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August 31, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
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I do not really get the point of this app. There are currently over 50+ websites in which locals can list their activities for tourists. And one of this is Airbnb. So, how do you think you are going to get customers? Why nobody is asking this and everybody just throw money in the ICOs? Everybody in the travel sector knows that the problem for travel website and apps is to get customers.
And, do not tell me that you charge a low (or none) commission fee to list and book activities with locals because nobody cares if nobody know your website.
And then, as marketplace, you have to scale also the supply (people listing the activities)! Good luck to challenge Airbnb!

I do not get why if you are a normal startup, you have to prove that you have product, users, traction, etc. to approach funding and, instead, with a token, nobody care about the outcome of the company. I understand that is more gambling and trading (in fact nobody almost care anymore what is the product but just what is the price at the pre-ico and ico, what is the total supply and when it will be listed at exchanges), but it is important to understand that you are fueling a bubble instead of fueling real startups. Why do not throwing money in equity crowdfunding?

So just as information, here is a list of only some website providing the same service since years!
Airbnb
Withlocals
Showaround
BonAppetour
Eatwith
Vayable
VizEat
Guide Me Right
Like a local guide
Eatwith
Eatwithlocals
Feastly
GetGuided
Triip



@realuser, thanks for your comment. To address some of your points:

1. We have existed for 18 months and have gone through a private seed round (in which product, users, traction etc were of course addressed in order to find investors). Secondly, we are not challenging Airbnb's core product (which is renting out accommodation and which, yes, has been around for years) but their Airbnb Experiences branch. This has not been around for years, more precisely, under a year (i.e. after we had started working on our idea). We differ from Airbnb Experiences in that we primarily target 18-30 year old users who are budget travellers, currently studying, on a gap-year or fresh out of school and into the real world. We therefore strive to create significantly cheaper experiences than the average cost of Airbnb's experiences (yes, it is possible to find affordable experiences, but they don't constitute the main-bulk of their curated selection.

2. We of course are aware that there are competitors out there but don't necessarily agree with your point that 'just because there are other companies in the travel space. you shouldn't create a new company' which essentially is what you are implying. If nobody challenged the current status quo, nothing would ever change or develop.

3. Finally, to your point of people pitching in money 'just because there is a cryptocurrency involved': This again is a point we definitely agree with and we don't necessarily agree that a company that is pre-product and has a very small team will need 100s of millions of dollars to get started on their project. However that is not a correct assessment of Pally. In light of you now knowing that we have previously raised money in the private market, have existed for well over a year, have taken products to market and are aiming to raise just below 5 million USD (again, VERY similar to what we'd be looking for in a Series A private fundraising round) rather than 50 or 500 million USD we hope you can see the logic behind our target amount. Not every company in this space is unjustifiably raising unnecessarily large amounts of capital, some of us are using it because it actually makes a lot of sense from a product perspective and because blockchain technology is one of the amazing technologies of tomorrow.

We hope we, with the above answer, somewhat have addressed some of your questions and concerns and of course welcome a good debate such as this. So thanks for your question and have a good day.

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September 01, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
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Facebook Bounty and Twitter Bounty open?

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September 01, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
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Facebook Bounty and Twitter Bounty open?

Hi @123ltg - yes both are open, details for how to register for it is can be found in the description or on bounty.pally.co Smiley

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September 03, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
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@pally
as expected, your answers leave a lot of open points behind.

1. Does it matter how long a company existed? I know that Airbnb experiences launched just one year ago, but still they are a huge DIRECT competitor for you. And, most of the other websites that I listed have been around for at least 4 years. And, they are not keeping the price high because they want, but just because experiences are time consuming for the providers and time is money. Plus, the website needs to take commissions because it cannot sell "tokens" to get money but it needs a sustainable business model.

2. Of course you can create a company. But in this case it is crystal clear that you are not innovating anything. You are adding the blockchain to the product just to sell tokens, because you were not able to raise funds in a conventional way.

3. You are claiming that you have product and traction. So, where are the product and traction that you claim? A website or app with a marketplace costs barely nothing..there a are white label and even open source software. And, adding blockchain with ETH costs even less. So your product without users has zero value. Therefore, where are your users? Where is the traction? Where is your business model, where are your sales and number of active users? Why if you want to raise money in conventional way (giving away equity) you have to prove that you have all of them and instead, in this case, you can just claim something?
Then, you claimed that you have already raised money in private market...where are the documents?

Too many people are throwing money without any proof of anything.

PS. You claim that you have been around for 18 months. I see from SimilarWeb that your website is online only from May. So, where were you? Another name? Do you have press release? Do you have some facts to sustain what you are claiming?
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September 03, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
Last edit: September 03, 2017, 06:27:21 PM by pally
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@pally
as expected, your answers leave a lot of open points behind.

1. Does it matter how long a company existed? I know that Airbnb experiences launched just one year ago, but still they are a huge DIRECT competitor for you. And, most of the other websites that I listed have been around for at least 4 years. And, they are not keeping the price high because they want, but just because experiences are time consuming for the providers and time is money. Plus, the website needs to take commissions because it cannot sell "tokens" to get money but it needs a sustainable business model.

2. Of course you can create a company. But in this case it is crystal clear that you are not innovating anything. You are adding the blockchain to the product just to sell tokens, because you were not able to raise funds in a conventional way.

3. You are claiming that you have product and traction. So, where are the product and traction that you claim? A website or app with a marketplace costs barely nothing..there a are white label and even open source software. And, adding blockchain with ETH costs even less. So your product without users has zero value. Therefore, where are your users? Where is the traction? Where is your business model, where are your sales and number of active users? Why if you want to raise money in conventional way (giving away equity) you have to prove that you have all of them and instead, in this case, you can just claim something?
Then, you claimed that you have already raised money in private market...where are the documents?

Too many people are throwing money without any proof of anything.

PS. You claim that you have been around for 18 months. I see from SimilarWeb that your website is online only from May. So, where were you? Another name? Do you have press release? Do you have some facts to sustain what you are claiming?


Hi @realuser, again, we appreciate your questions but do think that you have an unnecessarily accusatory tone.

1. If you read any of the press releases, articles around us or listen to any of the upcoming podcasts we're appearing on, you will find that we time and time again mention Airbnb as a competitor, we are not denying them as a competitor. Another point to your list of competitors is that almost half of your list of competitors are exclusively food-experience apps. You forgot to mention projects such as Backpackr, Tripr, Partywithalocal, CoolCousin and a few others who are also present in the space... Smiley Challenging the supply has proved to be a fairly easy hurdle giving that people are receptive to receiving the more than 20% commission fee taken by Airbnb themselves... Furthermore, these other companies and Pally can easily live in peaceful holistic co-existence since we do not recruit hosts to work for us full-time. If they would like to be listed across multiple experience sharing sites, we will not oppose that. The above comment coupled with anecdotal conversations with hosts who have been dealing with some of the other websites and who have had very poor experiences liaising with these companies likewise paves the way for Pally.

2: We just mentioned that we have been through a private fundraising round, yet you still claim that the reason behind adding blockchain technology to our product is because we aren't able to raise funds in a 'conventional' way. VC funding is a relatively new phenomena in itself and if you are so bound by 'conventionalism' that you can't see the advantages of opening up crowdfunding to the masses then there isn't much we can do to change that perception. Additionally, a wealth of VCs are currently exploring [Suspicious link removed]panies and are getting involved. Alternatively, you can read the piece our founder put up a while back which also spells out some of the broader advantages to blockchain crowdfunding as opposed to 'conventional funding'. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/blockchain-n-roll-oliver-f-andersen.
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"Private fundraising at large falls prey to capitalistic short-termism, seeking immediate return on investment (ROI) as opposed to having an in-depth look at the company roadmap and to have the company’s long term interest in mind - two key factors leading to sustainable growth. This in turn lead companies to spend several months (and sometimes years) at distraction from what really matters; the product and the end-user experience"
Taken directly from the article.

3: Going from an idea to a fully fledged concept, to recruitment of a team, to capital raising, to marketing to operational set up, to technical development, to information architecture to legal set-up is not as easy as spelling it out and there is a world more to it than what you are making it out to be.  In your opinion, this may be 'easy' to do, however, most other companies in our network and most business biographies would argue that taking products to market and developing a brand is both extremely challenging and quite costly.  

It seems an unnecessarily bearish view towards the new paradigm of blockchain technology from your perspective and it would seem that you somehow have taken a personal offence by our concept which we of course regret to be the case. We'd be interested to hear your thoughts on a bunch of other projects such as Storj (decentralised storage, competing with cloud storage as we know it), Swarm City (marketplace competing with Amazon), Ahoolee (search engine competing with....Google), LaZooz (ride-sharing competing with Uber) or even Bitcoin and Litecoin (currencies that are challenging the fiat world) who all seem to be in "Direct" competition with a conglomerate-like centralised counterpart.

You are correct that 'Pally' only has been around since earlier this year... our name prior to Pally was PenPal. If you follow this link you will find a whois picture which states that the domain has been active since March 2016 https://i.imgur.com/g6OsVdb.png. It seems that you'd like us to share every statistic, incorporation document and private correspondences with investors we have had with you.. we will be happy to share these with you when we prepare for our Initial Public Offering (IPO) sometime in the distant future...  Wink

Good Labor Day weekend to you @realuser.  
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September 04, 2017, 04:59:43 PM
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https://www.pally.co/single-post/2017/09/04/Platform-Uses-of-Pallys-Cryptocurrency-PallyCoin
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September 05, 2017, 07:36:41 PM
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Hi @Runio,

Many thanks for sharing the link to our use-case article, much appreciated! Smiley
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September 07, 2017, 10:59:21 AM
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Hi guys, just wanted to share that we in the last week have added two new team members: Merunas (ethereum smart contract developer) and Tanya (community manager) - check out their bios on our website https://www.pally.co. Have a good day ahead all!
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September 09, 2017, 08:18:18 AM
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Awesome, i believe this is the most interesting ICO i've invested this year.
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September 10, 2017, 07:02:59 PM
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Nice bounty!

https://www.pally.co/bounty


100$/week Facebook bounty, WOW!
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September 11, 2017, 07:39:22 PM
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Nice bounty!

https://www.pally.co/bounty


100$/week Facebook bounty, WOW!

@runio - Glad to see that you made it in as part of the early-bird bounty! Smiley
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September 11, 2017, 07:54:45 PM
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Will there be an android version? And what happens to unsold tokens?

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September 11, 2017, 11:27:55 PM
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Will there be an android version? And what happens to unsold tokens?

Yes there will be an android version which is due to be released in H1 2018 Smiley all unsold tokens will enter the 'network incentives' pool which will be injected into the ecosystem incrementally as parts of network usage rewards and other gamification aspects that will be introduced.

Enjoy your evening and thanks for your question Smiley
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September 18, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
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Hi guys, just a quick update from Team Pally:

We have added a new Smart Contract developer to the team who will be assisting Merunas in the network interaction development work. Additionally, our CEO spoke at the Dublin Blockchain Summit last week and the founders have appeared on a few of the large podcasts as well which we hope you will listen to.

The ramp-up for the crowdsale in October is getting real, the normal development and marketing activities are on rails and likewise going according to plan and we hope to see you all within the platform as well as on October 15th for the crowdsale.

In the upcoming weeks, a large feature will be released in Scandinavia's FT equivalent and the team will be attending the Cryptoeconomy Conference in Barcelona in early October.

Have a great week ahead all!

http://thebitcoinpodcast.com/episode-152/
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-blockchain-show/id1111799580?mt=2&i=1000391873078
http://conferences.unicom.co.uk/blockchain/dublin/
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September 18, 2017, 01:51:21 PM
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Hmm... Nice idea. I love it. I am big fan of travel. Good luck in this campaign to team! Wink
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September 19, 2017, 08:45:57 AM
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Hmm... Nice idea. I love it. I am big fan of travel. Good luck in this campaign to team! Wink

Many thanks for your interest and support @cosmoo, appreciate it! Smiley
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September 21, 2017, 01:32:04 PM
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Hi all, just another quick update from the team:

We have added an additional smart contract developer to our team, we will be rolling out our new website with a completely re-designed backend running on faster servers to help accommodate the growing interest and demand, and are starting to prepare for our upcoming conference in Barcelona in a few weeks where Oliver, Afiola and Merunas will be representing Pally at our Pally-stand and on stage for a presentation. Happy Thursday guys Smiley
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September 21, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
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Not bad.

https://trends.google.pl/trends/explore?q=pally%20ico

Google Trend "Pally Ico"
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September 22, 2017, 01:32:34 PM
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Looking good! We are growing everyday Smiley
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