit.


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Ziber super project, I'm sure that the price of tokens will grow and will allow to earn all the participants of ISO. Team good luck and patience. Looking forward to the start! I used the product, I like everything very much.

Judging by the way this project is promoted in the Russian community, one can see the handwriting of professional divorce and deceivers. Do not associate your name with them.
And tell me what is ISO?

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July 27, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
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Wow, that's an interesting developments. Didn't visit forum for a couple of days but here is just BULLSHIT  .  Thus was obvious that somebody considers Ziber as a strong rival and just envies. Everything is paid, I'm sure. And Gamov has already written that he extorts bitcoins. .. I'm shocked,  there is no limit for impudence!
 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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July 27, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....
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July 27, 2017, 11:05:01 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

fake what???

here call +387 61 444 444

thats the number that called all day yesterday....

the guy clearly say that he wants us to leave him alone and that he went to police

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July 27, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

Fake in what sense can me and my friends come and see you guys in your office. I am just 10 minutes away from you. I saw you are inviting people to London I am just here. Can i have your number please.   


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July 27, 2017, 11:18:09 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

fake what???

here call +387 61 444 444

thats the number that called all day yesterday....

the guy clearly say that he wants us to leave him alone and that he went to police

Now it is a very busy time for our company.  All the numbers used belong to Ziber!
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July 27, 2017, 11:21:24 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

wow , so this project already get Demo to test ? that is very good

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July 27, 2017, 11:24:20 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

fake what???

here call +387 61 444 444

thats the number that called all day yesterday....

the guy clearly say that he wants us to leave him alone and that he went to police

Now it is a very busy time for our company.  All the numbers used belong to Ziber!

what the hell are you talking about?Huh what company? what number??

you hacked this guys telephone and used it as a gateway in our country!


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July 27, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

Fake in what sense can me and my friends come and see you guys in your office. I am just 10 minutes away from you. I saw you are inviting people to London I am just here. Can i have your number please.   

OK now. I'll take the number from the chief and give it to you. Little time
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July 27, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....


fake....

fake what???

here call +387 61 444 444

thats the number that called all day yesterday....

the guy clearly say that he wants us to leave him alone and that he went to police

Now it is a very busy time for our company.  All the numbers used belong to Ziber!

what the hell are you talking about?Huh what company? what number??

you hacked this guys telephone and used it as a gateway in our country!



If so, does the Ziber worked fine? is not it?
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July 27, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
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Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

LOL. You should first study the technical part, and then write. Now someone's number can not be used for calls. This will be available only after the ICO, when people themselves will want to rent their number. One more hater is detected  Grin

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July 27, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
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We are already at a low start, we will be happy to participate in the ICO. Team ziber, good luck to you and thank you for the work done. I hope you will continue to please us with your good product and opportunities for earning.

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