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[barbarosa]

that would not "hurt" micro.. that would simply be unfair and even if not intentional -pure rippoff. from pd's side.

i dont think you check if ppl are about to win. but you do interfere with their bets. period.

what do i have to do with any security breach? why MUST I ABSORB THE LOST FROM YOUR SECURITY BREACH? DO YOU REALIZE WHAT I JUST SAID? I AM PAYING FOR YOU SECURITY TROUBLE??

[Betwrong]

You are very much right, seuntjie.

however i will not bother myself checking on the outcome of my next rolls. you know why? because i know for 100% that even if i am right - there is no way in the world PD would ever compansate my lose. simply absolutly no way. not in a million gagillion fafillion years.

therefore, it is a scam, since you know that even if you have a case, you have nowhere to take it.

oh, and micro - if in theory he is right, than what you are saying is that pd is not provably fair. and you say this will happen more often now. fantastic. very convinient for pd aswell, since even if you randomly decide when to change the seed, you will defently break alot of ongoing hunts for high multiplyers. very profitable for pd even if its random.

No,  my guess is that this will happen even more rarely.  And i think if it happens next time it should be anouncend.  Even though sometimes you can not anounce it due to security reasons.

Changing your seed does not lower or improve your chances of hunting big multipyer.
~

That's right. I thought everybody knows that already, it was discussed many times on different forums, this one included. But I understand frustration a user might feel when he has made over 20k rolls not hitting 99.99 and now he is forced to change seed. I know it's illogical but I do understand and even can relate to that feeling.

[Eremitos]

it has a psychological affect. pd are the experts for that.

if i was betting 5k sat on 9999 after 15k rolls, do you think i will just go on with that after my seed is reset? my chances maybe the same, but nigga please..

but lets just leave that, you said seuntjie was right in theory - that means you say pd is not pf. the end.

Well your chances are the same.  But it would hurt like hell to find out thst you would hit it in next 10 rolls lol.  Thats for sure.  

But if you think pd would actually force change seeds for all of its players to prevent you from winning that...  Nigga please...  😀.  

Why not? That way they can always say - what, why whould we force to change all players' seeds just to prevent one from big win? Well, it still sounds like a plan and 100 or 200 coins is worth it. I'm not saying PD did it, but your 'explanation' (which is - you're not so important that PD would bother such action just for you) is far from enough. I have no problem with seed changing, but others might have and I admit I understand them. We need more than 'nigga please' here I think.

[MICRO]

that would not "hurt" micro.. that would simply be unfair and even if not intentional -pure rippoff. from pd's side.

i dont think you check if ppl are about to win. but you do interfere with their bets. period.

what do i have to do with any security breach? why MUST I ABSORB THE LOST FROM YOUR SECURITY BREACH? DO YOU REALIZE WHAT I JUST SAID? I AM PAYING FOR YOU SECURITY TROUBLE??

Not rly.

But if something is comprimised we just simply have to reset seeds.  There is simply no other way.

You are not paying with anything and ir does not affect you that much even if you were rly hunting 9900x

But i do understand the frustration if you did.  

We atleaest agree on some parts 😊.  Thank you.  

Again sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused you.  

Pd would never do this unless they actually had to. As you may see its not doing us a favor.   So lets wait for stunna to tell us the reasons why this had to be done.

[Dank Frank]

You are very much right, seuntjie.

however i will not bother myself checking on the outcome of my next rolls. you know why? because i know for 100% that even if i am right - there is no way in the world PD would ever compansate my lose. simply absolutly no way. not in a million gagillion fafillion years.

therefore, it is a scam, since you know that even if you have a case, you have nowhere to take it.

oh, and micro - if in theory he is right, than what you are saying is that pd is not provably fair. and you say this will happen more often now. fantastic. very convinient for pd aswell, since even if you randomly decide when to change the seed, you will defently break alot of ongoing hunts for high multiplyers. very profitable for pd even if its random.

No,  my guess is that this will happen even more rarely.  And i think if it happens next time it should be anouncend.  Even though sometimes you can not anounce it due to security reasons.

Changing your seed does not lower or improve your chances of hunting big multipyer.
~

That's right. I thought everybody knows that already, it was discussed many times on different forums, this one included. But I understand frustration a user might feel when he has made over 20k rolls not hitting 99.99 and now he is forced to change seed. I know it's illogical but I do understand and even can relate to that feeling.

20k rolls on 9900x try 95k rolls on 9900x from one of the regular players. then you feel screwed as hell by primedice and this is not the first time. When he comes online I will ask him directly if he checked his seed and how many rolls he was from hitting it and I know he was only rolling with 0.0005. So I wonder about this.
 

[MICRO]

it has a psychological affect. pd are the experts for that.

if i was betting 5k sat on 9999 after 15k rolls, do you think i will just go on with that after my seed is reset? my chances maybe the same, but nigga please..

but lets just leave that, you said seuntjie was right in theory - that means you say pd is not pf. the end.

Well your chances are the same.  But it would hurt like hell to find out thst you would hit it in next 10 rolls lol.  Thats for sure.  

But if you think pd would actually force change seeds for all of its players to prevent you from winning that...  Nigga please...  😀.  

Why not? That way they can always say - what, why whould we force to change all players' seeds just to prevent one from big win? Well, it still sounds like a plan and 100 or 200 coins is worth it. I'm not saying PD did it, but your 'explanation' (which is - you're not so important that PD would bother such action just for you) is far from enough. I have no problem with seed changing, but others might have and I admit I understand them. We need more than 'nigga please' here I think.

I understand then to.  And i totaly agree.  

I actually do have a problem with it.  It should never be done for many reasons and well even from the pubilicty point of view its not good for pd.  

And it makes my job harder.  I have to reply to tons of people on support now asking why they can not bet. 


But sometimes it has to be done for security reasons lime in the case of hufflepuff.  
And i am sure pd had a valid reason to do it this time.

I hope stunna will be available soon to clarify that.

[jamyr]

it has a psychological affect. pd are the experts for that.

if i was betting 5k sat on 9999 after 15k rolls, do you think i will just go on with that after my seed is reset? my chances maybe the same, but nigga please..

but lets just leave that, you said seuntjie was right in theory - that means you say pd is not pf. the end.

Well your chances are the same.  But it would hurt like hell to find out thst you would hit it in next 10 rolls lol.  Thats for sure.  

But if you think pd would actually force change seeds for all of its players to prevent you from winning that...  Nigga please...  😀.  

Why not? That way they can always say - what, why whould we force to change all players' seeds just to prevent one from big win? Well, it still sounds like a plan and 100 or 200 coins is worth it. I'm not saying PD did it, but your 'explanation' (which is - you're not so important that PD would bother such action just for you) is far from enough. I have no problem with seed changing, but others might have and I admit I understand them. We need more than 'nigga please' here I think.

I understand then to.  And i totaly agree.  

I actually do have a problem with it.  It should never be done for many reasons and well even from the pubilicty point of view its not good for pd.  

And it makes my job harder.  I have to reply to tons of people on support now asking why they can not bet. 


But sometimes it has to be done for security reasons lime in the case of hufflepuff.  
And i am sure pd had a valid reason to do it this time.

I hope stunna will be available soon to clarify that.

You're a really good support Micro.
Keep it up.

Anyways is there any surprise we should look forward to in PD?

Also my friend can't depo. his username is dmtripp27

[barbarosa]

DANK FRANK i have had my share of 80k without a hit, but also 3 hits in 1k.. the system is perfectly fair,

the problem is as seuntjie said, when your odds are interfered with and you cant do anything about it.

as i said i will not bother to check it up at all, since i know the answer from pd would be for me to go fuck myself and have fun.

if pd has a security problem, to say that in order to fix it they must interfere with all of the players own personal game and inavitably their profits, and force us to accept it.. is not somthing i have heard of from any other site. so true or not, suspicious or not.. whatever, ill just stay away.

[MICRO]

it has a psychological affect. pd are the experts for that.

if i was betting 5k sat on 9999 after 15k rolls, do you think i will just go on with that after my seed is reset? my chances maybe the same, but nigga please..

but lets just leave that, you said seuntjie was right in theory - that means you say pd is not pf. the end.

Well your chances are the same.  But it would hurt like hell to find out thst you would hit it in next 10 rolls lol.  Thats for sure. 

But if you think pd would actually force change seeds for all of its players to prevent you from winning that...  Nigga please...  😀. 

Why not? That way they can always say - what, why whould we force to change all players' seeds just to prevent one from big win? Well, it still sounds like a plan and 100 or 200 coins is worth it. I'm not saying PD did it, but your 'explanation' (which is - you're not so important that PD would bother such action just for you) is far from enough. I have no problem with seed changing, but others might have and I admit I understand them. We need more than 'nigga please' here I think.

I understand then to.  And i totaly agree. 

I actually do have a problem with it.  It should never be done for many reasons and well even from the pubilicty point of view its not good for pd. 

And it makes my job harder.  I have to reply to tons of people on support now asking why they can not bet. 


But sometimes it has to be done for security reasons lime in the case of hufflepuff. 
And i am sure pd had a valid reason to do it this time.

I hope stunna will be available soon to clarify that.

You're a really good support Micro.
Keep it up.

Anyways is there any surprise we should look forward to in PD?

Also my friend can't depo. his username is dmtripp27

Can you tell him to submit a ticket and we will take it from there.

Thank you.

[Flirty]

New seeds come and I lost my all balance

[joeyarg]

You are very much right, seuntjie.

however i will not bother myself checking on the outcome of my next rolls. you know why? because i know for 100% that even if i am right - there is no way in the world PD would ever compansate my lose. simply absolutly no way. not in a million gagillion fafillion years.

therefore, it is a scam, since you know that even if you have a case, you have nowhere to take it.

oh, and micro - if in theory he is right, than what you are saying is that pd is not provably fair. and you say this will happen more often now. fantastic. very convinient for pd aswell, since even if you randomly decide when to change the seed, you will defently break alot of ongoing hunts for high multiplyers. very profitable for pd even if its random.

No,  my guess is that this will happen even more rarely.  And i think if it happens next time it should be anouncend.  Even though sometimes you can not anounce it due to security reasons.

Changing your seed does not lower or improve your chances of hunting big multipyer.
~

That's right. I thought everybody knows that already, it was discussed many times on different forums, this one included. But I understand frustration a user might feel when he has made over 20k rolls not hitting 99.99 and now he is forced to change seed. I know it's illogical but I do understand and even can relate to that feeling.

20k rolls on 9900x try 95k rolls on 9900x from one of the regular players. then you feel screwed as hell by primedice and this is not the first time. When he comes online I will ask him directly if he checked his seed and how many rolls he was from hitting it and I know he was only rolling with 0.0005. So I wonder about this.
 

Sorry for the off topic,
"how many rolls he was from hitting"

How can you know that?

[Dank Frank]

~snip~
Sorry for the off topic,
"how many rolls he was from hitting"

How can you know that?

I don't know that yet joey/jewy he still has to come online   You can check it by verifying the rolls since when we set a new seed the hidden server seed will get revealed and all outcomes will be known.

[joeyarg]

~snip~
Sorry for the off topic,
"how many rolls he was from hitting"

How can you know that?

I don't know that yet joey/jewy he still has to come online   You can check it by verifying the rolls since when we set a new seed the hidden server seed will get revealed and all outcomes will be known.

haha ohh i got it. When you have the server seed and client seed you can see next rolls. Thanks for explain me.

i dunno who jewy is

[Stunna]

"Please set a new seed to begin betting. This can be done in the fairness tab or by clicking here.

Please check the Primedice BitcoinTalk thread for more information."


what information? where info? WHY AM I FORCED TO CHANGE MY SEED? THIS WAS THE LAST TIME YOU MOTHER FUCKERS. IM GOING BYE BYE PD, TO A SITE THAT RESPECTS ME AS A PLAYER.

 

There was an error while rolling ,admins has to give the answer for that.After changing the seed you can still play and what is the problem with that.How did they disrespect you,i do not get it because updates are being done and you might see these errors now and then while updating.

Forcing seed changes without notification is a breach of provably fairness. He could have just had an amazing streak, or hit two 77.77s in a row for the rumored (still no official announcement on that) jackpot, but now pds changed his seeds and in effect his rolls, and possibly made him lose.

I understand that sometimes it's necessary for pd to change seeds in case there was some security issue, and I have no problem with it. But, doing so without a proper explanation is not OK. Tell us why the seeds were changed or anyone claiming that they would have won 200 coins in the next 10 rolls (after verifying his rolls and checking the upcoming rolls) has a valid reason for claiming PD scammed.


I wouldn't go as far as claiming that PD did cheat just yet. I'm sure this was a security related issue. I'd suggest waiting for an explanation from Stunna or some other official body of the site before jumping to conclusions.

We rotated off access of our prior developer as he has moved on and reset seeds for security reasons. There should have been proper notice of the seed  change, I was traveling and just found out about this. My apologies for this inconvenience, I understand a lot of players play small bet long term strategies, this may change the outcome for better or worse but I insist this will not change the odds. This is something we typically do 2-3 times a year (usually when we change hosts) but will give better notice in the future. Again, sorry if this has inconvenienced you. This was unprofessional on our part.

[MICRO]

On the other hand....


Happy hour just started!

[kpcian]

On the other hand....


Happy hour just started!

Missed it maybe next time.

But why the chat lagging? Every time I browse, the whole site go blank for a sec.

[seuntjie]

Forcing seed changes without notification is a breach of provably fairness. He could have just had an amazing streak, or hit two 77.77s in a row for the rumored (still no official announcement on that) jackpot, but now pds changed his seeds and in effect his rolls, and possibly made him lose.

I understand that sometimes it's necessary for pd to change seeds in case there was some security issue, and I have no problem with it. But, doing so without a proper explanation is not OK. Tell us why the seeds were changed or anyone claiming that they would have won 200 coins in the next 10 rolls (after verifying his rolls and checking the upcoming rolls) has a valid reason for claiming PD scammed.


I wouldn't go as far as claiming that PD did cheat just yet. I'm sure this was a security related issue. I'd suggest waiting for an explanation from Stunna or some other official body of the site before jumping to conclusions.

Yes and no. Bets aren't related to the previous roll, but they are dependent on the seeds.

Remember that PD uses a nonce based system. So 1 server seed and 1 client seed for millions of bets. You hash 1:serverseed:clientseed and get your first roll, then you hash 2:serverseed:client seed and get your second roll.

So maybe this guy was at roll 100 and that would have been 77.77, and 101 would coincidentally also be 77.77. But PD has now changed the server seed and the nonce resets to 1. So now you're hashing 1:serverseed2:clientseed which will most likely result in a new number. The moment you pick your server seed and client seed, PD knows what each and every roll is going to be until you randomize again, and these rolls can't change (that's what makes them provably fair) unless the seeds are changed. Which happened, without the users consent, which stops making it provably fair.


This means, someone can take their last seeds that was forcibly changed by PD, and generate the numbers he would have gotten if he continued betting with that seed and say: My strategy has been high on reverse martingale for the last 1000 bets. the next 15 bets I should have placed would all have been wins. PD changed my seed so I wouldn't win 20 bitcoin with those bets. And it would be valid (because it is in PDs capabilities to predict this, even if they don't do it) until PD provides us with an acceptable reason for changing the seeds.


Edit: To be clear, I'm not trying to say that pd is scamming or that they cheated. I'm trying to explain why it is important that PD tells us why the seeds were changed. I would advise everyone to wait for an explanation and not jump to conclusions.

Edward explained to me why they forced a seed change, and it is a valid security reason, and will be providing me with proof of it soon. They definitely were not trying to cheat anyone out of a large upcoming win or anything (not that I ever suspected them of doing so). Unfortunately, I cannot share any of the information other than was Stunna has already posted here.

We rotated off access of our prior developer as he has moved on and reset seeds for security reasons. There should have been proper notice of the seed  change, I was traveling and just found out about this. My apologies for this inconvenience, I understand a lot of players play small bet long term strategies, this may change the outcome for better or worse but I insist this will not change the odds. This is something we typically do 2-3 times a year (usually when we change hosts) but will give better notice in the future. Again, sorry if this has inconvenienced you. This was unprofessional on our part.

[Robear]

Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.

The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.

Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos

[eaLiTy]

Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.

The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.

Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos

I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear  and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform.

[Dank Frank]

Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.

The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.

Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos

I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear   and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform.

Probably they won't because every time when a seed change happens unexpectedly the say the same thing. It's just the same story but a different day.