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May 21, 2017, 01:46:55 AM
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Whoa! Let me stop you right there. Account sales are usually not good for the community and thus people may be inclined to think of you in an unsavory manner. You are given negative trust by people who do not trust you. I would not trust someone who sells their account.

Reason: Who would be buying accounts?

a) spammers
b) scammers
I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way.

I think you should ask yourself "who is selling their account(s)?" and "what would happen if these people were unable to sell their account?"

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May 21, 2017, 01:56:00 AM
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I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way.

I think you should ask yourself "who is selling their account(s)?" and "what would happen if these people were unable to sell their account?"

Please, enlighten me on what these account-sellers would lose out on if they were unable to sell the account. Now, I understand there are defaulted loans but as we all know: caveat emptor. The loan provider takes the risk and accepts it when they extend their hand to any user. The way I would personally worry about loans is that if I am unlikely to give a no-collateral loan to a user, then I'm equally unlikely to give a loan to a user who provides their account as collateral.



I am unable to think of any other circumstance in which account sales are at least somewhat reasonable however if you have any clever ideas then I'm all for it.

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May 21, 2017, 02:22:33 AM
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I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way.

I think you should ask yourself "who is selling their account(s)?" and "what would happen if these people were unable to sell their account?"

Please, enlighten me on what these account-sellers would lose out on if they were unable to sell the account. Now, I understand there are defaulted loans but as we all know: caveat emptor. The loan provider takes the risk and accepts it when they extend their hand to any user. The way I would personally worry about loans is that if I am unlikely to give a no-collateral loan to a user, then I'm equally unlikely to give a loan to a user who provides their account as collateral.



I am unable to think of any other circumstance in which account sales are at least somewhat reasonable however if you have any clever ideas then I'm all for it.
In regards to your point about using accounts as collateral for loans, accounts have value, and therefore will allow a lender of a defaulted loan to recover losses if a borrower is unable to pay -- this results in loans being made that will probably not otherwise be made, which helps the economy and community. I have made loans, secured by accounts to a decent number of people who I believe legitimately fell on hard times, and legitimately were unable to repay what was owed, so I ended up selling their account to recover (sometimes only a portion of) the loan. I also have made a no-collateral loan to someone who I believe fell on hard times (eg not someone who took out the loan with the intention of not repaying me on time), and although I was lucky and eventually was repaid, the repayment was several months late, and I think I was lucky in that I ended up getting anything at all out of the loan.


But to my more broad of a point, the ultimate reason why someone will sell their account is because they have some need for money. If someone is in need of money, has a valuable account, but is unable to sell it, then there is a chance they may use their valuable account to try to scam someone.

I would also point out that when someone buys an account they are investing money into that account. If someone who buys an account and starts to scam/spam, and does not recover their initial investment, they will lose money, so they have incentives not to do this. So those who are actively leaving negative trust against accounts solely for the reason that the account is sold are pushing down the prices of accounts, which lowers the thresholds needed for a scammer to profit off of buying an account, which makes it easier for scammers to make money via scamming, which increases the number of scams. 

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May 21, 2017, 02:53:48 AM
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But to my more broad of a point, the ultimate reason why someone will sell their account is because they have some need for money. If someone is in need of money, has a valuable account, but is unable to sell it, then there is a chance they may use their valuable account to try to scam someone.

A loan is another possibility. I haven't surveyed the Loaning section in quite some time so I'm not sure how many active loaners would accept an account as collateral but I'm sure there's probably still a small portion that will do so. I know that a loan would probably give the account-holder an amount less than what they will get if they sold/scammed but it's still probably a significant amount.

I would also point out that when someone buys an account they are investing money into that account. If someone who buys an account and starts to scam/spam, and does not recover their initial investment, they will lose money, so they have incentives not to do this.

True, but have you seen the types of posts that pass for constructive in some campaigns? There's a lot of spam out there: agreement posts, reiteration posts, "lock the thread" posts, missing information posts, etc.
There are also users that post redundant information (I might be a bit of an example since I tend to wander and use some rhetoric occasionally) on threads just so it will appear to be constructive, spanning multiple lines. Other offenders may post about subjects to which they have no knowledge of. e.g. mining, bitcoin dynamics, economics, technical details.



These usually allow a spammer to reach ROI quickly. As for scammers, they'll build the account up and then collapse it. Or alternatively, scam a newbie - new additions to the forum may ignorantly trust the rank system, thinking it to be proportional to the level of trust. Scammers and spammers can exist on the same account concurrently. They probably all follow the same methodology: join a signature campaign, post garbage and then see what they want to do afterward. (Continue or scam)

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July 23, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
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Hello
Who is moderating trust feedbacks please?
A brand new user (only 1 post) wrote insults on my trust page and on the trust page of 2 other people (okinawa and xavier59)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071670

What could we do?

I think it would be a good idea to not allow Brand new and newbie users to send feedbacks.

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July 23, 2017, 01:02:31 PM
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Hello
Who is moderating trust feedbacks please?
A brand new user (only 1 post) wrote insults on my trust page and on the trust page of 2 other people (okinawa and xavier59)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071670

What could we do?

I think it would be a good idea to not allow Brand new and newbie users to send feedbacks.

Ignore it or ask him to remove it. Trust isn't moderated and feedbacks are really removed but if it's from a newbie and is unbacked without a source then most will just ignore it.

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July 23, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
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Ignore it or ask him to remove it. Trust isn't moderated and feedbacks are really removed but if it's from a newbie and is unbacked without a source then most will just ignore it.
Insulting someone publicly is illegal in every country, so it's not a normal thing if we can only "cope with it".

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July 23, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
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Insulting someone publicly is illegal in every country,
lol, what? That is not illegal in most of the world.

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July 23, 2017, 01:50:54 PM
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Insulting someone publicly is illegal in every country,
lol, what? That is not illegal in most of the world.
It explains your trust rate...  Roll Eyes LOL

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July 23, 2017, 03:41:28 PM
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Insulting someone publicly is illegal in every country,
lol, what? That is not illegal in most of the world.
It explains your trust rate...  Roll Eyes LOL

QS is right though. It's not illegal to insult someone in most places (and in those countries that it may be it really shouldn't). I'll just leave you with one of my favourite quotes on being offended:




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August 28, 2017, 11:27:52 PM
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I don't know which fcking planet you morons live on but I'm construction worker/trucker and insults and obscenities are mandatory, they are an art form.
A sacred ancient male right and code of honor...I have even been awarded honorary Italian citizenship for years of service to creative cursing.
I can swear in CHINESE for christs sake....(Gun Knee = F.U.)
You liberal sissy panzy ass'd momma's boys should learn to talk like real man..And stop being so pussy whipped by fat dyke feministas.
Never trust any asshole that doesn't swear profusely..He is obviously a commie fag.
Who the fuck can you trust? a titty sucking lawyer pedo-politician...You be better off to lick my dirty sweaty salty balls.
Trust a foul mouthed trucker motherfucker over any of those slime bag pricks anyday.

Your trust system sucks the big wig wag...

And I don't give a fcuk if that cocksucker Stephan Fry does suck cock..The son of a bitch is damn straight on the bull's eye correct.


And what the hell am I supposed to do if I don't trust myself...especially around booze women and firearms...

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August 28, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
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I don't know which fcking planet you morons live on but I'm construction worker/trucker and insults and obscenities are mandatory, they are an art form.

That would explain why lower intelligence people flock to those jobs...

Profanity is a sign of a weak mind.

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August 28, 2017, 11:42:23 PM
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Bested by a boob licker...DOH!...oh the shame

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September 06, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
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Ok, I read like 4 pages. So how can I give someone more trust if he was doing escrow for me for example?

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September 07, 2017, 01:25:33 PM
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Ok, I read like 4 pages. So how can I give someone more trust if he was doing escrow for me for example?

simple,  go to that person trust page (by clicking "trust", below avatar) and post comments into the white fields(ticked "positive")

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September 30, 2017, 12:27:32 PM
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I will not tell that this trust system is good or bad but I know that is needed. If I see someone trust red and a lot of accusations I know that I have to act carefully. I think we should talk about this and maybe one day we will have a good working trust ranking system.

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September 30, 2017, 10:45:18 PM
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Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

Do you get a notification when someone trusts you?

Yes I agree as a newbie I have a problem in trusting issue here.and in reducing the amount of scam with bitcoin is really hard to eliminate,

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September 30, 2017, 10:58:50 PM
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Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

Do you get a notification when someone trusts you?

Yes I agree as a newbie I have a problem in trusting issue here.and in reducing the amount of scam with bitcoin is really hard to eliminate,
LOL, I find this comment incredibility ironic Cheesy

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November 07, 2017, 08:00:28 PM
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Hey guys.

Need an advice/help.
Is there a way to remove my red feedback? I contacted the person who gave me bad feedback many times, but he doesn't answer me.
I made a mistake. I did remove the post which made me earn red trust right after.
I learned my lesson, won't happen again.

So, is there a way this could be removed?

Thanks.
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November 07, 2017, 11:58:03 PM
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Hey guys.

Need an advice/help.
Is there a way to remove my red feedback? I contacted the person who gave me bad feedback many times, but he doesn't answer me.
I made a mistake. I did remove the post which made me earn red trust right after.
I learned my lesson, won't happen again.

So, is there a way this could be removed?

Thanks.
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