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June 07, 2014, 01:29:24 PM |
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Just hit 150+ rolls under 90 and did not win one bet, busted around 2BTC can anyone tell me how this is even statistically possible? this has not happened once in my lifetime on any gambling site until now.
As in you lost 150 bets in a row of which you were betting with a 90% chance to win? If that's the case that is so statistically improbable that I would seriously question the fairness of PD, but on the other hand it's far more likely I've misinterpreted. Could you please confirm whether I have in fact thought about this correctly? I too read it like that the first time around, not sure why. Yeah that would be massively unlikely, and while you would at least expect one win in 150 rolls with 10% win, you got to admit that it isn't surprising that you can lose. I do find that dice games seemingly conspire against the player lol.
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Peter882
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June 07, 2014, 01:30:29 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
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Cryptopher
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June 07, 2014, 01:33:17 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
Lol I bet that you couldn't get 150 successful rolls with 90% chance of winning, it seems so much harder to get a winning streak than it does a losing streak.
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Peter882
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June 07, 2014, 01:40:42 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
Lol I bet that you couldn't get 150 successful rolls with 90% chance of winning, it seems so much harder to get a winning streak than it does a losing streak. Both streaks will be unbelievable IMO, and so I kind of doubt if it did happen...
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Cryptopher
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June 07, 2014, 01:58:10 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
Lol I bet that you couldn't get 150 successful rolls with 90% chance of winning, it seems so much harder to get a winning streak than it does a losing streak. Both streaks will be unbelievable IMO, and so I kind of doubt if it did happen... I'm not surprised at all if the losing streak happened, it is actually quite unlikely to win despite the house edge being small. I'm always wary that if you don't mix your bet up then you are destined to lose your money fast. Client seed change is a good idea, and changing high to low and vice versa is good now and then. I think a lot of people get in the habit of sticking the auto-roll on, which I have found to be a bad idea in the past for a number of reasons - some of which I have already mentioned.
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deisik
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June 07, 2014, 02:42:08 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far... 
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Yuki1988
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June 07, 2014, 03:38:31 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
10% bets as in 10x payout. probability isn't 90%, it is 10% His calculation is correct. Chance for losing 1 bet = 90% = 0.9, so the chance for consecutively losing 150 bets = 0.9^150
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June 07, 2014, 03:47:24 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
10% bets as in 10x payout. probability isn't 90%, it is 10% His calculation is correct. Chance for losing 1 bet = 90% = 0.9, so the chance for consecutively losing 150 bets = 0.9^150 So the chance of losing 150 in a row is 0.00001368914%? Really? seems a bit inaccurate to me, I thought it may have been higher. So Stunna tell me....did I really hit that 0.000014% chance of losing? I don't think so Chance is lot higher im sorry im nor on pc cant get u link for calculator. Everything can happen i hit all ins from faucet on 990x 3 times in like 200 bets.
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June 07, 2014, 04:31:22 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far...  I think most of us have come to discover that when it comes to provably fair dice games, the theoretical probability means nothing  The experimental probably is very off. 
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June 07, 2014, 06:37:16 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far...  I think most of us have come to discover that when it comes to provably fair dice games, the theoretical probability means nothing  This is because the idea of "me" (me as myself) is pretty incompatible with the theory of chances... 
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MICRO
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June 07, 2014, 06:42:46 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far...  I think most of us have come to discover that when it comes to provably fair dice games, the theoretical probability means nothing  The experimental probably is very off.  Well said. Dice doesnt remember previous roll , every roll is independent. So any calculation will be very off. It gives u some kind of perception but in realyty doesnt mean much.
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deisik
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June 07, 2014, 07:00:56 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far...  I think most of us have come to discover that when it comes to provably fair dice games, the theoretical probability means nothing  The experimental probably is very off.  Well said. Dice doesnt remember previous roll , every roll is independent. So any calculation will be very off. It gives u some kind of perception but in realyty doesnt mean much. But when you come to think of that, it turns out very strange. If, say, the given outcome of five rolls has one possibility, but each one of them is independent from the others and has another (mildly speaking), the reason tells you (well, me) that the possibility of several rolls makes no sense at all! 
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June 07, 2014, 07:50:45 PM |
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So you have lost 150 "10% bets" consecutively? That seems very very unlikely (prob = 0.9^150 = 0.00001368914%)
So, if you make a million of rolls, you would come quite close to that. Though this doesn't in the least mean that it will happen to everyone making millions of rolls!  BTW, there are only 650,390,470 bets at PrimeDice so far...  I think most of us have come to discover that when it comes to provably fair dice games, the theoretical probability means nothing  The experimental probably is very off.  Well said. Dice doesnt remember previous roll , every roll is independent. So any calculation will be very off. It gives u some kind of perception but in realyty doesnt mean much. But when you come to think of that, it turns out very strange. If, say, the given outcome of five rolls has one possibility, but each one of them is independent from the others and has another (mildly speaking), the reason tells you (well, me) that the possibility of several rolls makes no sense at all!  When events are independent you can calculate the probably of all the events to occur, that is basic probability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability
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deisik
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June 07, 2014, 08:17:58 PM |
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But when you come to think of that, it turns out very strange. If, say, the given outcome of five rolls has one possibility, but each one of them is independent from the others and has another (mildly speaking), the reason tells you (well, me) that the possibility of several rolls makes no sense at all!  When events are independent you can calculate the probably of all the events to occur, that is basic probability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProbabilityI know how to calculate chances. Actually, I may happen to know everything you may happen to say about probability (and even beyond that, lol)...  But that's not the point! 
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Cryptopher
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June 08, 2014, 12:16:59 PM |
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It may be the case that withdrawal system is on manual check at the moment, or perhaps it is broken. I haven't used it so can't corroborate with my experience. If it doesn't arrive within the next hour then I would consider mailing support@primedice.com, explaining your situation and they will look into it. Of course you can always mail them now if it is urgent.
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Ridley69
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June 08, 2014, 12:31:50 PM |
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Problem with withdrawals here too.
I cashd out 0.2 BTC some hours ago but I never received them. And the transaction isn't even appearing on the blockchain.
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MICRO
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June 08, 2014, 12:34:07 PM |
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Problem with withdrawals here too.
I cashd out 0.2 BTC some hours ago but I never received them. And the transaction isn't even appearing on the blockchain.
Email support@primedice.com it will be sorted out soon. Dont worry about it. U will get it. Just be patient a bit.
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June 08, 2014, 01:02:42 PM |
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I noticed small amounts out (for example 0.01) are still instant, but slightly over 0.1 is not working or on manual. Is there normally a limit that triggers manual instead of auto?
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June 08, 2014, 01:09:33 PM |
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I noticed small amounts out (for example 0.01) are still instant, but slightly over 0.1 is not working or on manual. Is there normally a limit that triggers manual instead of auto?
Could be possibe, I cashed out 0.9 btc 2 hours ago and it hasnt arrived yet. Im not worried though since other users experience the same issues.
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