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September 06, 2016, 04:28:26 PM
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Please, don't feed the trolls.
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September 06, 2016, 04:33:56 PM
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mate,

i'm trying to understand what's the point of the system?

at-least the administrator needs to appoint someone to approve/decline those claims.

I don't like begin called a scammer without a prove.
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September 06, 2016, 05:23:38 PM
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i'm trying to understand what's the point of the system?

The system allows people to report their opinions about other users.

It then allows you to choose whose opinions you value when you are negotiating with a user.

at-least the administrator needs to appoint someone to approve/decline those claims.

Why would you trust the administrator?  Why should he get to decide for you who you should trust?

I don't like begin called a scammer without a prove.

It really doesn't matter what you like.  You can't stop a person from calling you a scammer if they want to.
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September 13, 2016, 06:13:29 PM
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There is now a 30-day orange warning after a user changes their email address.

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November 29, 2016, 04:41:11 PM
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I have a question...
So who can give me negative trust?
Because obviously only few people can, also i dont know who can give me positive trust.
Any answers?

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November 29, 2016, 04:51:32 PM
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I have a question...
So who can give me negative trust?
Because obviously only few people can, also i dont know who can give me positive trust.
Any answers?
Every forum member can leave you any type of trust (positive, neutral, negative). However, only trust from DT1 and DT2 members is visible by default and thus influences your trust rating (as viewed by people that don't use a custom trust list). All other trust ratings are 'untrusted'. Here is the current list of DT1 members:
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theymos (1)
HostFat (1)
dooglus (1)
Maged (1)
dserrano5 (1)
OgNasty (1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (1)
DeaDTerra (1)
BadBear (1)
philipma1957 (1)
Cyrus (1)
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I have a question...
So who can give me negative trust?
Because obviously only few people can, also i dont know who can give me positive trust.
Any answers?
Every forum member can leave you any type of trust (positive, neutral, negative). However, only trust from DT1 and DT2 members is visible by default and thus influences your trust rating (as viewed by people that don't use a custom trust list). All other trust ratings are 'untrusted'. Here is the current list of DT1 members:
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theymos (1)
HostFat (1)
dooglus (1)
Maged (1)
dserrano5 (1)
OgNasty (1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (1)
DeaDTerra (1)
BadBear (1)
philipma1957 (1)
Cyrus (1)
Blazed (1)
Suggested reading: Trust Vocabulary.

This will help reduce confusion when posting about the trust system and/or who is in the default trust network.

"dT1" and "DT2" are made up words and have no official meaning

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December 01, 2016, 11:51:56 PM
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I have a question...
So who can give me negative trust?
Because obviously only few people can, also i dont know who can give me positive trust.
Any answers?
Every forum member can leave you any type of trust (positive, neutral, negative). However, only trust from DT1 and DT2 members is visible by default and thus influences your trust rating (as viewed by people that don't use a custom trust list). All other trust ratings are 'untrusted'. Here is the current list of DT1 members:
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theymos (1)
HostFat (1)
dooglus (1)
Maged (1)
dserrano5 (1)
OgNasty (1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (1)
DeaDTerra (1)
BadBear (1)
philipma1957 (1)
Cyrus (1)
Blazed (1)
Suggested reading: Trust Vocabulary.

This will help reduce confusion when posting about the trust system and/or who is in the default trust network.

"dT1" and "DT2" are made up words and have no official meaning

Lol, 'no official meaning'.  As if QS pronouncing something as "official" would give it "official meaning".  Always playing the king.  In case QS is truly ignorant about what is meant by "DT1" and "DT2", let's go ahead and define it like this:

DT1 is the list of people trusted by "Default Trust".
DT2 is the list of people trusted by someone on DT1.

Given this information, I imagine even Quickseller could guess what would be meant by a "made up word like" DT3, although, unless he pronounces it, he certainly won't consider such a meaning to be "official".  lmao
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December 08, 2016, 12:59:26 AM
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Well I'v found a bug where it says you can get red tagged by not accepting campaign manager decisions and being a pain in the a**.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=851646
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December 08, 2016, 09:17:45 PM
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Well I'v found a bug where it says you can get red tagged by not accepting campaign manager decisions and being a pain in the a**.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=851646


You have a creative usage of the word "bug" here.  Here's the way this is supposed to work, if you don't like/trust the feedback given by 'yahoo62278', you should remove him from your trust list (ie, write "~yahoo62278" in your trust list).  If other people agree with you that yahoo62278 isn't leaving trustworthy feedback, they'll remove him too.
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December 08, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
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Well I'v found a bug where it says you can get red tagged by not accepting campaign manager decisions and being a pain in the a**.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=851646


You have a creative usage of the word "bug" here.  Here's the way this is supposed to work, if you don't like/trust the feedback given by 'yahoo62278', you should remove him from your trust list (ie, write "~yahoo62278" in your trust list).  If other people agree with you that yahoo62278 isn't leaving trustworthy feedback, they'll remove him too.
Me adding him to my list wont matter because he's in DT, so whatever I do other people still going to see my red tag.
However 2PMs sent to him already and no action, maybe it's because he thinks that his opinion could be considered as fact, or knows no one cares about me if I'm tagged red wrongfully.
I thought being a DT member comes with heavy responsibility.
And lastly I think flaw is more accurate than bug, my apology.
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February 01, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
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Of course if your name is Gregory Maxwell you are allowed to abuse this system.


So I happened to tell this young promising programmer, that not all of his actions are 31337 and especially that the libsecp256k1 is also not that Lichtgestalt as which it is presented. Some technical arguments were exchanged until he started to call me a thief.

Now - he might have found it insulting me telling him he can't program, still I do believe that calling someone a thief with no basis whatsoever is a different category. So in my 1st rage I threatened to send some lawyers his way, but after some sleep and thought I figured out de-escalating matters would be better and said we'll solve issues like "real men" on the next Bitcoin conference where we'll meet.

*BAM* -> negative rating "Wallet thief, threatening violence..." etc.

My nice 37+ rating (earned over 2-3 years) turned orange -1 without having ever had business with that "man" immediately.

I didn't mind much, because as I found out - everyone can give here everyone else any rating for any reason "e.g. if you have the letter 'z' in your nick" ... Which is funny and makes the system totally moot. (And I still can't believe false accusations are ok in this forum)

Unless

you have a positive rating such as I had. Because as I happen to buy some digital goods from time to time (namely AWS codes), I never had problems with trust to have newbies go 1st. Today, the newbie told me I do have "caution trading".

To sum up:

Gregory Maxwell is shit
Bitcointalk.org trust system is shit
Whoever invented it thought shit
Whoever has a different opinion about it than me now is also shit.


 Wink - Ok, I'm overdoing it there a little bit and while I am a little bit pissed about it, I just can't get myself to take it seriously. Shit.



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February 01, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
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My nice 37+ rating (earned over 2-3 years) turned orange -1 without having ever had business with that "man" immediately.
Your rating was 0. None of the users that have left you positive ratings are part of the default trust system (depth 1 and 2), therefore their ratings don't affect you score unless you have a custom list (which seems to be the case here).

To sum up:

Gregory Maxwell is shit
Bitcointalk.org trust system is shit
Whoever invented it thought shit
Whoever has a different opinion about it than me now is also shit.
This is not going to help you. Anyhow, why did you wait so long before posting this?

Maybe it should be split off into a separate thread.

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May 14, 2017, 07:07:58 AM
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Hello!)
Never paid attention to this trust
Now I had to take part in ICO and did not miss
But really want to, like a coin)
Tell me please how to get to administrators by trust
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May 16, 2017, 09:16:54 AM
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Is there a list of default / theymos trusts?
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May 16, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
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Is there a list of default / theymos trusts?
If you didn't modify your settings, then you should see it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust. DT1 trust list:

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HostFat (1)
dooglus (1)
Maged (1)
dserrano5 (1)
OgNasty (1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (1)
DeaDTerra (1)
BadBear (1)
philipma1957 (1)
Cyrus (1)
Blazed (1)
OldScammerTag (1)

theymoses trust list:
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    theymos
        HostFat
        mikegogulski
        dooglus
        Raize
        Maged
        gmaxwell
        Carnth
        TECSHARE
        Caesium
        phantastisch
        OgNasty
        -ck
        paraipan
        John (John K.)
        danieldaniel
        dree12
        Tomatocage
        SaltySpitoon
        ineededausername
        DeaDTerra
        BadBear
        El Cabron
        Blazr
        xkrikl
        BCB
        Xian01
        btharper
        burnside
        LoweryCBS
        lophie
        stenkross
        Benson Samuel
        shiftybugger
        Cyrus
        ThickAsThieves
        fluidjax
        Boelens
        binaryFate
        TomUnderSea
        dwdoc
        Tywill
        DefaultTrust
        Taras
        mitzie
        Jaaawsh

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May 21, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
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Could this be a stupid system?
I tried to sell my account, 2 separate people took private messages to get the account
But I did not know that the agent wanted to make his own account of another account was a fraudster, this man then said he gave a hero I do not know.
I did not accept that I wanted a reliable vehicle to be recognized.
I did not sell my account then - Fraud - Trust gave me 2 accounts

It's so easy to scold you, this guy is not cheating on me, so I can not sell my accounts
This account has polluted my name, Reliable fire. Is there no cure for this?
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May 21, 2017, 12:16:16 AM
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Could this be a stupid system?
I tried to sell my account

Whoa! Let me stop you right there. Account sales are usually not good for the community and thus people may be inclined to think of you in an unsavory manner. You are given negative trust by people who do not trust you. I would not trust someone who sells their account.

Reason: Who would be buying accounts?

a) spammers
b) scammers



Spam is a cancer upon this forum perpetuated by shitty signature campaigns. Loan defaults, currency exchange, service and goods' scams will come from bought accounts since they are disposable and most of the time trustworthy enough for newbies to fall for the ploys.



Also, nice post history gap. August 09, 2016 to May 12, 2017 hmm? https://archive.is/XLkVr

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May 21, 2017, 12:26:45 AM
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Could this be a stupid system?
I tried to sell my account

Whoa! Let me stop you right there. Account sales are usually not good for the community and thus people may be inclined to think of you in an unsavory manner. You are given negative trust by people who do not trust you. I would not trust someone who sells their account.

Reason: Who would be buying accounts?

a) spammers
b) scammers



Spam is a cancer upon this forum perpetuated by shitty signature campaigns. Loan defaults, currency exchange, service and goods' scams will come from bought accounts since they are disposable and most of the time trustworthy enough for newbies to fall for the ploys.



Also, nice post history gap. August 09, 2016 to May 12, 2017 hmm? https://archive.is/XLkVr

You may be right but you should not be so easy to scare people

2. Yes long long bitcointalk
Because I'm making anime videos on youtube so i have left the bitcoin subcoin job
And that's why I thought it was a crime to sell accounts?
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May 21, 2017, 12:36:59 AM
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Because I'm making anime videos on youtube so i have left the bitcoin subcoin job

Then just leave the accounts alone. Would you be fine selling these accounts to anybody? Because after all, that's what you're doing. You're opening up an opportunity for spammers and scammers to jump in and deprecate the forum more.



Most of the time, it'll be a spammer and I can't stand seeing all the "agree" posts, or 5 different "lock the thread" posts after a question's been answered. Fuck all that.

I don't care if you are quitting the forum. Don't sell accounts.



And this kind of thing doesn't need a warning, just like copy&pasting. You should KNOW that it is not right to do this. Use that big evolved brain of yours.

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