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[FlipPro]

I am currently debating on whether or not to give this project to someone who is more in tune with the adult industry than I am. If you would like this idea please PM me to inquire about it.

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[hugolp]

So what do you need?

[BitcoinPorn]

If I had the time, you don't know how much I could possibly help in a few aspects.  Fucking bills.  I thought you were domain whoring at me in a PM, which I get a lot, makes no sense to me, the value of a domain is only as good as it's content imo, so sorry if I did not reply there.

You make a good offer and I hope anyone who does sees this and is able to help, do so.  Having a team behind a site instead of every man for themselves will not only help everyone personally quicker of course, but in the long run make for a quality site, something lacking in the Bitcoin community.  I am not a huge fan of the retro-Fortunecity.com layout of most peoples pages.

If you need people to write custom scripts, programs, there are web sites that do commission jobs.  I think that would be the best route.   Graphics could be commission, pay by BTC, even put in the post how much you would be willing to pay for a logo, graphic, banner, icon, etc.

By the way, if you were able to pay me in advance for a month where I could quit my nine to five, I could help with graphics, design, light code, e-commerce experience, and I also could get some girls and explain it to them.  This would of course have to be backed by lawyers to guarantee at the least the initial girls would not be affected by market price.  If I had the time, good luck, if you could get this going it can be a nice thing

[FlipPro]

If I had the time, you don't know how much I could possibly help in a few aspects.  Fucking bills.  I thought you were domain whoring at me in a PM, which I get a lot, makes no sense to me, the value of a domain is only as good as it's content imo, so sorry if I did not reply there.

You make a good offer and I hope anyone who does sees this and is able to help, do so.  Having a team behind a site instead of every man for themselves will not only help everyone personally quicker of course, but in the long run make for a quality site, something lacking in the Bitcoin community.  I am not a huge fan of the retro-Fortunecity.com layout of most peoples pages.

If you need people to write custom scripts, programs, there are web sites that do commission jobs.  I think that would be the best route.   Graphics could be commission, pay by BTC, even put in the post how much you would be willing to pay for a logo, graphic, banner, icon, etc.

By the way, if you were able to pay me in advance for a month where I could quit my nine to five, I could help with graphics, design, light code, e-commerce experience, and I also could get some girls and explain it to them.  This would of course have to be backed by lawyers to guarantee at the least the initial girls would not be affected by market price.  If I had the time, good luck, if you could get this going it can be a nice thing

Everyones working for free right now bro. I am in the same boat as you are.

tweetforum took me 14 months to come up with, so right now the only choice I have is mine for bitcoins, and work my ass off at my day job (fixing computers) so I can hopefully catch up on bills. I can't offer any payments right now, and if i could I wouldn't be here asking for help. I would have already done the things you said above if I had the money, but I don't. I realize that even if I did have the money, it's still wouldn't be as good as if it were a team oriented project where everyone has a real stake.

My plan was making an ewallet, the customer signs up with an email address and password. They get a designated wallet with a bitcoin address that they send to (us), and then they pay in "Credits". We actually don't even need to pay the girls in bitcoins if we don't want to,  we can just pay them in cash at the end of their work day, they convert the credits to $$$. Obviously we would need a starting bankroll for that so at the start that might not be possible. But thats where I wana go eventually. The credit's system (similar to what you see at live jasmine) might be the best approach, esp if these girls don't even know what bitcoins are lol. 

[BitcoinPorn]

My plan was making an ewallet, the customer signs up with an email address and password. They get a designated wallet with a bitcoin address that they send to (us), and then they pay in "Credits". We actually don't even need to pay the girls in bitcoins if we don't want to,  we can just pay them in cash at the end of their work day, they convert the credits to $$$. Obviously we would need a starting bankroll for that so at the start that might not be possible. But thats where I wana go eventually. The credit's system (similar to what you see at live jasmine) might be the best approach, esp if these girls don't even know what bitcoins are lol. 

Credits was already something I kind of had in mind, an ewallet very secure system, even maybe using some cash to get a trusted third party security system put in that the public already knows.  That line of thinking is good.   

Did not see your other sites, you do good work, I do hope I get spare time.   I guess though is there anything you were having in mind logo or avatar wise?   Creative and graphic stuff I am able to do at odd hours so toss out anything you already had brainstormed and I could think on that (PM if you don't want to put this out there)

[FlipPro]

My plan was making an ewallet, the customer signs up with an email address and password. They get a designated wallet with a bitcoin address that they send to (us), and then they pay in "Credits". We actually don't even need to pay the girls in bitcoins if we don't want to,  we can just pay them in cash at the end of their work day, they convert the credits to $$$. Obviously we would need a starting bankroll for that so at the start that might not be possible. But thats where I wana go eventually. The credit's system (similar to what you see at live jasmine) might be the best approach, esp if these girls don't even know what bitcoins are lol.  

Credits was already something I kind of had in mind, an ewallet very secure system, even maybe using some cash to get a trusted third party security system put in that the public already knows.  That line of thinking is good.    

Did not see your other sites, you do good work, I do hope I get spare time.   I guess though is there anything you were having in mind logo or avatar wise?   Creative and graphic stuff I am able to do at odd hours so toss out anything you already had brainstormed and I could think on that (PM if you don't want to put this out there)

Bro this domain is good enough to bring regular $$ to. Bitcams.com . EWallets with multiple payment processors would be nice . I will P.M you, when I have a team ready we will have a meeting via ooovooo or skype, so we can get priorities straightened, and make everything official. Do you have any design work you can show me?

And thank you bro, you are the first person that has said that in these forums. I have been trying to tell people about my work, and sometimes with all the spam that goes around on the internet, people are so quick to dismiss it. I am one of those people that wishes spam would just go away, but its one of those necessary evils... Just have to fight through it, and if your a good person people will see it.

Looking forward to working with everyone whos interested in this project. Don't be scared. And if your not into the porn industry, don't worry about it. Let us handle that.  This environment will be very clean, and professional, and I will not ask any of the people working on this to participate in the porn related promos/scouting/ or anything to do with sex. Just had to get that out of the way 1st and foremost.  

[FlipPro]

Everyone on the team will be QA, so please no PM's about being a QA , (Quality Assurance, aka Bug Testing.)

[hugolp]

Looking forward to working with everyone whos interested in this project. Don't be scared. And if your not into the porn industry, don't worry about it. Let us handle that.  This environment will be very clean, and professional, and I will not ask any of the people working on this to participate in the porn related promos/scouting/ or anything to do with sex. Just had to get that out of the way 1st and foremost.  

What? That looks like the best part of the project! 

Seriously, I think this has a great potential. I am a programmer but not a web programmer. If I was I would love to join your team.

[FlipPro]

Looking forward to working with everyone whos interested in this project. Don't be scared. And if your not into the porn industry, don't worry about it. Let us handle that.  This environment will be very clean, and professional, and I will not ask any of the people working on this to participate in the porn related promos/scouting/ or anything to do with sex. Just had to get that out of the way 1st and foremost.  

What? That looks like the best part of the project! 

Seriously, I think this has a great potential. I am a programmer but not a web programmer. If I was I would love to join your team.

Do you have any security credentials? Or anything to contribute to the team? Right now there is no solid members so positions are still avail for anyone who has the skills necessary. I have gotten many pm's of people who want to take over all the jobs, but like I said my aim is quality. It IS going to be an expensive site, that will hopefully gain respect from the entire adult industry. I know if everyone is focusing on just one job, that job will be done 1000x better, thus making more bitcoins for everyone on the team ! I worry about the long run, not short term money which is what 90% of people are after.

[cothoms]

Well, if you ever need any fit, male models, look me up.  Seriously.

[w1R903]

Vegetta, I wish you well with this.  I've got my plate full so I'm afraid I can't contribute (plus I have no idea what an adult site should look like these days).  But you just may be one of the torch bearers for bringing bitcoin to the masses.  Good luck!

[hugolp]

Looking forward to working with everyone whos interested in this project. Don't be scared. And if your not into the porn industry, don't worry about it. Let us handle that.  This environment will be very clean, and professional, and I will not ask any of the people working on this to participate in the porn related promos/scouting/ or anything to do with sex. Just had to get that out of the way 1st and foremost.  

What? That looks like the best part of the project!  

Seriously, I think this has a great potential. I am a programmer but not a web programmer. If I was I would love to join your team.

Do you have any security credentials? Or anything to contribute to the team? Right now there is no solid members so positions are still avail for anyone who has the skills necessary. I have gotten many pm's of people who want to take over all the jobs, but like I said my aim is quality. It IS going to be an expensive site, that will hopefully gain respect from the entire adult industry. I know if everyone is focusing on just one job, that job will be done 1000x better, thus making more bitcoins for everyone on the team ! I worry about the long run, not short term money which is what 90% of people are after.

Im more of a C and embedded programmer (I studied electronic engineering). I have experience in python, Vala and some Java also. I dont have proffessional experience in web development. All I have done in the web is put up a Drupal blog: http://www.errorespuntuales.es/ The design is mine and Im very proud of it since its not "my thing" (the logo was not my decission).

[marcus_of_augustus]

pinkbits.com
showusyourbits.com
... yeah, the bit jokes could go on for a while.

[pharno]

I want to apply here for the position as application developer.

I have great knowledge of PHP/MySQL/HTML/CSS, but I dont know Perl (But I would learn it if Really required), and only have some vague Ideas how CGI works. However, I will never ever code ActiveX, and ASP.

[Jessy Kang]

I can get the girls, I think they would love this compared to the crap they have to deal with now. Just has to be explained to them properly.

It does not work that way.

Don't take offense, but I would suggest hiring someone with Adult business management and marketing experience.

[BitcoinPorn]

It does not work that way.

Don't take offense, but I would suggest hiring someone with Adult business management and marketing experience.

I disagree, but that is only based on experience and ease of the ladies these days who enjoy exposing themselves for free.  I have dealt with the personal cam from home ladies, while on a far less basis than the ladies who just take nude pictures of themselves for upload for free, I have found as long as their pay day is there, I have never experienced one that cares where the money has come from.   But maybe you are making reference to some legal things and not so much just that gap?

The getting them to understand they will be accepting non-USD initially from the consumer, but of course they will get cash, is probably what would be the smallest part of this project, they honestly would just need to see that first real paycheck to get over that hump.

showusyourbits.com

Was going to buy and do something fun with it, but someone has had that one.  Made me giggle.

[Jessy Kang]

Okay, well it's an Adult business thread so I'm actually qualified to offer an opinion.

I used to be the office manager at an Internet porn company before I started my own business. I've worked the back office in Adult businesses for about a decade. During that time, the following two scenarios occur with alarming regularity:

1. People pay money for pornographic photos/videos, so videographers and photographers think they can start a successful porn site.

2. People look at Porn sites that are on servers, so programmers/network admins think they can start a successful porn site.

This is somewhat akin to- I can fix cars, or design nice cars, therefor I should open a car dealership.

The problem is both 1 and 2 are cheap to hire and don't directly make you money. Traffic (well, sales) makes you money. The people that can send high conversion traffic have large, established high-payout sites to promote. Even if you get the dregs- they will require a commission that eats up most of your profit margin. Your overhead is a much higher percentage than that of huge legacy sites who have long since paid of capital expenditures, plus have a fair amount of non-affiliate traffic coming in.

Most people are horrified by the percentage cam providers take- but there are MANY options to choose from, and some ladies do work independently over Skype and YIM. They pay that percentage because the cam providers send a massive amount of traffic so their gross is inevitably higher than if they go it alone. It's no different from renting a Kiosk at the mall.

It's a sound business decision, but leaves a poor taste in customers mouths who want the girl to get more of the money. She always has that option, there are cam hosts of many different tiers, but you get what you pay for. Traffic- and more specifically conversion, is king. The ladies don't need a server or processor- those are a dime a dozen- they need a larger number of potentially paying customers. Bitcoin does not have that- it sends pitifully little traffic.

This is what is most important in an Adult site- it IS the business, but people without Adult industry experience who think porn is easy, relegate it to last place "Oh I'll hire someone" "Oh I can do Search Engine Optimization". Well so can everyone else- and with Adult margins they can hire the best of the best.

First thing you need to do if you are considering an Adult Internet business is rearrange the list of needed skills- first is marketing, second is talent management.

So if you are going to invest sweat equity- the best place to do it is marketing, as it is by far the most costly service to purchase- if you can even find someone decent that won't bankrupt you (which is unlikely). Investing the sweat equity of an inexpensive, easy to source skill set is not helpful.

The technical hurdles are minor. I don't do it, but I've hired people to setup Red/Wowza servers with different billing structures- it's nothing fancy. It's a few weeks of coding then you don't need programmers anymore. Same with designers. There is no long term, full-time position for either of them so why give them a share? The more labor you trim, the higher affiliate payouts you can afford, the more traffic you will get- so you have to run very, very lean.

With any new business venture, you want to determine what your USP is- your Unique Selling Proposition. In the case of "Bitcams" (I do like the name) that is accepting Bitcoins. That is the sole edge over the competition. They have far larger sites, more ladies, lower rates, more traffic- but you have Bitcoin. The problem with this is the lack of what Warren Buffet refers to as a moat.   It is an exceedingly low barrier to entry for competitors. So after a month or two, if things are slowly getting somewhere- they take a look at your Alexa rank, see you are doing okay- they start taking Bitcoin also and undercut you with all of their other advantages- long before you've paid off even a fraction of your initial investment. No moat.

I do Just-in-Time, Pull based staffing- it's part of my "moat" as it is horrifically difficult to implement in an Adult business. When you start, you will require several ladies, working several shifts, willing to sit in front of a camera and be abused all day long while they try and lure guys into paychat. They will not do this for free (really) and it will take you at least six months even with an aggressive affiliate program before you can even approach covering costs let alone earning a profit.

So you will need to pay salary- and a generous one, because girls decent looking enough to build your brand, don't work cheap. Not when there are so many high traffic cam positions open. No, not a single one will sign on based on a promise of big bucks down the line- pretty girls hear big plans from big talkers all day long. Even if you get one to say yet- her boyfriend needs beer money and he's not going to get it if she's on your site rather than an established high traffic site. So you will need a massive amount of capital for payroll.

Adult HR management is a nightmare. It's my personal daily nightmare. Attractive women are not used to being told what to do, or being held to any sort of reasonable standard. Every lady who starts to work at my establishment has been able to show up late, not show up at all, hand in poor quality work, for their entire adult lives and get a pass. Managing them to the point where their presence does not do more harm to the brand than good is incredibly difficult. You are basically running a McDonalds full of entitled hot chicks who are all too good to work the fry machine or take orders.

If you permit offshore models to work the cam, it is difficult to get 2257 compliant ID. She may just give you her older sisters ID, you really have no way of knowing. Big cam sites work with overseas "houses" to manage some of this, but it is still a significant risk. We don't have to go into what the jail time would be even for a single underage model.

So IMHO a cam site, without a USP, high startup costs, and a low barrier for entry is not a great idea.

That being said, there are a few ways one could use cryptocurrency (Bitcoin or it's successor) quite effectively for an Adult startup, with a wide moat and significantly lower startup costs. Which if anyone is interested I can go into- but this post is already insanely long winded  and wishful thinking will probably win out over logic and professional counsel anyway  .

[Jessy Kang]

Can you give me some specifics of what you're after? Please keep it short and direct, no more 2 page essays, you sound highly intelligent, but you need to be able to sell your ideas a bit better.  What do you have to offer to our team?

Wait- you read all that, and the first that came to mind was "yup, she wants what I got- but I'm going to play hard to get..."?

Wow

I was offering some friendly professional advice- won't happen again.

I'm off to start a hosting company, if I can corner just 10% of the market I'll be set for life...

[FlipPro]

Can you give me some specifics of what you're after? Please keep it short and direct, no more 2 page essays, you sound highly intelligent, but you need to be able to sell your ideas a bit better.  What do you have to offer to our team?

Wait- you read all that, and the first that came to mind was "yup, she wants what I got- but I'm going to play hard to get..."?

Wow

I was offering some friendly professional advice- won't happen again.

I'm off to start a hosting company, if I can corner just 10% of the market I'll be set for life...

I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant, but you had a good way of putting your points out. You seem to have a very conservative approach to this entire webcam business and I think that is what I need, however it's always important to stay realistic and within completable goals. How would I prevent competitors from taking me down after they realize Bitcoins are awesome and I am stealing from their market? Well, I believe in a little thing called customer loyalty. If we show how well bitcoins can be used throughout a website economy, we will have support from the entire bitcoin community. You think our customers are going to go to "live jasmin" just because they start offering a bitcoin depository? We will be the first, we will be truly anonymous, and we will have some of the best people in/out of the industry working for us.

[X68N]

LOL;
nice advice from one who had experience with Pornsites.

By the way, do you know if these TGP gallery Sites make any Money?
and how could i setup one/ how des it  work to get content and Payment.
Is it just liek that, i write an email and ask or what? :-)

For example i have a good domain and on Server,
to host on it Porn ads (promotion Galleries)

[TheVirus]

Jessy essentially put the final nail in this project's coffin. Anyone reading this thread will read that post, understand the risks better, and walk away. No professional developer in their right mind would invest their time in a, highly possible, disaster. That and the simple fact that Vegetta essentially ignored Jessy's post and asked for a 'TL;DR' version should be warning enough for any potential developer.

I'm sure it'll happen, but I doubt this is it. There are hundreds of millions of people world-wide that watch porn online and pay with cash. You are talking about using Bitcoins for income (which has shown to be extremely volatile) and your maximum customer size is ~100,000 at best. How can you plan on cornering 10% of the adult industry (which is a multi-billion dollar industry) if your maximum customer size is well under 1%? I think you have a good idea, but everyone has those. You are expecting people to put in a ton of work for you and you don't even have the women locked in, nor do you have any sort of hosting facility locked in. You no upfront capital to pay for marketing, hosting, etc.

It's like going to EA, Ubisoft, Activision and saying you have an incredible game idea that will sell millions. You want to oversee the project. You have nothing physical to show them, no story boards, no game design plan, no outline, just an idea in your brain. You know what they will do? They will politely ask you to leave and not contact them again. I have a background in game design and just because you have an idea doesn't mean a damn thing unless you have a prototype to show.

I'm sorry, but this idea, in its current state, is a pipe dream.

[BitcoinPorn]

It is a great dream.  Those without fully understanding the benefits of being a smaller start up, then working towards larger / broad based goals and being able to adapt to the necessary changes that would go into being a larger / broad based site.   Jessy isn't wrong in his thinking, his thinking I do not believe applies to this project.

[TheVirus]

It is a great dream.  Those without fully understanding the benefits of being a smaller start up, then working towards larger / broad based goals and being able to adapt to the necessary changes that would go into being a larger / broad based site.   Jessy isn't wrong in his thinking, his thinking I do not believe applies to this project.

There's a difference between someone with a dream and someone with a dream and a means to complete it. He wants everyone else to complete this project. He has no technical skills, he has no content lined up, he has no initial capital (not everyone will work for free) and he has no specific goals and outlines of what needs to be done. I'm sure someone with far more resources will take an idea like this and make it happen, but that's because they have the content, skills, and knowledge to do it.

Also, Jessy Kang is a female. Specifically, she's a female dom. Jessy is a female name, Jesse is the the androgynous version.

[w1R903]

Jessy, I actually read your entire post carefully, and although I have no interest in the adult entertainment industry (don't condemn it, just not my thing), I got a lot out of your (and Warren's) ideas.  "Moat" is an important concept; it's essentially why my wife and I had to abandon an educational app that we had put 2 months of part-time work into -- a big player stepped in easily before I got it off the ground since the barriers to entry were low.  As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

That said, with new technologies, there's always a chance an upstart will end up winning big, since being first in counts for a lot.  The barriers to becoming an online BTC exchange were relatively low (some would say too low, but not me).  But look at how successful MtGox was prior to the hack, just because they were one of the first ones in.  A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

[Jessy Kang]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

[swinewine]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

This has been a very interesting thread. I first felt that the BitcoinCam idea was a license to print money but the industry insight that Jessy provided is a real reality check. I think there are lessons here for all potential bitcoin entrepreneurs in any field. Kind of makes me feel sad though: if you cant make money with bitcoin cams where can you  ?

Thanks again for the interesting discussion.

[Vinnie]

Awesome thread! Of course, if all entrepreneurs were easily scared off, we'd still be living in the dark ages.

This makes me think of a book I'm reading at the moment, The Economy of Cities. The author argues that established, highly efficient, large businesses have their place in the economy, but it is small start up firms that are the driving force behind true economic growth. It takes a hotbed of networked small firms coming up with new work, building on old ideas and cannibalizing technology to move an economy forward. This, for instance, is why Detroit was such a marvelous city up until it turned into a few large auto makers dominating the auto industry. Up until that point the Detroit auto industry was a network of small firms and amateurs working out of their home garages, and they invented the modern automobile. As soon as the economy shifted toward mass production they made themselves redundant, because any city in the world with high industrial capacity can engage in high volume manufacturing. They can't, however, imitate imagination and innovation. Of course, this comes at a price: a high rate of failure and low efficiency. But, the author of The Economy of City argues that these are actually the signs of a strong city economy.

More here: http://attackthesystem.com/2011/06/21/more-on-the-economy-of-cities/

[swinewine]

Awesome thread! Of course, if all entrepreneurs were easily scared off, we'd still be living in the dark ages.

This makes me think of a book I'm reading at the moment, The Economy of Cities. The author argues that established, highly efficient, large businesses have their place in the economy, but it is small start up firms that are the driving force behind true economic growth. It takes a hotbed of networked small firms coming up with new work, building on old ideas and cannibalizing technology to move an economy forward. This, for instance, is why Detroit was such a marvelous city up until it turned into a few large auto makers dominating the auto industry. Up until that point the Detroit auto industry was a network of small firms and amateurs working out of their home garages, and they invented the modern automobile. As soon as the economy shifted toward mass production they made themselves redundant, because any city in the world with high industrial capacity can engage in high volume manufacturing. They can't, however, imitate imagination and innovation. Of course, this comes at a price: a high rate of failure and low efficiency. But, the author of The Economy of City argues that these are actually the signs of a strong city economy.

More here: http://attackthesystem.com/2011/06/21/more-on-the-economy-of-cities/

Vinnie: I like how you broadened a discussion about cam porn into the wider topic of macro economics. Kudos 

[Vinnie]

It had turned into a conversation about startups vs. established businesses, anyway.

[FlipPro]

Jessy essentially put the final nail in this project's coffin. Anyone reading this thread will read that post, understand the risks better, and walk away. No professional developer in their right mind would invest their time in a, highly possible, disaster. That and the simple fact that Vegetta essentially ignored Jessy's post and asked for a 'TL;DR' version should be warning enough for any potential developer.

I'm sure it'll happen, but I doubt this is it. There are hundreds of millions of people world-wide that watch porn online and pay with cash. You are talking about using Bitcoins for income (which has shown to be extremely volatile) and your maximum customer size is ~100,000 at best. How can you plan on cornering 10% of the adult industry (which is a multi-billion dollar industry) if your maximum customer size is well under 1%? I think you have a good idea, but everyone has those. You are expecting people to put in a ton of work for you and you don't even have the women locked in, nor do you have any sort of hosting facility locked in. You no upfront capital to pay for marketing, hosting, etc.

It's like going to EA, Ubisoft, Activision and saying you have an incredible game idea that will sell millions. You want to oversee the project. You have nothing physical to show them, no story boards, no game design plan, no outline, just an idea in your brain. You know what they will do? They will politely ask you to leave and not contact them again. I have a background in game design and just because you have an idea doesn't mean a damn thing unless you have a prototype to show.

I'm sorry, but this idea, in its current state, is a pipe dream.

I have many technical skills to offer this project including design/html/css/ and administration.

Final nail? I have over 20pm's I'm reviewing right now from developers who are interested. I even have a guy whos offering to fund the entire project, may I politely ask,  who the fuck are you?

[FlipPro]

Awesome thread! Of course, if all entrepreneurs were easily scared off, we'd still be living in the dark ages.

This makes me think of a book I'm reading at the moment, The Economy of Cities. The author argues that established, highly efficient, large businesses have their place in the economy, but it is small start up firms that are the driving force behind true economic growth. It takes a hotbed of networked small firms coming up with new work, building on old ideas and cannibalizing technology to move an economy forward. This, for instance, is why Detroit was such a marvelous city up until it turned into a few large auto makers dominating the auto industry. Up until that point the Detroit auto industry was a network of small firms and amateurs working out of their home garages, and they invented the modern automobile. As soon as the economy shifted toward mass production they made themselves redundant, because any city in the world with high industrial capacity can engage in high volume manufacturing. They can't, however, imitate imagination and innovation. Of course, this comes at a price: a high rate of failure and low efficiency. But, the author of The Economy of City argues that these are actually the signs of a strong city economy.

More here: http://attackthesystem.com/2011/06/21/more-on-the-economy-of-cities/

Vinnie: I like how you broadened a discussion about cam porn into the wider topic of macro economics. Kudos 

This thread isn't about the ethics of cam porn. It's about getting the necessary people on board to make it happen.

[FlipPro]

Jessy, I actually read your entire post carefully, and although I have no interest in the adult entertainment industry (don't condemn it, just not my thing), I got a lot out of your (and Warren's) ideas.  "Moat" is an important concept; it's essentially why my wife and I had to abandon an educational app that we had put 2 months of part-time work into -- a big player stepped in easily before I got it off the ground since the barriers to entry were low.  As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

That said, with new technologies, there's always a chance an upstart will end up winning big, since being first in counts for a lot.  The barriers to becoming an online BTC exchange were relatively low (some would say too low, but not me).  But look at how successful MtGox was prior to the hack, just because they were one of the first ones in.  A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

You don't know who she is, you don't know who pays her. People with her attitude are the ones that are going to cause this currency to ultimately fail, but it won't happen because people like me won't let it happen. There are many amazing uses for Bitcoins, and cam exchanges are one of them. There are many ways to get around the technical difficulties of a fluctuating currency, and I honestly think the concept of bitcams is rock solid no matter what Jesse or anyone else thinks.

[FlipPro]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

This has been a very interesting thread. I first felt that the BitcoinCam idea was a license to print money but the industry insight that Jessy provided is a real reality check. I think there are lessons here for all potential bitcoin entrepreneurs in any field. Kind of makes me feel sad though: if you cant make money with bitcoin cams where can you  ?

Thanks again for the interesting discussion.

That's the point shes WRONG . Why the hell do people take other people on internet forums so seriously. Half the stuff she spewed on her post was pessimistic garbage, and if you read it initially it was written in an intention to demoralize the entire project as a whole. Who cares what she thinks, if you like bitcams.com and you want to spend your bitcoins there, then what does it matter what any other site is doing? Who cares about her "industry standards", it's girls that need money, that can sign up with very little information, and that can be paid in a fast and anonymous manner. It's a BEAUTIFUL idea, and though it may take a little bit of time to educate the public about bitcoins, it will happen. Money talks bull shit walks, the models will follow the money wherever it is, and right now whether Jesse or anyone reading this post likes it or not, WE HAVE THE MONEY.

[FlipPro]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

I asked you a very specific question.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO OFFER TO THE TEAM? other than your pathetic opinions. If you have NOTHING to offer to the team, please stay the hell away from my thread. This was not posted here to be "debated" on whether or not the idea will work, by trolls like you.

It was posted here in the "Project Development" section so that I could find other people who were willing to work together to form something big! And the insults by others about my "technical abilities" is laughable at best. I have much to offer to the team, and will basically be over-seeing every single job on the team, making sure that everything is working perfectly. I make websites and fix computers for a living, THAT'S WHAT I DO,  how someone thinks I'm technically challenged and can't just pull this entire website by myself is a mystery to me.

Let me repeat myself so the trolls and haters can get it through their thick skulls :

I CAN PULL OFF THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE BY MYSELF.

Now if i were to do it by myself would it be as big, or as secure? Of course not, and that's the reason why I am reaching out the "real" bitcoin community to go in this with me, and build something big, not the trolls like you Jesse. Nags like you hurt the future of our community, and our currency.

Please go away.

[FreeMoney]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

Might there not be a demand for porn sites that can't bill you over and over? I don't need to buy porn, but I'd prereally paranoid about the cancellation process and would gladly pay 10-20% more if I had rock solid proof I couldn't be  billed again without consent.

I realize that all current customers are willing to deal with the risk of recurring payments, but that doesn't mean there isn't a set of people who stay away because of this issue, but could be enticed if it was solved.

I think one good model for a site would be to provide performers with support for a cut of revenue, and allow nearly anyone to join, but tag and organize so that people only see what they want. Performers can put out some content for free and ask for donations and then sell private or custom content too.

[cunicula]

Most people are horrified by the percentage cam providers take- but there are MANY options to choose from, and some ladies do work independently over Skype and YIM. They pay that percentage because the cam providers send a massive amount of traffic so their gross is inevitably higher than if they go it alone. It's no different from renting a Kiosk at the mall.
...
If you permit offshore models to work the cam, it is difficult to get 2257 compliant ID. She may just give you her older sisters ID, you really have no way of knowing. Big cam sites work with overseas "houses" to manage some of this, but it is still a significant risk. We don't have to go into what the jail time would be even for a single underage model.

What I would suggest is a 'overseas house' which operated like a craigslist for offshore bitcoin freelancers working on Skype and YIM. At first, site could try to make money of advertising/referrals. Later, it could charge small fees for posting.

[FlipPro]

Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

Might there not be a demand for porn sites that can't bill you over and over? I don't need to buy porn, but I'd prereally paranoid about the cancellation process and would gladly pay 10-20% more if I had rock solid proof I couldn't be  billed again without consent.

I realize that all current customers are willing to deal with the risk of recurring payments, but that doesn't mean there isn't a set of people who stay away because of this issue, but could be enticed if it was solved.

I think one good model for a site would be to provide performers with support for a cut of revenue, and allow nearly anyone to join, but tag and organize so that people only see what they want. Performers can put out some content for free and ask for donations and then sell private or custom content too.

That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.

[darbsllim]

No middle man gouging the girls

lost interest.

[X68N]

No middle man gouging the girls

lost interest.

maybe you get interest again when the last sentence is corrected:
No middle man gouging the girls -> A real big Man is working the girls doggystyle.

? ;-)

[BitcoinPorn]

German porn viewers know whats up and understand the market

[FreeMoney]

That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.

I'm sure some (most) companies will ID girls, but I bet there are pretty girls who would rather not give you their name and address. Maybe someone will find a way to serve them too without too much risk from the goons.

Has anyone thought this through? You take IDs from girls, then presumably some freak from a bureaucracy wants to see them and now he has their info, but he has to make sure it's really them right? So what, he goes to visit them all or just the youngest ones?

Maybe a service that just sells technical help to girls who then publish themselves could follow the letter of the law without the need to ID them. Ha, I guess the girls would be required to ID themselves.

[FlipPro]

That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.

I'm sure some (most) companies will ID girls, but I bet there are pretty girls who would rather not give you their name and address. Maybe someone will find a way to serve them too without too much risk from the goons.

Has anyone thought this through? You take IDs from girls, then presumably some freak from a bureaucracy wants to see them and now he has their info, but he has to make sure it's really them right? So what, he goes to visit them all or just the youngest ones?

Maybe a service that just sells technical help to girls who then publish themselves could follow the letter of the law without the need to ID them. Ha, I guess the girls would be required to ID themselves.

I think they are going to have to give us some sort of identification for tax purposes anyways. I mean who cares if the models aren't anonymous internally, the main concern is to the customer. It's fine if we know the girls by their first names, it's a different story for the customers though. Anonymity favor the customer in this scenario. If we didn't live in such a sick world full of human traffickers, and underage slaves, we wouldn't have to ask for a single piece of paper.

[FlipPro]

I have decided on who will be the system administrator for this project. I will be contacting all of you shortly, I am just trying to give everyone a chance to see this post, before I choose who will be on the squad. 

I still have to talk to some of you through Skype, and see exactly what your priorities and visions are for the site. Once the team is set we will announce the team members and begin production!

[Jessy Kang]

I make websites and fix computers for a living, THAT'S WHAT I DO,

My favorite quote of the week

[Jessy Kang]

Jessy, are you literally a whore? I don't understand what BDSM is.

Well "not a whore" is usually what Adult workers say (scream) to imply they are better than other Adult workers. So a "whore" in the sense I am in the Adult industry, but not in the sense of taking money for sex. I take pride in having sex for free. Whore is none the less a popular description for me in the forum. It's not very PC, but since it does not really carry the same weight with me as with other women, I let it pass. It's a bit like calling a gay person a "homo".

I own my place so don't session much anymore, but when I do the essence of it is some guys will pay far more to be tortured than they will for sex. My place is one of the top four dungeons in the US by most reckoning. I started it after working in the Adult industry as management- not talent, for many years (content production, cams and static sites). I still maintain my industry contacts, so have a pretty good idea where the gaps in the market are.

[X68N]

Jessy, are you literally a whore? I don't understand what BDSM is.

LOL, BDSM is Bondage & Sado Maso =BDSM
just use goolge.

[Vince Torres]

Well then that's the oddest thing I ever heard before. Learn something new everyday I guess.

[FlipPro]

Jesse I would love to use your contacts, but your way of approaching this entire thing has been appalling. Instead of messaging me and telling me what you had to offer, you instead wrote a monologue about how this business is going to fail. Are you just mad you didn't come up with the domain name or idea first? Are you mad that you have no technical abilities to offer to the team other than your management experience and a few contacts? Why do you hate bitcoins? Don't you understand that if we can't get a good industry going, this currency will be nothing more than a never ended ponzi scheme?
If this site is what I envision it to be I know it can be huge. However, people like you are writing it off before it even gets started, instead of specifying what they have to offer. There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.
You leave a bad taste in my mouth..

[BitcoinPorn]

There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.

It's almost like she has some kind of fetish for pain or something. 

[FlipPro]

There is no doubt in my mind that you have skills that we can use on our team, but once again you have been very offensive for absolutely no reason.

It's almost like she has some kind of fetish for pain or something. 

It's part of the BDSM mentality I guess lol. Maybe shes a tea-bagger  .

[Jessy Kang]

Jesse I would love to use your contacts, but your way of approaching this entire thing has been appalling. Instead of messaging me and telling me what you had to offer, you instead wrote a monologue about how this business is going to fail. Are you just mad you didn't come up with the domain name or idea first? Are you mad that you have no technical abilities to offer to the team other than your management experience and a few contacts?

I've got 12 nude models, a shooting facility, a dedicated offshore steaming server and a ton of adult traffic- you have a CafePress tshirt site and can "fix computers". Yet, you still are convinced I was applying to be on your team.

You Sir are Awesome

 

[Jessy Kang]

Wait, you've got a Twitter account, AND a Cafepress site? Counting Facebook that's like THREE websites you "built"! Holy crap no wonder everyone is lining up to work with you.

EDIT: HOPEFULLY the people we hire won't be remotely close to your level of class.

Tell you what, how about you teach us all a lesson and keep this thread updated with the progress your vast IT empire is making. Since you have assured everyone you can do it all yourself, there should be no excuses if a cam site fails to materialize. When the site appears, you will have "shown us, shown is ALL!"

Future reference- if you want to do something, and a professional who does that thing for a living says "here's the specific reasons why A won't work, here are some specific problems you need to plan for in advance, if you want, here are some ways to increase your chance of success"- that's big ears/small mouth time. There several individuals reading this thread whom are professionals in their own fields- they know this. They see you don't, and that's why they dropped you.

[X68N]

.........

You think I'm some nobody don't you ?

EDIT: HOPEFULLY the people we hire won't be remotely close to your level of class. You need to learn how to speak to people, and stop over generalizing. Your completely arrogant and need to be taught a valuable lesson in life. Not everything is your way, I know your use to beating on pathetic Neanderthals who get pleasure from your fake "dungeon", but I am not one of them. K? 

LOL+++

Why do you think she is in the BDSM sector?? - it is her job to be arrogant and to torture other people!
She is a domina and you are moaning that she is arrogant, that is quiet funny :-)
I think there is just an misunderstanding between you and her ;-)
Dont take it personally, she just is professional even when she is not working... xD

[FlipPro]

Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does. She's still mean as hell though, her crappy attitude erases any of the gains her looks bring her.

We now have a coder for the team ! So we have the positions of Administrator & Application Developer filled. I have decided to merge my position as project manager and webmaster together (since some people were questioning my technical abilities). We still are in need of a pro designer who can make us a beautiful skin for the cms that we will be using. Design will be crucial to the sites success, and the position is still available. Investors who want to buy shares on this site are also welcome to join in. I have already gotten several offers from people who want to fund this project, and take their %, I will be getting in touch with you all shortly, it may even be a full public venture depending on how my team decides to do it. We plan on being really transparent with the site, and showing the Bitcoin community that businesses can be built with this currency, despite what the nay Sayers may say.

[BitcoinPorn]

We plan on being really transparent with the site, and showing the Bitcoin community that businesses can be built with this currency, despite what the nay Sayers may say.

This thread turned out amusing as hell and will be a side note in the history of your site.  Strong supporter of ventures using Bitcoin, I think the ability to make a workable site is easy, but you have the potential for larger things if you get on it properly right off the bat, I only wish the best for this project

[Jessy Kang]

Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does.

No, I act that way when people are not just dismissive- but rude to those who take the time to offer professional, qualified advice.


Look, anyone who wants to do this for real just ignore Vegetta's silly bloated proposal and get Mobile app coder and a lawyer.

1. The first hurdle for cams is talent. First you need to lower the barriers for entry to them. Right now, between faxed releases and IDs it's at least a week- plenty of time to change their mind or be talked out of it. You want impulse, low barrier adoption. Cute 20-something are interesting going shopping now- regular income and sitting around is a tough sell (attendance in most Adult businesses goes up 20% the last week, and down 20% the first week of the month because of rent money- few workers have any savings or any interest in it). Quick cash for what they want, and what they can't get under current business models.

2. Most men who buy porn, cohabitant.

1 and 2 have been the case for quite some time, the following are recent developments that the industry has not moved to take advantage of due to legacy technology investments and complacency.

3. Most hot girls, don't use computers anymore- this is key. Only three of my ladies own computers at home- and all are avid internet users.

4. Wireless cellular broadband is widespread, and cheap.

5. The most recent generation of smartphones have a front facing camera and support two way video chat.

6. The rear, built in high resolution cameras are of sufficient resolution to photograph anf upload an ID.

7. With text scrolling on the screen, the front facing camera can record and upload a video of a model reciting an oral contract.

8. Bitcoin is the ideal- and only practical means of payment as getting merchant account approval for the above would be nearly impossible. The product is unique enough that clients would have an incentive to tackle Bitcoin adoption hurdles. The product is largely made possible by the introduction of Bitcoin.

9. It would not even be necessary to charge a percentage. The ladies would be willing to accept fairly low exchange rates simply for convenience. If they on a moments notice they can put their phone on the end of the bad for 20 minutes, and make either 2BTC or go spend $20 instantly in Amazon- nearly all will choose the later. Shipping would go to the name and address on the photo ID- helping to ensure it's veracity.

10. Pull based. Instead of 20 women waiting around for an 8 hour shift for some guys to show up (and expecting to be compensated for such), they can receive phone notification when the surfer to performer ratio drops below a certain level. During these times which would be more lucrative to be on cam, and increase their average earnings per hour by allowing them to stay offline during off-peak times.

11. Smartphone users are a higher income demographic than computer users.

Benefits:

A single downloadable application can enable a woman to- on an impulse, start making money within minutes.

It allows men to engage in interactive adult chat without being tied to computer that their partner might walk in on.

You would not need a website, or any affiliate marketing.

No need to deal with talent management and associated headaches.

The ladies working from home, when they choose, without set hours would be considered "Independent"- this would have market appeal.

There are no larger players that could take your market share due the the way the app adoption works- you will have far more downloads, more installs, so will maintain a lead over any late comers. You will also be able to stay ahead of the development curve, leaving them to play catch up.

Comparatively low startup costs and monthly overhead. A single server, running Red or Wowza, a single- if somewhat complex app that can be reverse engineered from parts of other already existing apps. A single Android version would suffice to get ones foot in the door. iOS would obviously be an issue.

Minimal staff- the only labor is approving IDs, most of the rest a clever coder could automate.

There is not a single 2-way Adult webcam mobile chat app available at the moment. Easily publicity with a single press release.

If you can't do this project, then have a look at this one to get some ideas.

Or you can pull a Vegetta, piss on professional insight, ignore the market, try and beat the best of the best at a cut-throat business they've been doing for a decade, offering same product but with the additional hassle of a currency no one uses.

[FlipPro]

Shes really hot, that's why she acts the way she does.

No, I act that way when people are not just dismissive- but rude to those who take the time to offer professional, qualified advice.


Look, anyone who wants to do this for real just ignore Vegetta's silly bloated proposal and get Mobile app coder and a lawyer.

1. The first hurdle for cams is talent. First you need to lower the barriers for entry to them. Right now, between faxed releases and IDs it's at least a week- plenty of time to change their mind or be talked out of it. You want impulse, low barrier adoption. Cute 20-something are interesting going shopping now- regular income and sitting around is a tough sell (attendance in most Adult businesses goes up 20% the last week, and down 20% the first week of the month because of rent money- few workers have any savings or any interest in it). Quick cash for what they want, and what they can't get under current business models.

2. Most men who buy porn, cohabitant.

1 and 2 have been the case for quite some time, the following are recent developments that the industry has not moved to take advantage of due to legacy technology investments and complacency.

3. Most hot girls, don't use computers anymore- this is key. Only three of my ladies own computers at home- and all are avid internet users.

4. Wireless cellular broadband is widespread, and cheap.

5. The most recent generation of smartphones have a front facing camera and support two way video chat.

6. The rear, built in high resolution cameras are of sufficient resolution to photograph anf upload an ID.

7. With text scrolling on the screen, the front facing camera can record and upload a video of a model reciting an oral contract.

8. Bitcoin is the ideal- and only practical means of payment as getting merchant account approval for the above would be nearly impossible. The product is unique enough that clients would have an incentive to tackle Bitcoin adoption hurdles. The product is largely made possible by the introduction of Bitcoin.

9. It would not even be necessary to charge a percentage. The ladies would be willing to accept fairly low exchange rates simply for convenience. If they on a moments notice they can put their phone on the end of the bad for 20 minutes, and make either 2BTC or go spend $20 instantly in Amazon- nearly all will choose the later. Shipping would go to the name and address on the photo ID- helping to ensure it's veracity.

10. Pull based. Instead of 20 women waiting around for an 8 hour shift for some guys to show up (and expecting to be compensated for such), they can receive phone notification when the surfer to performer ratio drops below a certain level. During these times which would be more lucrative to be on cam, and increase their average earnings per hour by allowing them to stay offline during off-peak times.

11. Smartphone users are a higher income demographic than computer users.

Benefits:

A single downloadable application can enable a woman to- on an impulse, start making money within minutes.

It allows men to engage in interactive adult chat without being tied to computer that their partner might walk in on.

You would not need a website, or any affiliate marketing.

No need to deal with talent management and associated headaches.

The ladies working from home, when they choose, without set hours would be considered "Independent"- this would have market appeal.

There are no larger players that could take your market share due the the way the app adoption works- you will have far more downloads, more installs, so will maintain a lead over any late comers. You will also be able to stay ahead of the development curve, leaving them to play catch up.

Comparatively low startup costs and monthly overhead. A single server, running Red or Wowza, a single- if somewhat complex app that can be reverse engineered from parts of other already existing apps. A single Android version would suffice to get ones foot in the door. iOS would obviously be an issue.

Minimal staff- the only labor is approving IDs, most of the rest a clever coder could automate.

There is not a single 2-way Adult webcam mobile chat app available at the moment. Easily publicity with a single press release.

If you can't do this project, then have a look at this one to get some ideas.

Or you can pull a Vegetta, piss on professional insight, ignore the market, try and beat the best of the best at a cut-throat business they've been doing for a decade, offering same product but with the additional hassle of a currency no one uses.

I'm listening to you thanks for all the GREAT free advice. I was not thinking along the lines of a mobile app till you mentioned it! Thats actually a wonderful idea, and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

EDIT:BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown. I don't , I think you are a smart business women who has alot to contribute to this, but you said you don't want in, what do you want? To destroy the project ? I still don't understand what your intentions are here other than to troll a perfectly healthy thread.

[Jessy Kang]

BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown.

I'm sure I'm the one they are laughing it.

[BitcoinPorn]

BTW there are many people looking at this thread right now that think you're a clown.

I'm sure I'm the one they are laughing it.

If I was into BDSM I would totally hire her, these posts represent a woman that will remind you what the word dominate means with every glance or some shit.  If I had a very specific cam site in mind, I would definitely go with her too.   But only these things.

[Jessy Kang]

and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

Sure, let us all know how that works out for you.

To anyone actually considering and capable of undertaking this project, I'd offer the following.

A membership site requires an adult designer (3-4k) and a custom CMS (2-4k), a membership management script capable of taking Bitcoin (1k if hardened). It makes no sense to offer shares (recurring income) for a one time expense.

If you build a site, it will then be on the radar of the large players- that's where they look. They think it terms of competing websites- not competing apps. So you've just substantially shortened your lead by announcing that your business model will work on their websites just fine. So their coders will get cracking. This website won't get any traffic without an affiliate program, that cuts into profits and requires a large advertising budget to get the word out to potential affiliates (1k month).

This is one of the problems with businesses started with outside capital- it's easy to spend other peoples money. If it was their own money the developers would come up with something simple and clever, if they have funding- lets have a money fight. If they don't get sacks of money, they claim they can't start anything because no one will fund them.

A simple App website advertising it's functionality (if you use the same UI designer as the app it saves money), and providing a Market link is sufficient. Ideally it's creation would be paid for by income generated from just the initial Android app. Done properly it requires more skill and planning than it does capital. The other guys always have more capital so it's a lousy tool to try and compete with.

All you need is a mobile app programmer, a lawyer and probably a UI designer- the latter two are a one time expense. There's really no need management or any additional staff beyond a single developer/owner. No one else is needed and they will just cannibalize profits and hurt growth. There is no reason this can't be bootstrapped by a single developer. The other skills required are modest, one time expenses.

[FlipPro]

and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

Sure, let us all know how that works out for you.

To anyone actually considering and capable of undertaking this project, I'd offer the following.

A membership site requires an adult designer (3-4k) and a custom CMS (2-4k), a membership management script capable of taking Bitcoin (1k if hardened). It makes no sense to offer shares (recurring income) for a one time expense.

If you build a site, it will then be on the radar of the large players- that's where they look. They think it terms of competing websites- not competing apps. So you've just substantially shortened your lead by announcing that your business model will work on their websites just fine. So their coders will get cracking. This website won't get any traffic without an affiliate program, that cuts into profits and requires a large advertising budget to get the word out to potential affiliates (1k month).

This is one of the problems with businesses started with outside capital- it's easy to spend other peoples money. If it was their own money the developers would come up with something simple and clever, if they have funding- lets have a money fight. If they don't get sacks of money, they claim they can't start anything because no one will fund them.

A simple App website advertising it's functionality (if you use the same UI designer as the app it saves money), and providing a Market link is sufficient. Ideally it's creation would be paid for by income generated from just the initial Android app. Done properly it requires more skill and planning than it does capital. The other guys always have more capital so it's a lousy tool to try and compete with.

All you need is a mobile app programmer, a lawyer and probably a UI designer- the latter two are a one time expense. There's really no need management or any additional staff beyond a single developer/owner. No one else is needed and they will just cannibalize profits and hurt growth. There is no reason this can't be bootstrapped by a single developer. The other skills required are modest, one time expenses.

Why do you think a CMS should cost so much? And whats an "adult designer". I have been looking at some of the top sites, livejasmin.com, www.cam4.com/ , www.sexcams4free.com/, and I honestly don't see anything special about any of them. I will most likely be designing the site, and judging by the #1's on google, the competition ain't seeming as tough as you're pushing Missy. Once again I urge you to look at the indisputable quality of my past work http://tweetforum.com, and tell me I can't design a template better than livejasmin, and if so are you serious? Remember a "design" in the end is just a template. A template that goes over which ever CMS we decide to use, and judging by my competition, I honestly think I can do way better. The most valid point you made was that this will take active promotion, and that's where all the investors that are signing on will come in. They will fuel the marketing aspect of all this, I have a very big PR campaign planned, and I am looking for all the help I can get.

[Jessy Kang]

Why do you think a CMS should cost so much? And whats an "adult designer".

An adult website designer is someone who specialized in high-conversion site designs. Conversion ratio is the percentage of people who visit your site, to those whom signup. It is expressed at 1/500 etc. Better quality traffic improves your conversion ration, as does website design.

A reputable Adult site designer will have a portfolio of sites with community known conversion rates. Their skills are honed by designing, then refining hundreds of sites through multi-variant testing. The top designers have waiting lists several months long- and the hard numbers to justify it. An inexpensive designer may convert at 1/2000, and expensive one at 1/700.

Since conversions are recurring income, and designers are a one time expense, it is seldom worth saving yourself a small amount of money, and losing far more every month for the duration of that designs use. The most basic of newbie mistakes is DIY design, the design pays for itself faster than anything.

I have been looking at some of the top sites, livejasmin.com, www.cam4.com/ , www.sexcams4free.com/, and I honestly don't see anything special about any of them.

I'm sure you don't. That's why this is a profession and everyone can't just walk up and get rich.

I will most likely be designing the site, and judging by the #1's on google, the competition ain't seeming as tough as you're pushing Missy.

Of course, it's easy. Most people just never think of putting up a template, a few stock scripts and grabbing 10% of the market. Kudos to you for being the first to try.

Once again I urge you to look at the indisputable quality of my past work http://tweetforum.com

You used a free forum script (SMF), and changed one image in a stock template (Dziner). So you can use FTP, congratulations. This is the basis for your rather unrealistic assessment of your skill set.

tell me I can't design a template better than livejasmin, and if so are you serious?

Yes. Failing to understand even what defines a "better" design, or how that is quantified, you are unlikely to achieve it.

Remember a "design" in the end is just a template. A template that goes over which ever CMS we decide to use, and

You won't be able to use a stock CMS for a live streaming chat application. It's not like your site where you uploaded a single folder and that was it.

judging by my competition, I honestly think I can do way better.

A more frighting example of the Dunning–Kruger effect I have never seen. It's a bit like watching a train wreck.

[Xenland]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

Sure, let us all know how that works out for you.

To anyone actually considering and capable of undertaking this project, I'd offer the following.

A membership site requires an adult designer (3-4k) and a custom CMS (2-4k), a membership management script capable of taking Bitcoin (1k if hardened). It makes no sense to offer shares (recurring income) for a one time expense.

If you build a site, it will then be on the radar of the large players- that's where they look. They think it terms of competing websites- not competing apps. So you've just substantially shortened your lead by announcing that your business model will work on their websites just fine. So their coders will get cracking. This website won't get any traffic without an affiliate program, that cuts into profits and requires a large advertising budget to get the word out to potential affiliates (1k month).

This is one of the problems with businesses started with outside capital- it's easy to spend other peoples money. If it was their own money the developers would come up with something simple and clever, if they have funding- lets have a money fight. If they don't get sacks of money, they claim they can't start anything because no one will fund them.

A simple App website advertising it's functionality (if you use the same UI designer as the app it saves money), and providing a Market link is sufficient. Ideally it's creation would be paid for by income generated from just the initial Android app. Done properly it requires more skill and planning than it does capital. The other guys always have more capital so it's a lousy tool to try and compete with.

All you need is a mobile app programmer, a lawyer and probably a UI designer- the latter two are a one time expense. There's really no need management or any additional staff beyond a single developer/owner. No one else is needed and they will just cannibalize profits and hurt growth. There is no reason this can't be bootstrapped by a single developer. The other skills required are modest, one time expenses.

[bitfreak!]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

Haha. Well said sir. You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc
I made it in like 4 fucking days entirely by myself. The co.cc domain was free. I simply host it as an add-on domain to one of my existing hosting accounts. So the whole thing basically cost me nothing. Except for the porn videos, which were cheap anyway. And I've basically made that back now anyway. I do need some more videos though.

Note: you obviously wont be able to be a cheap ass like me when it comes to a hosting a cam site though.

[Jessy Kang]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000

Hardened members script. Or have fun paying your bandwidth bill the first time your ditsy htpassword file gets hacked. Good server admins can probably do this themselves. Popular porn sites come under near constant attack- good server admins can make excellent money doing pen-testing and hardening.

Some Adult sites- say an Amateur site, can be competitive with far less expensive design and code- because you can swap out tour images and text pitches to refine it. You already have a certain USP in having an exclusive model so don't need to rely on so heavily on design to differentiate your product.

If you plan to be competitive in a very crowded niche, with many similar looking services, you will need a high-end designer and CMS. Hiring this designer will be something you advertise that will cause affiliates to join your program. They may not know you, but they have promoted other sites by this designer so know how it will convert. So aside from the hard numbers, it is a marketing tool to attract affiliates.

Top designer guy:
http://www.wyldesites.com
He charges in the 5k+ range I was discussing and has a very long waiting list.

Standard paysite CMS:
https://www.adultinterface.com/pricing

So either all the top players in a multi-billion dollar industry are dumber than you, or perhaps you are making assumptions in an industry you have never successfully worked in. In much the same way that people make assumptions about Bitcoin without fully researching it. Opening a penny-ante hobby site, is different from earning a living off of it- or running a corporation behind it.

As you can see, there is good money to be made in adult coding- which is why I advised a code based project, over a much more competitive design and marketing based one. But you gentleman have it all figured out so can come up with something far better.

You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc

18 U.S.C. 2257, 28 CFR § 75.6 (a)
Bitcoin and 2257 violations are not a good combo. Even if you only have eight videos it's not a formality- they enforce. People who play it fast and loose with documentation, or use content of unknown origin tend to be quickly blacklisted by the industry. No one wants to to down with your ship.

Whether or not I am completely ignorant about Adult sites, and starting a successful, competitive one is as easy as some claim is an easy thing to verify. Give it a shot. Get back to us with your results.

[LeFBI]

Except for the porn videos, which were cheap anyway. And I've basically made that back now anyway. I do need some more videos though.

Nice site

May i ask for the source of your videos and if your business is officially legal?

suggestions:
- offer monthly access instead of pay per view only. In my experience monthly access pays better than ppv when it comes to pure video sites (not talking about live shows).
- a "recent updates" page as landing page. Users are lazy, categories are nice but just showing the list videos in order how they were added to the page will get you more clicks
- previews! short free video previews, a view high res preview pictures
- smaller logo. the logo of your site inside the videos is imho too big. i would only put the address of your site in the videos
- who's in the video? porn starlet catalog

I really hope you didn't just download those videos anywhere and are now trying to sell them. If i find any of our videos there, i will hunt you down , haha
I'm thinking about offering bitcoin payment on a view sites too, but before i do that i need some legal questions answered from the official side/finance authority (how to tax it and such...)

[bitfreak!]

Nice site

Thank you.

May i ask for the source of your videos and if your business is officially legal?

Who's asking, LeFBI?   It's just a website where you can download porn. It's no more "legit" than a gambling website.

- offer monthly access instead of pay per view only. In my experience monthly access pays better than ppv when it comes to pure video sites (not talking about live shows).

I thought about it and I might do it at a later stage, when I have more content and more traffic.

- a "recent updates" page as landing page. Users are lazy, categories are nice but just showing the list videos in order how they were added to the page will get you more clicks

That's a good idea too, and I probably will create something like that soon. But a problem is having explicit stuff on the home page. I like having the warning text on the landing, that way they know what they're heading into.

- previews! short free video previews, a view high res preview pictures

Those little preview pics are all there are, I'm afraid. It already takes too long to watermark and upload videos as it is. If they want more, they know how to get it.  

- smaller logo. the logo of your site inside the videos is imho too big. i would only put the address of your site in the videos

Mmmm, I think it's ok how it is. Can't be bothered changing it now. I want to work on the code as much as possible, graphics design isn't really my strong point. I just sort of use simple but effective techniques. edit: oh, you mean in the actual videos. It is a bit big, and I might re-encode them as you said, with just the website address in the corner.

- who's in the video? porn starlet catalog

Nah, wetcoin is just a random conglomerate of porn videos. It's unlikely we'd ever get more than 3 videos off the same girl.

I really hope you didn't just download those videos anywhere and are now trying to sell them. If i find any of our videos there, i will hunt you down , haha Grin

No, I paid a reasonable sum of money for the videos I have on there. I bought them on a freelancer website under the specific conditions I would be able to sell them and that they had to be unmarked so I could apply my own watermarks to them. So I've done all I can, I have provided clear ways for webmasters to contact me if they think I've uploaded copyrighted material.

[Xenland]

Oh wow did you just get tired of doing naughty things for free and did a google search for starting your own porn site?
Seriously, a monthly license for $150? a lifetime license for $4000!
Bandwidth bills!? Look at your computer clock just to make sure its not set to 1995
I havent heard of a bandwidth bill since I was 15 years old....

UPDATE: those types of software packages are for those that don't want to risk hiring a people and not deliever with their advertised skills
with those types of applications your personally guaranteed what your getting since its right in front of you the features list and all.

Sorry blond-e but your assuming that you know everything about the porn industry because you probably run a successful porn site suitable for "YOU". Your brain can't processes anything out of your own experience. This project isn't for one women that can just be ran by her lil'ol self.

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000

Hardened members script. Or have fun paying your bandwidth bill the first time your ditsy htpassword file gets hacked. Good server admins can probably do this themselves. Popular porn sites come under near constant attack- good server admins can make excellent money doing pen-testing and hardening.

Some Adult sites- say an Amateur site, can be competitive with far less expensive design and code- because you can swap out tour images and text pitches to refine it. You already have a certain USP in having an exclusive model so don't need to rely on so heavily on design to differentiate your product.

If you plan to be competitive in a very crowded niche, with many similar looking services, you will need a high-end designer and CMS. Hiring this designer will be something you advertise that will cause affiliates to join your program. They may not know you, but they have promoted other sites by this designer so know how it will convert. So aside from the hard numbers, it is a marketing tool to attract affiliates.

Top designer guy:
http://www.wyldesites.com
He charges in the 5k+ range I was discussing and has a very long waiting list.

Standard paysite CMS:
https://www.adultinterface.com/pricing

So either all the top players in a multi-billion dollar industry are dumber than you, or perhaps you are making assumptions in an industry you have never successfully worked in. In much the same way that people make assumptions about Bitcoin without fully researching it. Opening a penny-ante hobby site, is different from earning a living off of it- or running a corporation behind it.

As you can see, there is good money to be made in adult coding- which is why I advised a code based project, over a much more competitive design and marketing based one. But you gentleman have it all figured out so can come up with something far better.

You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc

18 U.S.C. 2257, 28 CFR § 75.6 (a)
Bitcoin and 2257 violations are not a good combo. Even if you only have eight videos it's not a formality- they enforce. People who play it fast and loose with documentation, or use content of unknown origin tend to be quickly blacklisted by the industry. No one wants to to down with your ship.

Whether or not I am completely ignorant about Adult sites, and starting a successful, competitive one is as easy as some claim is an easy thing to verify. Give it a shot. Get back to us with your results.

[LeFBI]

I havent heard of a bandwidth bill since I was 15 years old....

You judge this by your home dsl flatrate? for servers you (sadly) have to pay for their bandwith

[FlipPro]

I havent heard of a bandwidth bill since I was 15 years old....

You judge this by your home dsl flatrate? for servers you (sadly) have to pay for their bandwith

Not necc. it depends who your hosting with. But if you use a .SWF based system the bandwidth use will be minimal. Bandwidth is seriously the last thing we're worried about here.

[shads]

I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant, but you had a good way of putting your points out.

Vegetta do you self a favour and read every word she's written until you DO understand.  Read it a thousand times if necessary, it's some of the best advice you're ever gonna get and she's giving it you free despite the torrent of abuse you're throwing at her... Maybe she likes it, who knows.

I'm a professional web dev and I've lost count of the number of times I've been approached by someone with a great idea that's going to be the next facebook and as long I can work for free I can have a little cut.  I would do it if she asked me, I don't give my respect to whores easily but she earned it in one post and built on it in every one that followed.  You on the other hand have shown yourself to be petulant with an out of control ego.  If you want to succeed don't take all advice as criticism and when it is criticism listen to it instead of getting defensive.  There's something to be learned even from the most unjustified of criticism.

[LeFBI]

Not necc. it depends who your hosting with.

Who hosts VOD services without bandwith limitations? (serious question! i really would like to know and ask for their conditions)

But if you use a .SWF based system the bandwidth use will be minimal.

With SWF you can reduce the traffic on classic video download sites, because the user can play the videos online and skip to the part where he wants to fap to and doesn't need to download gigabytes. Bandwith prices were also the reason why Brazzers for example had there HD videos limited in the beginning, users had to pay extra $$$ if they wanted HD. Then they implemented HD streaming and everyone can now download HD without extra payment. They didn't do this just for the user, they did it because it reduced the bandwith usage. But this scenario doesn't apply to a cam site, you can't skip a minute forward there. In the beginning it sure won't be a problem on a cam site but if the sites lifts up...any Hoster will contact you sooner or later if you hit their bandwith limit....they will "kindly ask" to discuss new contract conditions ...that's at least my experience ^^,

[FlipPro]

Not necc. it depends who your hosting with.

Who hosts VOD services without bandwith limitations? (serious question! i really would like to know and ask for their conditions)

But if you use a .SWF based system the bandwidth use will be minimal.

With SWF you can reduce the traffic on classic video download sites, because the user can play the videos online and skip to the part where he wants to fap to and doesn't need to download gigabytes. Bandwith prices were also the reason why Brazzers for example had there HD videos limited in the beginning, users had to pay extra $$$ if they wanted HD. Then they implemented HD streaming and everyone can now download HD without extra payment. They didn't do this just for the user, they did it because it reduced the bandwith usage. But this scenario doesn't apply to a cam site, you can't skip a minute forward there. In the beginning it sure won't be a problem on a cam site but if the sites lifts up...any Hoster will contact you sooner or later if you hit their bandwith limit....they will "kindly ask" to discuss new contract conditions ...that's at least my experience ^^,

Ever thought of us just simply self hosting it? I def have the connection, and the power to host it myself if it comes down to it..

EDIT:Like I said this is of minimal concern right now. Right now we need 1 graphics designer, and a few more investors, and we will have a serious group of people ready to make bitcams.com theirs.

[Alex Beckenham]

Lol, I pm'ed her asking her exactly what she was after.

I've read the entire thread... it seems to me she wasn't after anything... just offering (good) free advice that fell on deaf ears.

[FlipPro]

I am not going to lie to you guys, someone like her would be an extremely valuable asset to the team. I am just trying to figure out what she's after lol. Thats all..

[Tronlet]

Some people just naturally write long posts like that. I've tried to keep my posts somewhat shorter on here but if you checked my post history you'd see a couple posts that go on longer than the typical post.

It usually goes like "Oh, hey, someone's misguided on the internet, I'll write a short but detailed post to helpfully show something", and then as you write it, you realize there's so much detail that you don't want to leave out, and about 30 minutes later you've got a nice long post on your hands detailing much more than you intended.

Does she need a motive? She's human, is she not? Just a bit more literate and completion-oriented than you, it seems. Hell, even this relatively short post is going on much longer than I thought it would.

She gave you good advice. You ignored it, questioned her motives, and went on with this silliness.

So basically, you are too amateur to properly run this. I also like how you spelled "grammar" "grammer" in the original post. Nice.

Edit: And "excepting" instead of "accepting". Apparently you will accept shares from anyone, aside from shares from investors, which you are excepting.

[BitcoinPorn]

So basically, you are too amateur to properly run this. I also like how you spelled "grammar" "grammer" in the original post. Nice.

Edit: And "excepting" instead of "accepting". Apparently you will accept shares from anyone, aside from shares from investors, which you are excepting.

C'mon now, let's keep things to the topic and not be stupid about accidentally spelling errors on forums.  We are all human, the fact that you bring this up at all makes one question your motives in this thread now too.  Either way, again, errors happen all over for everyone.

I'm sure I'm the one they are laughing it.

Obviously amusing as hell, I know I was laughing 'it' her.  It's like when someone online points out another person is a 'moran'.... but it is stupid, who cares, accident, if you got the point, that is what matters.

Jessy at this point definitely seems as though is just trying to be harmful PR-wise to anyone not wanting to establish a successful site using her methods.  She can't accept that it is possible otherwise, that is fine.

[FlipPro]

Some people just naturally write long posts like that. I've tried to keep my posts somewhat shorter on here but if you checked my post history you'd see a couple posts that go on longer than the typical post.

It usually goes like "Oh, hey, someone's misguided on the internet, I'll write a short but detailed post to helpfully show something", and then as you write it, you realize there's so much detail that you don't want to leave out, and about 30 minutes later you've got a nice long post on your hands detailing much more than you intended.

Does she need a motive? She's human, is she not? Just a bit more literate and completion-oriented than you, it seems. Hell, even this relatively short post is going on much longer than I thought it would.

She gave you good advice. You ignored it, questioned her motives, and went on with this silliness.

So basically, you are too amateur to properly run this. I also like how you spelled "grammar" "grammer" in the original post. Nice.

Edit: And "excepting" instead of "accepting". Apparently you will accept shares from anyone, aside from shares from investors, which you are excepting.

Thanks for all the great spelling observations sir. You are exactly what we need on the team, an editor! Are you here to fill out for the position, or just here to simply troll sir?  

[Tronlet]

Aw man, see what I'm talking about? This post got way too long.

C'mon now, let's keep things to the topic and not be stupid about accidentally spelling errors on forums.  We are all human, the fact that you bring this up at all makes one question your motives in this thread now too. Either way, again, errors happen all over for everyone.

Point granted, I am regularly amused by your quality posts by the way. I was just put off by his own slightly trollish behavior.

Given that the thread is so long I skimmed a lot of it, if I had noticed her misspelling I no doubt would have pointed it out as well. Not that this is a decent behavior that adds to the community, I'm just saying, equal treatment and all.

Watching all the people who would typically call someone like her a troll, flying to her defense is so amusing. This is why she has so much control, because of weak-minded males who need to be told what to do 24/7 & bend over to a few fancy words.

There is no way to prove otherwise, so all I can really do here is say that that honestly had absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm just a fellow long-winded talker who often corrects things that I feel need to be corrected because of simple compulsion, and understood why she was doing what she was doing. You have no reason to believe this, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

Edit: On the subject of her supposed attractiveness, that avatar looks like an advertising image or some licensed image, not an actual picture of her. That's the vibe I got from the instant I looked at the avatar, so I know there was no subconscious bias. (Again, not that you have any reason to believe me, just thought I'd point it out.)

Thanks for all the great spelling observations sir. You are exactly what we need on the team, an editor! Are you here to fill out for the position, or just here to simply troll sir?  

Well, I'm definitely not here to troll and it would be appreciated if you would stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Yes, I was being mocking, and that was unnecessary, but hey, I'm a human.

However, I do have very good grammar and general handle on the English language and assuming you're willing to put aside the brief personal differences and are actually serious about this, I'd be interested in filling the position. I'm obviously pedantic to a degree and have noticed typos in all sorts of websites that should know better. (I don't think perfect spelling is intrinsic in any way, I'm not stupid, but it's an arbitrary standard that when not followed implies an unprofessional business.)

[FlipPro]

Aw man, see what I'm talking about? This post got way too long.

C'mon now, let's keep things to the topic and not be stupid about accidentally spelling errors on forums.  We are all human, the fact that you bring this up at all makes one question your motives in this thread now too. Either way, again, errors happen all over for everyone.

Point granted, I am regularly amused by your quality posts by the way. I was just put off by his own trollish behavior and the slight hypocrisy in these misspellings.

Given that the thread is so long I skimmed a lot of it, if I had noticed her misspelling I no doubt would have pointed it out as well. Not that this is a decent behavior that adds to the community, I'm just saying, equal treatment and all.

Watching all the people who would typically call someone like her a troll, flying to her defense is so amusing. This is why she has so much control, because of weak-minded males who need to be told what to do 24/7 & bend over to a few fancy words.

There is no way to prove otherwise, so all I can really do here is say that that honestly had absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm just a fellow long-winded talker who often corrects things that I feel need to be corrected because of simple compulsion, and understood why she was doing what she was doing. You have no reason to believe this, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

Thanks for all the great spelling observations sir. You are exactly what we need on the team, an editor! Are you here to fill out for the position, or just here to simply troll sir?  

Well, I'm definitely not here to troll and it would be appreciated if you would stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Yes, I was being mocking, and that was unnecessary, but hey, I'm a human.

However, I do have very good grammar and general handle on the English language and assuming you're willing to put aside the brief personal differences and are actually serious about this, I'd be interested in filling the position. I'm obviously pedantic to a degree and have noticed typos in all sorts of websites that should know better. (I don't think perfect spelling is intrinsic in any way, I'm not stupid, but it's an arbitrary standard that when not followed implies an unprofessional business.)

I am serious about a full site editor. We want our content to be quality. I am no pro at the English language, yet I try to get better at it every day. Half the time when I misspell or make obvious mistakes, it's cause I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep total. I work very, very hard and half the time I can't even review my own posts. This forum in itself is so time consuming, and I am hoping to get this project under way by Monday or Tuesday so I can spend alot less time on here wasting time...  Once the site is done, I think we will be hiring an editor to go in and improve our content. Your on my list. (And yes I will pay you or anyone I choose to do this editing task. )

[Tronlet]

I am serious about a full site editor. We want our content to be quality. I am no pro at the English language, yet I try to get better at it every day. Half the time when I misspell or make obvious mistakes, it's cause I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep total. I work very, very hard and half the time I can't even review my own posts. This forum in itself is so time consuming, and I am hoping to get this project under way by Monday or Tuesday so I can spend alot less time on here wasting time...  Once the site is done, I think we will be hiring an editor to go in and improve our content. Your on my list. (And yes I will pay you or anyone I choose to do this editing task. )

Sounds good, messaging you.

[X68N]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

Haha. Well said sir. You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc
I made it in like 4 fucking days entirely by myself. The co.cc domain was free. I simply host it as an add-on domain to one of my existing hosting accounts. So the whole thing basically cost me nothing. Except for the porn videos, which were cheap anyway. And I've basically made that back now anyway. I do need some more videos though.

Note: you obviously wont be able to be a cheap ass like me when it comes to a hosting a cam site though.

LOL tricky - when 2 people dicuss how to do it, you just did it ;-)

great start, but offcourse 2 things must be better : Design and unique content (maybe a theme)

greets

[bitfreak!]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

Haha. Well said sir. You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc
I made it in like 4 fucking days entirely by myself. The co.cc domain was free. I simply host it as an add-on domain to one of my existing hosting accounts. So the whole thing basically cost me nothing. Except for the porn videos, which were cheap anyway. And I've basically made that back now anyway. I do need some more videos though.

Note: you obviously wont be able to be a cheap ass like me when it comes to a hosting a cam site though.

LOL tricky - when 2 people dicuss how to do it, you just did it ;-)

great start, but offcourse 2 things must be better : Design and unique content (maybe a theme)

greets

I thought the design was quite good myself. Not too over the top, but still appealing. It does need a bit of touching up and refinement though. The content on the other hand is my major problem. I don't have the money to hire girls to produce original videos, that is beyond me. I might be able to pay for original amateur videos. I'll wait till I have a bit more a Bitcoin pile built up first.  

@ the OP. Let me clear some things up for you. It would be quite simple for a programmer to create a porn website that integrates with Bitcoin. The MyBitcoin SCI is actually fairly easy to implement, and it allows for transactions quite similar to PayPal. This talk of thousands and thousands of dollars is completely ridiculous and is engineered to deter you from progress imo. I reckon I could create a decent Bitcoin cam website for around 1K USD (with help obviously).

An adult webcam site could be extremely profitable and popular, because customers would have anonymity. Stick with it. And also, do not buy one of those ridiculous expensive "adult CMS" platforms. That is completely retarded. Anyone who knows what they are doing can easily program an adult website from scratch, this isn't rocket science. A webcam site will be slightly more complicated, but still try to avoid commercial CMS platforms.

[FlipPro]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

Haha. Well said sir. You guys want to see a working example of a Bitcoin porn site. Here you go: http://wetcoin.co.cc
I made it in like 4 fucking days entirely by myself. The co.cc domain was free. I simply host it as an add-on domain to one of my existing hosting accounts. So the whole thing basically cost me nothing. Except for the porn videos, which were cheap anyway. And I've basically made that back now anyway. I do need some more videos though.

Note: you obviously wont be able to be a cheap ass like me when it comes to a hosting a cam site though.

LOL tricky - when 2 people dicuss how to do it, you just did it ;-)

great start, but offcourse 2 things must be better : Design and unique content (maybe a theme)

greets

I thought the design was quite good myself. Not too over the top, but still appealing. It does need a bit of touching up and refinement though. The content on the other hand is my major problem. I don't have the money to hire girls to produce original videos, that is beyond me. I might be able to pay for original amateur videos. I'll wait till I have a bit more a Bitcoin pile built up first.  

@ the OP. Let me clear some things up for you. It would be quite simple for a programmer to create a porn website that integrates with Bitcoin. The MyBitcoin SCI is actually fairly easy to implement, and it allows for transactions quite similar to PayPal. This talk of thousands and thousands of dollars is completely ridiculous and is engineered to deter you from progress imo. I reckon I could create a decent Bitcoin cam website for around 1K USD (with help obviously).

An adult webcam site could be extremely profitable and popular, because customers would have anonymity. Stick with it. And also, do not buy one of those ridiculous expensive "adult CMS" platforms. That is completely retarded. Anyone who knows what they are doing can easily program an adult website from scratch, this isn't rocket science. A webcam site will be slightly more complicated, but still try to avoid commercial CMS platforms.

Thank you for your post.

EDIT:Not saying we were doing any of the stuff she was talking about  anyways. I was just in awe at the amount of people that were justifying her insane commentary. Thank you for a reasonable response.

[X68N]

Could i ask why Webcams?
Why not Images or Videos? The market is the Bigge i think, did you campare that?

I dont like Cams because the Resolution sux xD
Or did you plan FullHD-Webcams? this would suck a lot of Traffic.

[FlipPro]

Could i ask why Webcams?
Why not Images or Videos? The market is the Bigge i think, did you campare that?

I dont like Cams because the Resolution sux xD
Or did you plan FullHD-Webcams? this would suck a lot of Traffic.

Why cars? Why airplanes? Why Xbox 360 when you can have a PS3?

SMH -_-

[sunyag]

Jessy, your insights in this thread have been exceedingly intelligent.

[X68N]

Could i ask why Webcams?
Why not Images or Videos? The market is the Bigge i think, did you campare that?

I dont like Cams because the Resolution sux xD
Or did you plan FullHD-Webcams? this would suck a lot of Traffic.

Why cars? Why airplanes? Why Xbox 360 when you can have a PS3?

SMH -_-

trolling? ;-) serious question.
If you thougt about to make a business Porn Site, you should have arguments why you choose this
type/niche and not another. If not you play a lottery and you could switch right now to a car and airplane site like BitScout24.com xD

[elk-tamer]

Excellent thread. Like watching an adult trying to convince a 5yr old not to eat paste.
Eat the paste, Vegetta. But save Jessy's posts and read them again after you get the taste out of your mouth.

[FlipPro]

Excellent thread. Like watching an adult trying to convince a 5yr old not to eat paste.
Eat the paste, Vegetta. But save Jessy's posts and read them again after you get the taste out of your mouth.

Where are all these small posters coming from? Is this Jessy making a buncha fake accounts to try to demoralize this thread some more?

[FlipPro]

Could i ask why Webcams?
Why not Images or Videos? The market is the Bigge i think, did you campare that?

I dont like Cams because the Resolution sux xD
Or did you plan FullHD-Webcams? this would suck a lot of Traffic.

Why cars? Why airplanes? Why Xbox 360 when you can have a PS3?

SMH -_-

trolling? ;-) serious question.
If you thougt about to make a business Porn Site, you should have arguments why you choose this
type/niche and not another. If not you play a lottery and you could switch right now to a car and airplane site like BitScout24.com xD

Webcams are the only porn I would ever see myself paying for. Everything else is just so much more readily available online through sites like xhamster or spankwire. You also get pretty decent quality in these sites for free. Not everyone needs HD 1080P porn sir, some people like webcams just for the simple rush of having another human do something somewhat demoralizing for money. It's people getting other people off, and unfortunately at this point it's one of the few platforms I think could be an instant success in this community.

Don't get me wrong I like sex, and I think it's healthy to have a good appetite for sex, and though an adult site would never have been my first choice, I believe this community needs an electric jolt! If people can recall much of the Internets early success was through porn, and hardcore porn might I add. The same might be said for Bitcoins, especially now that the team has decided to go into the public stock exchange GLBSE.

You should never underestimate human demand for sex, especially in a forum full of Finance and Computer nerds , no pun intended!

[X68N]

Could i ask why Webcams?
Why not Images or Videos? The market is the Bigge i think, did you campare that?

I dont like Cams because the Resolution sux xD
Or did you plan FullHD-Webcams? this would suck a lot of Traffic.

Why cars? Why airplanes? Why Xbox 360 when you can have a PS3?

SMH -_-

trolling? ;-) serious question.
If you thougt about to make a business Porn Site, you should have arguments why you choose this
type/niche and not another. If not you play a lottery and you could switch right now to a car and airplane site like BitScout24.com xD

Webcams are the only porn I would ever see myself paying for. Everything else is just so much more readily available online through sites like xhamster or spankwire. You also get pretty decent quality in these sites for free. Not everyone needs HD 1080P porn sir, some people like webcams just for the simple rush of having another human do something somewhat demoralizing for money. It's people getting other people off, and unfortunately at this point it's one of the few platforms I think could be an instant success in this community.
..........

LOL, that is exact what my guess was.
So it was not an exact market analysis, it is just what you would pay for.
So when you have a lunchbreak in your new company you could login for free to relax, or what? xD

I think that is not a good advice.
Better take a Look a pornreview sites, to get an idea for what other poeple pay and how big these groups are.
I have a experience of some years as a custumer, so i know a lot of the big sites, but these 2 you name
i never heard.

What i know for example are big Sites Like Bangbros Network, Nubilies.net, Metart, LSG Hegre Art,
Lightspeed Group, Reality Kings, Brazzers Network, DDF Production, FTV Grils, Lia19, Sapphic Erotica,
Penthouse, Twistys,
 - These are only Sites i could standup memorise now xD
i know of a lot more course more, but i think this is enough to get an idea what popular sites are and what they offer.
(this is a list of popular Sites, dont get me wrong that this are all my favourites ;-)

greets

[Karmicads]

I wouldn't ordinarily quote myself, but this thread like a number of others, clearly seem contaminated by a certain 'element' or perhaps I should say: a silicone based compound. It seems to have leached into the water around here and ever since, has had a horribly divisive effect on members of this community, who would otherwise be more enthusiastic, supportive and cordial to each other. I would just advise anybody climbing the hillsides of the booby trap ranges, not to loose their footing and tumble into the deep crevasse of Silicone Valley.

If I were say the government or the fed, planning to send some agent of  to create disharmony and to try undermine the values of this community, I might choose a sexually liberated vixen, who many guys will be quite reticent to find fault with, because most guys tend to be more forgiving with our women folk. She'd be coached in making a calculated ploy, to inflame egos and subtly troll for emotive controversy, taking a disparaging, abrasive line that she knows full well that somebody will take issue with, then precede to play the victim card, when the inevitable backlash arrives. It won't be her fault she will protest, as she's just giving good advice and being helpful. Having inflamed a hostile reaction her work is done, as those who join the discussion will tend to take sides. Others may offer some limited agreement, but not to the extent that they would have raised the issue themselves. Yet by contributing to the contentious issue, her supporters will have picked up a hand, and so find themselves playing the game.

She my also make obnoxious claims that the people here in staff roles, are persecuting her and shutting her down; that they are offensive tyrants, who insist on victimizing her. She waste no time in overtly drawing on the support of others to challenge status quo,  while making not the slightest attempt to negotiate a diplomatic solution or temper her hostility, but rather adding fuel to the fire, by pulling such grandstanding stunts, as placing her brazen accusations in her signature, with links to threads where she has made her petulant contentious, confrontations. As well as this she would very likely rail against bitcoin as community, for it's ethos and values, while pretending to be a contributor with valuable constructive criticism yet patronizing those who find her criticisms disagreeable. She would never seem to just make an unreserved encouraging comment herself, but rather positing her 'advice' as stern criticism without qualifying her unsolicited opinion. It will never even be intended as friendly or helpful advice, but rather calculated, as mildly acerbic and derogatory criticism, so that the bystander, is likely to care less than the subject of her backhanded helpful 'advice'.

She should also make audacious calls, for tumultuous changes, that would undermine the community such as removing an entire forum. In this community the best target for inducing conflict and to divide the community into seperate factions, would be the politics & society forum. So that's what I'd advise her to do, post a thread calling for Politics to be removed, as either a ploy for invoking contentious flame wars, or if some how successful, to weaken the community and undermine the education of newcomers, for whom the philosophical underpinnings of generally libertarian values might empower them to turn from curious to dedicated community members,  expect support for substantive  Some may entirely agree, just for the sake of solidarity with (what they perceive as) the hot vixen while others. A segregated politics board on a separate website, would hardy be visited anywhere near as much, if it isn't here on bitcoin.org.

I would also have her loudly trumpet mainstream business values, demanding consideration for crass corporate elitism and have her advocate the need to pander to the whims of corporate despots, who she claims, expect bitcoin to adopt a corporate stylized image (including the removal of  the politics forum). She will insist that these so called 'business people' are taken aback by the forums being contaminated with appeals for an uprising against government an tax evasion advocacy. Highlighting a potentially negative aspect and putting bitcoin down will also be a priority even declaring that it doomed to failure, withdrawing her participation in using bitcoin for business. That's what I'd do if I were a politician or senior executive of the Fed, and I wanted to disrupt the community and spawn contention and resentment. These divisive ploys, wouldn't be neatly as effective, coming from a typical guy or a more conservative looking girl. A politician would probably find a girl of this caliber at a B&D/S&M fetish fantasy dungeon. That's where they all go for their guilty pleasures isn't it?

I said I intended to quote myself. Reading this whole thread and putting it into the context of the above post, consider these words of mine from another thread, which happens to be calling for the removal of the politics forum:

The coming days will present many challenges, as we can expect covert attacks on the community, attempting to usurp the libertarian stronghold, have it relegated to obscurity, or just disrupt the cohesion of the community by instigation of contentious divisions, and mud-raking to incriminate community members of higher profile and foster resentment for things that might have come to nothing.

[Alex Beckenham]

Excellent thread. Like watching an adult trying to convince a 5yr old not to eat paste.
Eat the paste, Vegetta. But save Jessy's posts and read them again after you get the taste out of your mouth.

Where are all these small posters coming from? Is this Jessy making a buncha fake accounts to try to demoralize this thread some more?

I don't think the post-count has anything to do with it, I could have said exactly the same thing as elk-tamer... good analogy.

[shads]

Where are all these small posters coming from?

  You sir are a tool.

It just gets better and better, where's the popcorn.

[X68N]

I wouldn't ordinarily quote myself, but this thread like a number of others, clearly seem contaminated by a certain 'element' or perhaps I should say: a silicone based compound. It seems to have leached into the water around here and ever since, has had a horribly divisive effect on members of this community, who would otherwise be more enthusiastic, supportive and cordial to each other. I would just advise anybody climbing the hillsides of the booby trap ranges, not to loose their footing and tumble into the deep crevasse of Silicone Valley.

If I were say the government or the fed, planning to send some agent of  to create disharmony and to try undermine the values of this community, I might choose a sexually liberated vixen, who many guys will be quite reticent to find fault with, because most guys tend to be more forgiving with our women folk. She'd be coached in making a calculated ploy, to inflame egos and subtly troll for emotive controversy, taking a disparaging, abrasive line that she knows full well that somebody will take issue with, then precede to play the victim card, when the inevitable backlash arrives. It won't be her fault she will protest, as she's just giving good advice and being helpful. Having inflamed a hostile reaction her work is done, as those who join the discussion will tend to take sides. Others may offer some limited agreement, but not to the extent that they would have raised the issue themselves. Yet by contributing to the contentious issue, her supporters will have picked up a hand, and so find themselves playing the game.

She my also make obnoxious claims that the people here in staff roles, are persecuting her and shutting her down; that they are offensive tyrants, who insist on victimizing her. She waste no time in overtly drawing on the support of others to challenge status quo,  while making not the slightest attempt to negotiate a diplomatic solution or temper her hostility, but rather adding fuel to the fire, by pulling such grandstanding stunts, as placing her brazen accusations in her signature, with links to threads where she has made her petulant contentious, confrontations. As well as this she would very likely rail against bitcoin as community, for it's ethos and values, while pretending to be a contributor with valuable constructive criticism yet patronizing those who find her criticisms disagreeable. She would never seem to just make an unreserved encouraging comment herself, but rather positing her 'advice' as stern criticism without qualifying her unsolicited opinion. It will never even be intended as friendly or helpful advice, but rather calculated, as mildly acerbic and derogatory criticism, so that the bystander, is likely to care less than the subject of her backhanded helpful 'advice'.

She should also make audacious calls, for tumultuous changes, that would undermine the community such as removing an entire forum. In this community the best target for inducing conflict and to divide the community into seperate factions, would be the politics & society forum. So that's what I'd advise her to do, post a thread calling for Politics to be removed, as either a ploy for invoking contentious flame wars, or if some how successful, to weaken the community and undermine the education of newcomers, for whom the philosophical underpinnings of generally libertarian values might empower them to turn from curious to dedicated community members,  expect support for substantive  Some may entirely agree, just for the sake of solidarity with (what they perceive as) the hot vixen while others. A segregated politics board on a separate website, would hardy be visited anywhere near as much, if it isn't here on bitcoin.org.

I would also have her loudly trumpet mainstream business values, demanding consideration for crass corporate elitism and have her advocate the need to pander to the whims of corporate despots, who she claims, expect bitcoin to adopt a corporate stylized image (including the removal of  the politics forum). She will insist that these so called 'business people' are taken aback by the forums being contaminated with appeals for an uprising against government an tax evasion advocacy. Highlighting a potentially negative aspect and putting bitcoin down will also be a priority even declaring that it doomed to failure, withdrawing her participation in using bitcoin for business. That's what I'd do if I were a politician or senior executive of the Fed, and I wanted to disrupt the community and spawn contention and resentment. These divisive ploys, wouldn't be neatly as effective, coming from a typical guy or a more conservative looking girl. A politician would probably find a girl of this caliber at a B&D/S&M fetish fantasy dungeon. That's where they all go for their guilty pleasures isn't it?

I said I intended to quote myself. Reading this whole thread and putting it into the context of the above post, consider these words of mine from another thread, which happens to be calling for the removal of the politics forum:

The coming days will present many challenges, as we can expect covert attacks on the community, attempting to usurp the libertarian stronghold, have it relegated to obscurity, or just disrupt the cohesion of the community by instigation of contentious divisions, and mud-raking to incriminate community members of higher profile and foster resentment for things that might have come to nothing.

LOL beware its a trap  - she has a vagina!
It is too funny, offcourse goverment forces are looking at Bitcoin, and maybe they had a plan to fight bitcoin, BUT
dont shout to fast CONSPIRACY ALARM!... this makes poeple who know about real conspiracys look dumb.
There are other ways to fight them, do you really think she would say: ok sorry i leave you catched me i work for the FED...
Of coursse not, so just be on topic like our "Spy Domina"* does ;-)

Dont dont try to say i am from the Goverment too ;-)

[Bitcoin Swami]

just wanna say I think this idea is awesome.  Kinda like MYFREECAMS but with bitcoins I would imagine.

[CNMOH]

It's always sad to see people who simply can't take feedback.

[TheVirus]

I shall laugh when people send Vegetta money and never hear from him again.

[So_Cynical]

Should i move to the Philippines and open a cam centre? 

Actually not that silly of an idea.

[TheVirus]

A membership management script capable of taking bitcoin costing $1000 plush an adult designer which costs $3000 to $4000? and custom CMS? why does it have to be custom if your going to pay THAT much just do it from scratch... and if your paying $1000 for a web design your getting over charged. I've never in my life have seen a $1000 web site design in my entire 10 years of porn viewing experiences they are all cookie cutter HTML+css with some gradients which take 2 seconds to make.
I was able to integrate bitcoins into my redistributable software in a day... A DAY!! why does it cost this much for porn??
Who are is your programming team so I know who not to get ripped off from... get a life

and can easily be integrated to our current working concept.

Sure, let us all know how that works out for you.

To anyone actually considering and capable of undertaking this project, I'd offer the following.

A membership site requires an adult designer (3-4k) and a custom CMS (2-4k), a membership management script capable of taking Bitcoin (1k if hardened). It makes no sense to offer shares (recurring income) for a one time expense.

If you build a site, it will then be on the radar of the large players- that's where they look. They think it terms of competing websites- not competing apps. So you've just substantially shortened your lead by announcing that your business model will work on their websites just fine. So their coders will get cracking. This website won't get any traffic without an affiliate program, that cuts into profits and requires a large advertising budget to get the word out to potential affiliates (1k month).

This is one of the problems with businesses started with outside capital- it's easy to spend other peoples money. If it was their own money the developers would come up with something simple and clever, if they have funding- lets have a money fight. If they don't get sacks of money, they claim they can't start anything because no one will fund them.

A simple App website advertising it's functionality (if you use the same UI designer as the app it saves money), and providing a Market link is sufficient. Ideally it's creation would be paid for by income generated from just the initial Android app. Done properly it requires more skill and planning than it does capital. The other guys always have more capital so it's a lousy tool to try and compete with.

All you need is a mobile app programmer, a lawyer and probably a UI designer- the latter two are a one time expense. There's really no need management or any additional staff beyond a single developer/owner. No one else is needed and they will just cannibalize profits and hurt growth. There is no reason this can't be bootstrapped by a single developer. The other skills required are modest, one time expenses.

Because watching porn and making porn are interchangeable. How can cars cost $150,000? They are all cookie-cutter chassis with different paint jobs and some basic mechanics. How can games cost $100,000,000 to make? They are just the same rendering engine and some minor art changes.

ITT: Ignorance is bliss.

[FlipPro]

I shall laugh when people send Vegetta money and never hear from him again.

Lol that's why I made everything about myself completely public. Anyone who has done enough research on me can easily find me on FACEBOOK, and TWITTER, and from there can easily hire a private investigator to come find me. It's not that hard to find someone, even YOU, yes you, everyone leaves a trail online, and to have the intent to scam is a really moronic one, especially when I have such a good opportunity to make serious money in the long run with this project.

EDIT: Do you realize how bad and wrong all you trolls are going to look once the site is completely said and done? Have you thought about that? Or you just have an indispensable account that you will change when everyone sees the true trolling nature of this thread. People will only see it once the site is done, and making some serious money, I am done replying to you to, stay the hell away from my thread.    Clown.

[TheVirus]

I shall laugh when people send Vegetta money and never hear from him again.

Lol that why I made everything about myself completely public. Anyone who has done enough research on me can easily find me on FACEBOOK, and TWITTER, and from there can easily hire a private investigator to come find me. It's not that hard to find someone, even YOU, yes you, everyone leaves a trail online, and to have the intent to scam is a really moronic one, especially when I have such a good opportunity to make money in the long term with this project.

It's not difficult to cut all ties and run if there was serious money involved. Also, I can create a fake Facebook account with hundred of 'friends' and a bullshit twitter account. People that trust online personas are asking to be taken advantage of.

[FlipPro]

I shall laugh when people send Vegetta money and never hear from him again.

Lol that why I made everything about myself completely public. Anyone who has done enough research on me can easily find me on FACEBOOK, and TWITTER, and from there can easily hire a private investigator to come find me. It's not that hard to find someone, even YOU, yes you, everyone leaves a trail online, and to have the intent to scam is a really moronic one, especially when I have such a good opportunity to make money in the long term with this project.

It's not difficult to cut all ties and run if there was serious money involved. Also, I can create a fake Facebook account with hundred of 'friends' and a bullshit twitter account. People that trust online personas are asking to be taken advantage of.

Well I am signing contracts with all my team members, I am fed-exing them all contracts that will be pre-approved by everyone on the team. I am going to be equally as transparent with the public share holders. You're a complete tool, and you deserve to be silenced, simply because your ignorant, and spread disinformation that hurts the community.

Go away..

EDIT: Hey clown, check your BTC account, I just donated 0.10BTC just so you stop trolling all my threads and hopefully anyone Else's threads who are serious about this medium of exchange. Obviously you are not serious about pushing it's future, so maybe I can at-least pay for your silence, since you have absolutely nothing useful to contribute other than baseless attacks. It's sad that you have to pay trolls to shut up, but it's that serious.

Please stay the hell away.

[elk-tamer]

Veg, 

 Think of all the motivation you're getting from wanting to prove the doubters wrong. You should be welcoming those you see as trolls, and seeing the criticism for what it is: the wind beneath your wings.

 Have you considered using bitcoin transactions to enforce your contracts? If you did the rest of us could short your business, and then everyone will be happy.

FWIW, I always thought facebook was a bad idea and still don't think it's going to catch on.

[lemonginger]

Well this is the best thread I've read in like a week.

I do give Jesse credit for bothering to give you any advice after your response to her first post. I too, am excited to see the progress in this area.

Also, you forgot a share for legal counsel. You aren't going to try to run a business without a lawyer are you?

You shouldn't be running a web design business without a lawyer

http://vimeo.com/22053820?utm_source=swissmiss

much less a cam site

[FlipPro]

Well this is the best thread I've read in like a week.

I do give Jesse credit for bothering to give you any advice after your response to her first post. I too, am excited to see the progress in this area.

Also, you forgot a share for legal counsel. You aren't going to try to run a business without a lawyer are you?

You shouldn't be running a web design business without a lawyer

http://vimeo.com/22053820?utm_source=swissmiss

much less a cam site

Yes we will be paying a BTC lawyer, Adult ENT Lawyer, and regular counsel to make sure we are in compliance with all American laws in regards to a webcam sex site. Which will probably mean some type of third-party international verification for all performers. People who can't be verified can't work. Customers will always be anonymous.

[cunicula]

Consider offering a pledge feature (this is a kind of assurance contract).

Customer deposits X BTC on site. Customer puts several X BTC pledges towards models he would like to see perform.  Pledges not fulfilled within 30 minutes are cancelled and the BTC are returned to the customers account.
 
Model offers performance for a minimum nX BTC, with minimum pledge of X. Let the models pick n, but not X [or maybe restrict choice of X to a few numbers]. If model receives n pledges, then a show begins for the pledging customers. As soon as the show begins, pledging customers other outstanding pledges are cancelled. Customers can join a show in progress by adding another increment X to the pot.

[FlipPro]

Consider offering a pledge feature (this is a kind of assurance contract).

Customer deposits X BTC on site. Customer puts several X BTC pledges towards models he would like to see perform.  Pledges not fulfilled within 30 minutes are cancelled and the BTC are returned to the customers account.
 
Model offers performance for a minimum nX BTC, with minimum pledge of X. Let the models pick n, but not X [or maybe restrict choice of X to a few numbers]. If model receives n pledges, then a show begins for the pledging customers. As soon as the show begins, pledging customers other outstanding pledges are cancelled. Customers can join a show in progress by adding another increment X to the pot.

This sounds complicated. Are you talking about sorta like a bidding system for models? I really don't think they would like that lol. But it would be interesting, correct me if I am wrong but that's basically what you mean right?

[cunicula]

It is just a system which allows models to sell group shows to customers rather than individual shows.

Maybe someone else can help explain what I mean?  I appear to be having trouble here.

[FlipPro]

It is just a system which allows models to sell group shows to customers rather than individual shows.

Maybe someone else can help explain what I mean?  I appear to be having trouble here.

Ohh so basically it's a group view? That is a good IDEA and is something that I was planning on integrating. Now, do you basically want it to be where people bid for tips? Or how exactly do you want to structure this.

[cunicula]

Maybe this will help:

I deposit 0.5 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 0.5 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. The ten customers pay out 0.5 BTC * 10 for a total of 5 BTC going to the model/middleman. The customers' 'bids' on other models are withdrawn. Bids/pledges/(whatever you want to call them) should be standardized (e.g. all set to 0.5 BTC) for this system to work well.

Since I don't want to risk losing my 0.5 BTC without getting a show, the 0.5 BTC are returned to me once I have waited for 30 minutes and no show has happened.

[FlipPro]

Maybe this will help:

I deposit 0.5 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 0.5 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. The ten customers pay out 0.5 BTC * 10 for a total of 5 BTC going to the model/middleman. The customers' 'bids' on other models are withdrawn. Bids/pledges/(whatever you want to call them) should be standardized (e.g. all set to 0.5 BTC) for this system to work well.

Since I don't want to risk losing my 0.5 BTC without getting a show, the 0.5 BTC are returned to me once I have waited for 30 minutes and no show has happened.

Niceee really nice. But can't we just do this right from within the chat? I think that would be even more exciting, all the guys root Mr. Big Bucks on to tip the model so she shows more.

[cunicula]

Maybe this will help:

I deposit 0.5 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 0.5 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. The ten customers pay out 0.5 BTC * 10 for a total of 5 BTC going to the model/middleman. The customers' 'bids' on other models are withdrawn. Bids/pledges/(whatever you want to call them) should be standardized (e.g. all set to 0.5 BTC) for this system to work well.

Since I don't want to risk losing my 0.5 BTC without getting a show, the 0.5 BTC are returned to me once I have waited for 30 minutes and no show has happened.

Niceee really nice. But can't we just do this right from within the chat? I think that would be even more exciting, all the guys root Mr. Big Bucks on to tip the model so she shows more.

The environment you are talking about is sort of like an online strip club with tips. Many people (maybe the majority) like that environment. For me, egging on Mr. Big Bucks is a turn-off. Why not offer both types of services? If you offer services people haven't seen before, it could give your site a unique appeal.

[Elokane]

Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?

[Xenland]

Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?

Not that this is on-topic or anything, but yeah its self-signed.

[FlipPro]

Maybe this will help:

I deposit 0.5 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 0.5 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. The ten customers pay out 0.5 BTC * 10 for a total of 5 BTC going to the model/middleman. The customers' 'bids' on other models are withdrawn. Bids/pledges/(whatever you want to call them) should be standardized (e.g. all set to 0.5 BTC) for this system to work well.

Since I don't want to risk losing my 0.5 BTC without getting a show, the 0.5 BTC are returned to me once I have waited for 30 minutes and no show has happened.

Niceee really nice. But can't we just do this right from within the chat? I think that would be even more exciting, all the guys root Mr. Big Bucks on to tip the model so she shows more.

The environment you are talking about is sort of like an online strip club with tips. Many people (maybe the majority) like that environment. For me, egging on Mr. Big Bucks is a turn-off. Why not offer both types of services? If you offer services people haven't seen before, it could give your site a unique appeal.

I think we will have both, I have to talk to the team first but I don't see why you're idea isn't doable. We want to make the coolest experience for users/models to interact in ways they never thought imaginable. If you have a killer idea and you don't want to share with the public (if its good enough) I am willing to give you a share. Our goal is perfection. We are in the final stages of choosing a designer. I must admit that we are behind on schedule because of the recent hacking of TweetForum . My team is donating their time to help me recover/secure what has been destroyed by the pettiness of a few clowns. However, not to worry, TweetForum will be back with even MORE features, and better design, and all the content/posts will be right back. We haven't lost ANYTHING in this hacking, just time..

EDIT:The team will be announced to the public as soon as we have a designer, tweetforum is back up, and we are public on https://glbse.com/.

[Dansker]

Why don't you advertise for a desinger here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?board=52.0 ?

[markm]

Wyldesites is still around eh, cool.

I bought my country house with adult site revenue, Adult Knotwork was just the tip of the iceberg, I created hundreds of thousands of adult sites, it is amazing how many sites a script can concoct out of a few thousand folders of image-sets.

By the turn of the millenium though Excite had been bought by the adult industry and turned into Overture, millions of dollars more a year budgetted for buying up any other search engines that were for sale, and pay per click was well on its way to being adopted even by mainstream giants like Google.

Jessy, the decade you mention was after the dot com crash, traffic was less and less free, I made my bundle when traffic was free and easy. Nowadays MSN and Yahoo no longer think the best content they have ever seen is their own results.

Is traffic king and content queen or traffic queen and content king? For me it was all about traffic, any crap could make money back in the day if you threw enough (unique) hits per hour at it.

I have been perusing this entire thread, so far the original poster said (in effect at least) that he will bring the traffic, then later oops he seems to be suggesting it is actually everyone else who will be doing that, but with his expert supervision of course.

The twitter forum happens to be coming soon currently, so I have not had that awesome site to look at to impress me.

Okay, read to the end now. Still confused as to who is going to bring the traffic, how much traffic they are going to bring, and where from.

I haven't followed twitter, does creating a few hundred thousand adult-oriented twitter accounts/friends work or is twitter a bit on the prude side?

-MarkM-

[TheVirus]

I shall laugh when people send Vegetta money and never hear from him again.

Lol that why I made everything about myself completely public. Anyone who has done enough research on me can easily find me on FACEBOOK, and TWITTER, and from there can easily hire a private investigator to come find me. It's not that hard to find someone, even YOU, yes you, everyone leaves a trail online, and to have the intent to scam is a really moronic one, especially when I have such a good opportunity to make money in the long term with this project.

It's not difficult to cut all ties and run if there was serious money involved. Also, I can create a fake Facebook account with hundred of 'friends' and a bullshit twitter account. People that trust online personas are asking to be taken advantage of.

Well I am signing contracts with all my team members, I am fed-exing them all contracts that will be pre-approved by everyone on the team. I am going to be equally as transparent with the public share holders. You're a complete tool, and you deserve to be silenced, simply because your ignorant, and spread disinformation that hurts the community.

Go away..

EDIT: Hey clown, check your BTC account, I just donated 0.10BTC just so you stop trolling all my threads and hopefully anyone Else's threads who are serious about this medium of exchange. Obviously you are not serious about pushing it's future, so maybe I can at-least pay for your silence, since you have absolutely nothing useful to contribute other than baseless attacks. It's sad that you have to pay trolls to shut up, but it's that serious.

Please stay the hell away.

Thank you kindly, sir. Good luck on your project.

[JoelKatz]

Maybe this will help:

I deposit 0.5 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 0.5 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. The ten customers pay out 0.5 BTC * 10 for a total of 5 BTC going to the model/middleman. The customers' 'bids' on other models are withdrawn. Bids/pledges/(whatever you want to call them) should be standardized (e.g. all set to 0.5 BTC) for this system to work well.

Since I don't want to risk losing my 0.5 BTC without getting a show, the 0.5 BTC are returned to me once I have waited for 30 minutes and no show has happened.

Even better, I think:

I deposit at least 2 BTC on the site. I select 20 (currently idle) models that I would pay 0.5 BTC to see perform. Once ten customers like me have put a 2 BTC deposit on the same individual model, the model does a group performance which only these paying customers can view. During the performance, the model offers 'upgrades' with set fees. I can click on an upgrade and contribute towards its fee. If an upgrade is fully paid, we get it and pay for it. If it's not fully paid, we get our BTC back. Each upgrade comes up as an offer and then expires (so we can put those same funds towards another one if we want to). If the model is smart, she'll start doing something really interesting right as time is running out -- extending is an upgrade. The ten customers then get back any unpaid funds (or can use them towards another show).

[BitcoinPorn]

lol @ MarkM's post.  Classic Porn SEO.  No doubt is an old school Black Hat World person    The old ways do not work, and I'm sure you are happier they do not.   You are the first authentic post in this thread I would call as someone working in the industry as successful.

Conversions is the name of the game now and I think it just makes for better content for everybody

[FlipPro]

I am loving these ideas, keep em coming guys.

And MarkM, traffic will come don't worry about that. This site will be fully SEO'D and heavily marketed under several different social mediums. I have made sites rank before, and I am wholly confident that I can do it again.

[Bitcoin Swami]

Hey man will your site have some kind of referral program? I was into the adult affilate marketing thing for a while and got bored with it.  I will get back into it if there is some incentive to promote.  Just wondering.  (sorry if its been covered already, haven't gone through the whole thread)

[Xenland]

As programmer of the site, I will forward this Idea to vegetta. No doubt we will have somthing like this tho, this is an awsome idea.
Were you thinking rewards as money? discounts? or bitcam points?

[AnnihilaT]

As someone who has founded, funded, and run 6 companies from adult website revenue,  I can assure you, Jessy is not trolling you.  As a few other enlightened individuals have pointed out,  you are CRAZY not to study every word she said and try to understand the PRINCIPLES if nothing else behind what she was trying to tell you.   This woman knows the business.  You dont.  Its beyond me why she offered you so much hard earned information for free especially after the way you attacked her repeatedly, but my god, man! - Listen to this woman!  

Having said that.... i wish you luck.  If by blind chance and hard work (and trust me thats what it will be) you make this thing a success,  you will think back to what a couple people were trying to tell you in this thread in a few years and think to yourself "My god! I should have listened to them! I could have avoided so many mistakes!"

Jessy,  if you have projects that need partners or funding,  PM me!  

[Nefario]

Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?

Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.

Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?

[FlipPro]

Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?

Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.

Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?

We are talking about it yes, I am getting tons of inquiry's every day about it. I haven't had the time to draft a shares contract, or even talk to my team about what we're going to do as far as splitting public shares go, because my site tweetforum was hacked and down for almost a week. It has taken alot of time and energy out of me, and thank god that xenland has been there to help me re-cooperate some of the losses that we went through at TweetForum during the hacking. I am 99% sure it was someone from this thread. If that's fine with you sir, we will be using your site as an exchange medium in the future.

[AnnihilaT]

Go away you to. Shoo..

This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.

Leave this thread begone!

Uh... Now you start attacking me?  Guess what?  If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment.  Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister.   If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say,  go start your own forum.   Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum.   Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy.  The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind.   You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.

P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site

I dont have a bias.  You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack.   The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for.  That makes you an idiot.  Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth

[Nefario]

Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?

Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.

Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?

We are talking about it yes, I am getting tons of inquiry's every day about it. I haven't had the time to draft a shares contract, or even talk to my team about what we're going to do as far as splitting public shares go, because my site tweetforum was hacked and down for almost a week. It has taken alot of time and energy out of me, and thank god that xenland has been there to help me re-cooperate some of the losses that we went through at TweetForum during the hacking. I am 99% sure it was someone from this thread. If that's fine with you sir, we will be using your site as an exchange medium in the future.

That's what it's there for. Get in contact with me if you need help.

Nefario.

[Tasty Champa]

Vegetta, I'm not sure if you have ever checked it out but go to MFC (myfreecams) it's Excellent.
They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.

[Alex Beckenham]

The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.

Agreed. It's completely baffling.

[Rogue Star]

The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.

Agreed. It's completely baffling.

Initially baffling maybe, but as the thread progressed? Really? I cringed and still cringe at some of Vegetta's reactions, but is it really baffling that he's a human being and wants to be treated with some dignity? Would you be 100% receptive to good advice from someone if they were derogatory or belligerent? Have you ever had a parent or boss that was too harsh even if they were right? Vegetta already said many times that he would take the advice, whether he will use it or not remains to be seen.

On a hopefully unrelated note, teaching him a "lesson" in web security was uncalled for regardless of whom it was. Hopefully it will prepare him and his future endeavors for the attacks that so many other Bitcoin services have also had to grow through.

[FlipPro]

Go away you to. Shoo..

This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.

Leave this thread begone!

Uh... Now you start attacking me?  Guess what?  If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment.  Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister.   If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say,  go start your own forum.   Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum.   Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy.  The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind.   You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.

P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site

I dont have a bias.  You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack.   The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for.  That makes you an idiot.  Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth

You still haven't left?

[FlipPro]

Vegetta, I'm not sure if you have ever checked it out but go to MFC (myfreecams) it's Excellent.
They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.

It is a good site, alot of people have suggested that I partner up with an already established site that can give me the models and maybe work out some type of deal.

But then is it really Bitcoin ?  Will it be as organic? Will the community (of mostly males) fall in love with it as much? If this takes off (like I know it will) , this will be the first purely organically built bitcoin business to hit the big leagues. Sure there have been others before me, and there will be many many others to come. But the attention of this thread should be a pristine indicator that the idea is valuable.

But I would like everyone's opinion on this. Would you be less likely coming to Bitcams.com if you could get all the same features that people are talking about here, with the same models that other sites have? Serious question.

Obvious advantages are

1. Solving of many legal issues
2. Solving of finding all the models
3. Solving of some of the traffic problems some people were talking about.

The people who could see themselves using Bitcams are the people I wana hear on this one.

[AnnihilaT]

Go away you to. Shoo..

This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.

Leave this thread begone!

Uh... Now you start attacking me?  Guess what?  If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment.  Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister.   If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say,  go start your own forum.   Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum.   Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy.  The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind.   You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.

P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site

I dont have a bias.  You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack.   The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for.  That makes you an idiot.  Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth

You still haven't left?

I dont plan on going anywhere    Ive got popcorn!

[FlipPro]

Go away you to. Shoo..

This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.

Leave this thread begone!

Uh... Now you start attacking me?  Guess what?  If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment.  Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister.   If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say,  go start your own forum.   Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum.   Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy.  The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind.   You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.

P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site

I dont have a bias.  You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack.   The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for.  That makes you an idiot.  Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth

You still haven't left?

I dont plan on going anywhere    Ive got popcorn!

Glad you showed your true colors, and have admitted that you are only here to troll. In that case I hope everyone ignores every single one of your threads from here on.

Reported to the mods.

[AnnihilaT]

Ive got popcorn as in this thread and you entertain me (well intrigue me at least)

[CNMOH]

I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.  

Trying to help != Wanting to join

[AnnihilaT]

I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.  

Trying to help != Wanting to join

I don't think she was ever serious about helping me. I think her primary intention was to ridicule me and the project, to the point where she would get the community to turn on me, thus killing the project before it even got started. Well she hasn't succeeded, because honestly I don't give up. She messed with the wrong person, and in the end when it's all said and done she will look like a fool.

she wasnt trying to get anyone to turn on you, man!  she was just giving you good advice.  Paranoid much ?

[FlipPro]

I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.  

Trying to help != Wanting to join

I don't think she was ever serious about helping me. I think her primary intention was to ridicule me and the project, to the point where she would get the community to turn on me, thus killing the project before it even got started. Well she hasn't succeeded, because honestly I don't give up. She messed with the wrong person, and in the end when it's all said and done she will look like a fool.

she wasnt trying to get anyone to turn on you, man!  she was just giving you good advice.  Paranoid much ?

Well my entire tweetforum did get hacked, and taken down for almost a week. That does have me a little paranoid if you know what I mean. 

[Tronlet]

The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.

Agreed. It's completely baffling.

I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.  

I normally don't do this, but I am going to post all the pm's so you guys can see I tried working with her...

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Quote from: Vegetta on June 25, 2011, 03:52:50 am
Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?  

I told you a dozen times- I have zero interest, if I was inclined I have all of the needed resources at hand.

I was trying to keep you from wasting your time and money on a business plan that lacked an updating understanding of current market forces. I spent quite a bit of time on it, time no other professional would have spent for no personal gain. In return, you were rude and dismissive- earning yourself the contempt of the forum.
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Then she wrote me this to follow up on the pm

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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 05:05:48 am »
You have zero skills what so ever, which is why no one will work with you, and your project will not even get off the ground. What you needed to be was humble- listen and research. I was, that's how I got where I am. Think about it, 12 ladies, working full time, an average of $220 an hour- I get 50% and can work from home and not even bother to session unless I'm bored. If I want something, I don't need to partner I can easily afford to hire the best- with proven track records.

First you get the skill, then you get the respect, big poorly conceived plans just get you ridicule. Go, learn what you are talking about, prove you can implement it, then people will stop laughing at you.

If you are disheartened- I will tell the other posters how to do it properly so they can see just how clueless you are.

Just wanted to show you guys whats going on behind the scenes since this is going to be a public venture, and the public deserves to see that I am not some naive , grumpy, tool who doesn't take advice from ANYONE! I was trying to form an alliance with her, and even wanted to make her an analyst/spokes model, and give her a solid share of the project. But you see her replys...  GASP!

*NOTE* This was all going on during the projects infancy 2 WEEKS AGO.

These PMs actually only make you look bad, both in content and in your willingness to reveal private content. Considering I'd like to potentially work for you (though I'm wondering if there will ever be a place to work for), I'd appreciate it if you would stop this nonsense.

Also, there's no reason to think she hacked the site.

[FlipPro]

The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.

Agreed. It's completely baffling.

I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.  

I normally don't do this, but I am going to post all the pm's so you guys can see I tried working with her...

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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 04:36:42 am »
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Quote from: Vegetta on June 25, 2011, 03:52:50 am
Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?  

I told you a dozen times- I have zero interest, if I was inclined I have all of the needed resources at hand.

I was trying to keep you from wasting your time and money on a business plan that lacked an updating understanding of current market forces. I spent quite a bit of time on it, time no other professional would have spent for no personal gain. In return, you were rude and dismissive- earning yourself the contempt of the forum.
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Then she wrote me this to follow up on the pm

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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 05:05:48 am »
You have zero skills what so ever, which is why no one will work with you, and your project will not even get off the ground. What you needed to be was humble- listen and research. I was, that's how I got where I am. Think about it, 12 ladies, working full time, an average of $220 an hour- I get 50% and can work from home and not even bother to session unless I'm bored. If I want something, I don't need to partner I can easily afford to hire the best- with proven track records.

First you get the skill, then you get the respect, big poorly conceived plans just get you ridicule. Go, learn what you are talking about, prove you can implement it, then people will stop laughing at you.

If you are disheartened- I will tell the other posters how to do it properly so they can see just how clueless you are.

Just wanted to show you guys whats going on behind the scenes since this is going to be a public venture, and the public deserves to see that I am not some naive , grumpy, tool who doesn't take advice from ANYONE! I was trying to form an alliance with her, and even wanted to make her an analyst/spokes model, and give her a solid share of the project. But you see her replys...  GASP!

*NOTE* This was all going on during the projects infancy 2 WEEKS AGO.

These PMs actually only make you look bad, both in content and in your willingness to reveal private content. Considering I'd like to potentially work for you (though I'm wondering if there will ever be a place to work for), I'd appreciate it if you would stop this nonsense.

Also, there's no reason to think she hacked the site.

I don't think she is capable of hacking the site, it was someone else in here starting trouble for the lulz.

This isn't private information its a forum PM which can go public at any minute considering that anyone can hack my account or hers...

And no you have already come off with super bad taste in this thread so you don't really have a place on my team.

P.S I dont know how much content was really in there, all I simply said was "Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?    " . The rest was all her, and it was vicious. Nothing she hasn't already said here in public, just all in a much more direct way.

[Cusipzzz]

It's amazing how much free advice and insight into the industry Jessy has given here.

I work in a similar industry where payment processing/funding/trust is a major issue.

I think bitcoin can be a gamechanger for this adult industry segment both from the merchant (can't be charged back, frictionless, no middleman (except exchange rate risk) and consumer side (tons of guys will not give a credit card to even the most 'legit' of these sites, even for the $1 verification ploys) - but guys will toss a few bitcoins from the 'safety' of an anonymous btc address.

As Jessy mentioned, you are solving the wrong problem (building a cam site - snore) when you are just really looking to leverage the efficiency and attributes of bitcoin for this service. You should be building the framework to allow btc payments to co-exist with the major sites 'credits' systems. You could create a BTC / Cam Site currency store, with the major sites 'currencies' available for bitcoin, or even approach the sites directly - you could certainly offer lower fees than their current processors.

Posting the PMs just makes the Op look bad. Take a step back and listen to what she is telling you.