OGnasty has been compromised. |ID!0T|

[isoneguy]

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

OGnasty.

If the refund you processed does not involve me receiving my money then you still owe it to me.

I told you to refund the money in a manner that resulted in it returning to my wallet, if you can't do that then you're a failure as an illegal escrow agent of arizona.

Do you know how bounties work? They don't ever really go away...

[mammabitcoin2u]

3-Coinbase refunds go to THEIR HOT WALLET, not to some random user  

That's not how hot wallets work.

Users send bitcoin to their deposit address, which the site sees and credits to the user. Then the site uses those funds to process withdrawals (and consolidate and what not). Very often if you "return to sender" to a site with custodial control like coinbase, you'll just be sending money into some random users deposit address in which a user will get an unexpected deposit. That's not always the case though; it could also be a change address or consolidation one, which they would be able to recover.


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That said, the user asked OG to "return to sender", so I don't think OG did anything wrong here. The user now need to chase it up with coinbase, and should've pre-checked with coinbase to make sure the funds were recoverable if "return to sender" was used.

Taken from their help section:

When a Coinbase user sends digital currency from their wallet, the address it comes "from" is one of Coinbase's many hot wallet addresses. Any coins sent back to that address would be sent to Coinbase, not your own wallet.

There was a term "Hot Wallet" some where in help section.  I'm sure you can find it that too.

[mammabitcoin2u]

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

OGnasty.

If the refund you processed does not involve me receiving my money then you still owe it to me.

I told you to refund the money in a manner that resulted in it returning to my wallet, if you can't do that then you're a failure as an illegal escrow agent of arizona.

Do you know how bounties work? They don't ever really go away...

You have your money.  Tried to scam and got SPANKED 

When I'm having a bad day~~I'll rem you, this thread, the FAILED scam and the cherry of a total melt down~~fukin PRICELESS 

[RHavar]

Taken from their help section:

When a Coinbase user sends digital currency from their wallet, the address it comes "from" is one of Coinbase's many hot wallet addresses. Any coins sent back to that address would be sent to Coinbase, not your own wallet.

There was a term "Hot Wallet" some where in help section.  I'm sure you can find it that too.

Yeah, it'll be sent back to an address that coinbase controls which may or may not be someones deposit address...

I actually run a hot wallet, and have to deal with this all the time.

[OgNasty]

Taken from their help section:

When a Coinbase user sends digital currency from their wallet, the address it comes "from" is one of Coinbase's many hot wallet addresses. Any coins sent back to that address would be sent to Coinbase, not your own wallet.

There was a term "Hot Wallet" some where in help section.  I'm sure you can find it that too.

Yeah, it'll be sent back to an address that coinbase controls which may or may not be someones deposit address...

I actually run a hot wallet, and have to deal with this all the time.

This is why I asked him to put in a ticket with Coinbase but he didn't seem to want to go that route.  So I reached out to Coinbase, but he didn't want to wait for me to resolve it.  He wanted the funds sent immediately, so my only option was to send back to the address it came from.  He agreed this was what he wanted, so I did it.  

I've had this scenario come up a few times lately, where a scammer will gain control of an account after escrow is initiated and then try to redirect the funds.  As a response to that scenario, I've stuck with only refunding the sending address.  I've had several thankful users recover their funds quickly and easily through Coinbase as a result by putting in a ticket.  I'd be shocked if an operation the size of Coinbase is reusing deposit addresses as sending addresses.  I can assure you they are no stranger to having to process these refunds, as it is fairly standard practice for Bitcoin accepting entities to process refunds in this manner (Expedia refunded my sending address without even asking, can you imagine the horror?).  

[isoneguy]

Do you want me to release escrow to the sending address?

YES or NO?

how many ways do I have to say yes?

We waited all day for this...

TX incoming shortly.

EDIT:
https://blockchain.info/tx/53fc3f154b358609a4147db3cda09b6be040ce26acdc38443fd5f88d055d20b4

Your 15 minutes are up.  Sending address has been refunded.  I'm now clicking the ignore button.  

You refunded my money in a way that I didn't receive it though.

You know how karma works? Or if I ever...you know stumble across you in a bar somewhere.

You still owe me .25 BTC any refund that doesn't result in this doesn't change the debt.

There is a ticket in with coinbase. It's not my fault your buddies are too much of a failure to help you. Or maybe they're great and you're a piece of crap and they just realized it.

It's labeled with your name so someone there's got to know whats up.

[Hellot]

Obviously I'm going to return the funds. It was clear to me there was no deal in place ever. This was about trying to make a scam accusation against me and nothing more. No action I could've taken would have not resulted in this. I'll send the funds tonight. I just wanted other people to see the craziness I was dealing with before moving on to the next step of what is certain to be a long drama this user has created as he begs for attention.

 
OG, you sent me this last night.  This shows that you didn't doubt the OP owned his account.  This shows that you thought it was something else as you indicated with "nothing more".  this shows you intentionally agitated your customer because you wanted us to see that he was crazy.  Well if you corner an animal or someone who thinks like one, of course they are going to lash out.  This also shows that you knew this would get dragged out yet you intentionally refunded to an address he didn't control which further insures that it will be dragged out.  We warned you this would happen.  I warned you both in PM and in this thread.  You did it anyway using your rules as an excuse.  Rules you do not make any attempt to educate the customer on, it isn't even linked in your profile or sig.
 
A very important question is did the escrow mishandle customer funds and I am seeing a pattern that lends to this possibility.  That you not only mishandled this guys funds, but that it was intentional on your part and with prejudice.  I think you should step back and re-evaluate your behavior here.  I am open to being wrong too, hell I would like nothing more.  But I will not ignore what I see.

[isoneguy]

also yes, I'm bat shit crazy.

that doesn't change the facts

let's bring up the fact that the only reason he'd care about me being crazy is that I've been targetting alts. which means he's likely a source of all these damn alt/scams we've been having.

ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

I can use it as well if necessary.

[Wendigo]

What a shit show! Can Coinbase staff recover the refunded coins though? It's not like they are completely lost right?

[isoneguy]

I guess we find out.

[Spoetnik]

He's behind altcoins?

Ognasty did 911 too
We know because the "crazy" guy didn't get his refund *yet.  

[isoneguy]

He's behind altcoins?

Ognasty did 911 too
We know because the "crazy" guy didn't get his refund *yet.  

Says one bat shit crazy guy to the other.

[RHavar]

He agreed this was what he wanted, so I did it.

Yeah, he asked you to -- so regardless what happens it's his responsibility now

I'd be shocked if an operation the size of Coinbase is reusing deposit addresses as sending addresses.

I have no idea what coinbase does, but it's actually by far the most efficient way to do it (in terms of bitcoin tx fees); but it's possible just from a pure support point of view it's not worrth the trouble. However, if they never use deposit addresses for sending withdrawals then they'd be actually able to support "return to sender" automatically (assuming there's no batch withdrawals).

[isoneguy]

If you want to get all technical all I asked you OG...was "how many ways do I have to say yes"

I never agreed for you to release my funds in a way that they don't return to me.

Until that money re-enters my wallet your debt has not been paid.

If I have to extract the funds from your life I will.

[Timelord2067]

isoneguy has just falsified one of their posts in the [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg20341836#msg20341836

If they are so casual about falsifying a post in such a thread, what other information have they posted that is false?

I can't help if wonder if they are an alt of Wendigo?

[isoneguy]

isoneguy has just falsified one of their posts in the [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg20341836#msg20341836

If they are so casual about falsifying a post in such a thread, what other information have they posted that is false?

I can't help if wonder if they are an alt of Wendigo?

Nope...I don't hide behind alts.

And you're resulting to more ad hominem.

This is my main.

Deal with it...

[isoneguy]

My bank account after using OGnasty escrow and being "refunded":



The bitcoin I received was from having to sell off some of my holdings...

[mammabitcoin2u]

https://archive.fo/bu30r

So, let's get this ball rollin

@Here4Trades:  Dude, I called you out as a piss scammer.  I posted proof.  I offered you a ride when you said "was too far".  You just tried to slither.
 Slither away buddy. When I said I was DONE-I was and did NOT bother to go and see your last post.  (I'm sure the mods/anyone who runs the tech side can verify my account/ip has NOT touched that thread after I said I was DONE.) So coming here to get some of my love & attention sad to see   

@Hellot:  Do not think that I will ever infer I say things I type things, there shouldn't be any confusion as to my words.  (except that's if a loon wants to fake a quote? idk)

@everyone else including this FAILED scammer I am sooooooooooooooooooo happy you posted that image.  I'm sure you are wondering why?

I'm going to break it down in my own self moderated thread.  Why self moderated?  Because I'm going to DELETE your worthless posts 

Isoneguy you are even more pathetic than that Here4Trades guy and that's saying something-SCAMMERS think they can get away with shit or try to ruin peoples reputation............WHY?

Because yours is WORTHLESS just grab you another account 

Let me get this junk sorted and I will post

[Wendigo]

Why did you write on my trust wall that I am an alt of OGNasty? I need to disinfect my browser with chlorine every time I visit this wreck of a forum 

Thanks for the laugh!

[Hellot]

I left my feedback for OG based on what I have seen here and after reviewing the chain of events.  I believe he was unprofessional at best and malicious at worst.  I gave this another day to think hard on it and I believe I have been fair.  If you think I have not been fair I am open to discussion.  I fully acknowledge the customer is a Grade A Asshole.  But an escrow should never mishandle customer funds and always do what they can to make sure peoples money is not lost or left in limbo.