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June 23, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
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That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.

I'm sure some (most) companies will ID girls, but I bet there are pretty girls who would rather not give you their name and address. Maybe someone will find a way to serve them too without too much risk from the goons.

Has anyone thought this through? You take IDs from girls, then presumably some freak from a bureaucracy wants to see them and now he has their info, but he has to make sure it's really them right? So what, he goes to visit them all or just the youngest ones?

Maybe a service that just sells technical help to girls who then publish themselves could follow the letter of the law without the need to ID them. Ha, I guess the girls would be required to ID themselves.

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June 23, 2011, 11:00:16 PM
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That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.

I'm sure some (most) companies will ID girls, but I bet there are pretty girls who would rather not give you their name and address. Maybe someone will find a way to serve them too without too much risk from the goons.

Has anyone thought this through? You take IDs from girls, then presumably some freak from a bureaucracy wants to see them and now he has their info, but he has to make sure it's really them right? So what, he goes to visit them all or just the youngest ones?

Maybe a service that just sells technical help to girls who then publish themselves could follow the letter of the law without the need to ID them. Ha, I guess the girls would be required to ID themselves.
I think they are going to have to give us some sort of identification for tax purposes anyways. I mean who cares if the models aren't anonymous internally, the main concern is to the customer. It's fine if we know the girls by their first names, it's a different story for the customers though. Anonymity favor the customer in this scenario. If we didn't live in such a sick world full of human traffickers, and underage slaves, we wouldn't have to ask for a single piece of paper.

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June 24, 2011, 04:48:16 PM
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I have decided on who will be the system administrator for this project. I will be contacting all of you shortly, I am just trying to give everyone a chance to see this post, before I choose who will be on the squad.  Cool

I still have to talk to some of you through Skype, and see exactly what your priorities and visions are for the site. Once the team is set we will announce the team members and begin production!

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June 24, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
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I make websites and fix computers for a living, THAT'S WHAT I DO,

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June 24, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
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Jessy, are you literally a whore? I don't understand what BDSM is.
Well "not a whore" is usually what Adult workers say (scream) to imply they are better than other Adult workers. So a "whore" in the sense I am in the Adult industry, but not in the sense of taking money for sex. I take pride in having sex for free. Whore is none the less a popular description for me in the forum. It's not very PC, but since it does not really carry the same weight with me as with other women, I let it pass. It's a bit like calling a gay person a "homo".

I own my place so don't session much anymore, but when I do the essence of it is some guys will pay far more to be tortured than they will for sex. My place is one of the top four dungeons in the US by most reckoning. I started it after working in the Adult industry as management- not talent, for many years (content production, cams and static sites). I still maintain my industry contacts, so have a pretty good idea where the gaps in the market are.
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June 24, 2011, 05:56:30 PM
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Jessy, are you literally a whore? I don't understand what BDSM is.

LOL, BDSM is Bondage & Sado Maso =BDSM
just use goolge.

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June 24, 2011, 06:16:39 PM
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Well then that's the oddest thing I ever heard before. Learn something new everyday I guess.

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June 24, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
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Jesse I would love to use your contacts, but your way of approaching this entire thing has been appalling. Instead of messaging me and telling me what you had to offer, you instead wrote a monologue about how this business is going to fail. Are you just mad you didn't come up with the domain name or idea first? Are you mad that you have no technical abilities to offer to the team other than your management experience and a few contacts? Why do you hate bitcoins? Don't you understand that if we can't get a good industry going, this currency will be nothing more than a never ended ponzi scheme?
If this site is what I envision it to be I know it can be huge. However, people like you are writing it off before it even gets started, instead of specifying what they have to offer. There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.
You leave a bad taste in my mouth..

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June 24, 2011, 06:41:19 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.

It's almost like she has some kind of fetish for pain or something.  Huh

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June 24, 2011, 07:17:09 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.

It's almost like she has some kind of fetish for pain or something.  Huh
It's part of the BDSM mentality I guess lol. Maybe shes a tea-bagger  Grin.

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June 25, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
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Jesse I would love to use your contacts, but your way of approaching this entire thing has been appalling. Instead of messaging me and telling me what you had to offer, you instead wrote a monologue about how this business is going to fail. Are you just mad you didn't come up with the domain name or idea first? Are you mad that you have no technical abilities to offer to the team other than your management experience and a few contacts?

I've got 12 nude models, a shooting facility, a dedicated offshore steaming server and a ton of adult traffic- you have a CafePress tshirt site and can "fix computers". Yet, you still are convinced I was applying to be on your team.

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June 25, 2011, 01:12:12 AM
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Wait, you've got a Twitter account, AND a Cafepress site? Counting Facebook that's like THREE websites you "built"! Holy crap no wonder everyone is lining up to work with you.

EDIT: HOPEFULLY the people we hire won't be remotely close to your level of class.

Tell you what, how about you teach us all a lesson and keep this thread updated with the progress your vast IT empire is making. Since you have assured everyone you can do it all yourself, there should be no excuses if a cam site fails to materialize. When the site appears, you will have "shown us, shown is ALL!"

Future reference- if you want to do something, and a professional who does that thing for a living says "here's the specific reasons why A won't work, here are some specific problems you need to plan for in advance, if you want, here are some ways to increase your chance of success"- that's big ears/small mouth time. There several individuals reading this thread whom are professionals in their own fields- they know this. They see you don't, and that's why they dropped you.
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June 25, 2011, 01:13:40 AM
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You think I'm some nobody don't you ?

EDIT: HOPEFULLY the people we hire won't be remotely close to your level of class. You need to learn how to speak to people, and stop over generalizing. Your completely arrogant and need to be taught a valuable lesson in life. Not everything is your way, I know your use to beating on pathetic Neanderthals who get pleasure from your fake "dungeon", but I am not one of them. K? 


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Why do you think she is in the BDSM sector?? - it is her job to be arrogant and to torture other people!
She is a domina and you are moaning that she is arrogant, that is quiet funny :-)
I think there is just an misunderstanding between you and her ;-)
Dont take it personally, she just is professional even when she is not working... xD

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June 25, 2011, 03:31:58 AM
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Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does. She's still mean as hell though, her crappy attitude erases any of the gains her looks bring her.

We now have a coder for the team ! So we have the positions of Administrator & Application Developer filled. I have decided to merge my position as project manager and webmaster together (since some people were questioning my technical abilities). We still are in need of a pro designer who can make us a beautiful skin for the cms that we will be using. Design will be crucial to the sites success, and the position is still available. Investors who want to buy shares on this site are also welcome to join in. I have already gotten several offers from people who want to fund this project, and take their %, I will be getting in touch with you all shortly, it may even be a full public venture depending on how my team decides to do it. We plan on being really transparent with the site, and showing the Bitcoin community that businesses can be built with this currency, despite what the nay Sayers may say.

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June 25, 2011, 05:07:23 AM
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We plan on being really transparent with the site, and showing the Bitcoin community that businesses can be built with this currency, despite what the nay Sayers may say.

This thread turned out amusing as hell and will be a side note in the history of your site.  Strong supporter of ventures using Bitcoin, I think the ability to make a workable site is easy, but you have the potential for larger things if you get on it properly right off the bat, I only wish the best for this project Smiley

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June 25, 2011, 05:14:14 AM
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Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does.

No, I act that way when people are not just dismissive- but rude to those who take the time to offer professional, qualified advice.


Look, anyone who wants to do this for real just ignore Vegetta's silly bloated proposal and get Mobile app coder and a lawyer.

1. The first hurdle for cams is talent. First you need to lower the barriers for entry to them. Right now, between faxed releases and IDs it's at least a week- plenty of time to change their mind or be talked out of it. You want impulse, low barrier adoption. Cute 20-something are interesting going shopping now- regular income and sitting around is a tough sell (attendance in most Adult businesses goes up 20% the last week, and down 20% the first week of the month because of rent money- few workers have any savings or any interest in it). Quick cash for what they want, and what they can't get under current business models.

2. Most men who buy porn, cohabitant.

1 and 2 have been the case for quite some time, the following are recent developments that the industry has not moved to take advantage of due to legacy technology investments and complacency.

3. Most hot girls, don't use computers anymore- this is key. Only three of my ladies own computers at home- and all are avid internet users.

4. Wireless cellular broadband is widespread, and cheap.

5. The most recent generation of smartphones have a front facing camera and support two way video chat.

6. The rear, built in high resolution cameras are of sufficient resolution to photograph anf upload an ID.

7. With text scrolling on the screen, the front facing camera can record and upload a video of a model reciting an oral contract.

8. Bitcoin is the ideal- and only practical means of payment as getting merchant account approval for the above would be nearly impossible. The product is unique enough that clients would have an incentive to tackle Bitcoin adoption hurdles. The product is largely made possible by the introduction of Bitcoin.

9. It would not even be necessary to charge a percentage. The ladies would be willing to accept fairly low exchange rates simply for convenience. If they on a moments notice they can put their phone on the end of the bad for 20 minutes, and make either 2BTC or go spend $20 instantly in Amazon- nearly all will choose the later. Shipping would go to the name and address on the photo ID- helping to ensure it's veracity.

10. Pull based. Instead of 20 women waiting around for an 8 hour shift for some guys to show up (and expecting to be compensated for such), they can receive phone notification when the surfer to performer ratio drops below a certain level. During these times which would be more lucrative to be on cam, and increase their average earnings per hour by allowing them to stay offline during off-peak times.

11. Smartphone users are a higher income demographic than computer users.

Benefits:

A single downloadable application can enable a woman to- on an impulse, start making money within minutes.

It allows men to engage in interactive adult chat without being tied to computer that their partner might walk in on.

You would not need a website, or any affiliate marketing.

No need to deal with talent management and associated headaches.

The ladies working from home, when they choose, without set hours would be considered "Independent"- this would have market appeal.

There are no larger players that could take your market share due the the way the app adoption works- you will have far more downloads, more installs, so will maintain a lead over any late comers. You will also be able to stay ahead of the development curve, leaving them to play catch up.

Comparatively low startup costs and monthly overhead. A single server, running Red or Wowza, a single- if somewhat complex app that can be reverse engineered from parts of other already existing apps. A single Android version would suffice to get ones foot in the door. iOS would obviously be an issue.

Minimal staff- the only labor is approving IDs, most of the rest a clever coder could automate.

There is not a single 2-way Adult webcam mobile chat app available at the moment. Easily publicity with a single press release.

If you can't do this project, then have a look at this one to get some ideas.

Or you can pull a Vegetta, piss on professional insight, ignore the market, try and beat the best of the best at a cut-throat business they've been doing for a decade, offering same product but with the additional hassle of a currency no one uses.


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June 25, 2011, 05:37:44 AM
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Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does.

No, I act that way when people are not just dismissive- but rude to those who take the time to offer professional, qualified advice.


Look, anyone who wants to do this for real just ignore Vegetta's silly bloated proposal and get Mobile app coder and a lawyer.

1. The first hurdle for cams is talent. First you need to lower the barriers for entry to them. Right now, between faxed releases and IDs it's at least a week- plenty of time to change their mind or be talked out of it. You want impulse, low barrier adoption. Cute 20-something are interesting going shopping now- regular income and sitting around is a tough sell (attendance in most Adult businesses goes up 20% the last week, and down 20% the first week of the month because of rent money- few workers have any savings or any interest in it). Quick cash for what they want, and what they can't get under current business models.

2. Most men who buy porn, cohabitant.

1 and 2 have been the case for quite some time, the following are recent developments that the industry has not moved to take advantage of due to legacy technology investments and complacency.

3. Most hot girls, don't use computers anymore- this is key. Only three of my ladies own computers at home- and all are avid internet users.

4. Wireless cellular broadband is widespread, and cheap.

5. The most recent generation of smartphones have a front facing camera and support two way video chat.

6. The rear, built in high resolution cameras are of sufficient resolution to photograph anf upload an ID.

7. With text scrolling on the screen, the front facing camera can record and upload a video of a model reciting an oral contract.

8. Bitcoin is the ideal- and only practical means of payment as getting merchant account approval for the above would be nearly impossible. The product is unique enough that clients would have an incentive to tackle Bitcoin adoption hurdles. The product is largely made possible by the introduction of Bitcoin.

9. It would not even be necessary to charge a percentage. The ladies would be willing to accept fairly low exchange rates simply for convenience. If they on a moments notice they can put their phone on the end of the bad for 20 minutes, and make either 2BTC or go spend $20 instantly in Amazon- nearly all will choose the later. Shipping would go to the name and address on the photo ID- helping to ensure it's veracity.

10. Pull based. Instead of 20 women waiting around for an 8 hour shift for some guys to show up (and expecting to be compensated for such), they can receive phone notification when the surfer to performer ratio drops below a certain level. During these times which would be more lucrative to be on cam, and increase their average earnings per hour by allowing them to stay offline during off-peak times.

11. Smartphone users are a higher income demographic than computer users.

Benefits:

A single downloadable application can enable a woman to- on an impulse, start making money within minutes.

It allows men to engage in interactive adult chat without being tied to computer that their partner might walk in on.

You would not need a website, or any affiliate marketing.

No need to deal with talent management and associated headaches.

The ladies working from home, when they choose, without set hours would be considered "Independent"- this would have market appeal.

There are no larger players that could take your market share due the the way the app adoption works- you will have far more downloads, more installs, so will maintain a lead over any late comers. You will also be able to stay ahead of the development curve, leaving them to play catch up.

Comparatively low startup costs and monthly overhead. A single server, running Red or Wowza, a single- if somewhat complex app that can be reverse engineered from parts of other already existing apps. A single Android version would suffice to get ones foot in the door. iOS would obviously be an issue.

Minimal staff- the only labor is approving IDs, most of the rest a clever coder could automate.

There is not a single 2-way Adult webcam mobile chat app available at the moment. Easily publicity with a single press release.

If you can't do this project, then have a look at this one to get some ideas.

Or you can pull a Vegetta, piss on professional insight, ignore the market, try and beat the best of the best at a cut-throat business they've been doing for a decade, offering same product but with the additional hassle of a currency no one uses.



I'm listening to you thanks for all the GREAT free advice. I was not thinking along the lines of a mobile app till you mentioned it! Thats actually a wonderful idea, and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

EDIT:BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown. I don't , I think you are a smart business women who has alot to contribute to this, but you said you don't want in, what do you want? To destroy the project ? I still don't understand what your intentions are here other than to troll a perfectly healthy thread.

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June 25, 2011, 06:03:28 AM
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BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown.

I'm sure I'm the one they are laughing it. Grin Grin
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June 25, 2011, 06:09:50 AM
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BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown.

I'm sure I'm the one they are laughing it. Grin Grin

If I was into BDSM I would totally hire her, these posts represent a woman that will remind you what the word dominate means with every glance or some shit.  If I had a very specific cam site in mind, I would definitely go with her too.   But only these things.

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June 25, 2011, 06:22:41 AM
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and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.
Sure, let us all know how that works out for you.

To anyone actually considering and capable of undertaking this project, I'd offer the following.

A membership site requires an adult designer (3-4k) and a custom CMS (2-4k), a membership management script capable of taking Bitcoin (1k if hardened). It makes no sense to offer shares (recurring income) for a one time expense.

If you build a site, it will then be on the radar of the large players- that's where they look. They think it terms of competing websites- not competing apps. So you've just substantially shortened your lead by announcing that your business model will work on their websites just fine. So their coders will get cracking. This website won't get any traffic without an affiliate program, that cuts into profits and requires a large advertising budget to get the word out to potential affiliates (1k month).

This is one of the problems with businesses started with outside capital- it's easy to spend other peoples money. If it was their own money the developers would come up with something simple and clever, if they have funding- lets have a money fight. If they don't get sacks of money, they claim they can't start anything because no one will fund them.

A simple App website advertising it's functionality (if you use the same UI designer as the app it saves money), and providing a Market link is sufficient. Ideally it's creation would be paid for by income generated from just the initial Android app. Done properly it requires more skill and planning than it does capital. The other guys always have more capital so it's a lousy tool to try and compete with.

All you need is a mobile app programmer, a lawyer and probably a UI designer- the latter two are a one time expense. There's really no need management or any additional staff beyond a single developer/owner. No one else is needed and they will just cannibalize profits and hurt growth. There is no reason this can't be bootstrapped by a single developer. The other skills required are modest, one time expenses.
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