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September 02, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
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Hi all. For running these, is there any reason to get the usb 3.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Charging-Adapter-Support/dp/B00RM5OF70/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504363970&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable+usb+3.0+hub) instead of the usb 2.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Charging-Adapter-Support-Android/dp/B00L2LK164)?
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September 02, 2017, 03:30:46 PM
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Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

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September 02, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
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Do we know the outer dimensions yet? length, width, circumference, outer diameter? I need to develop some sort of rack to hold a few in place for airflow while using extended cables for the hub.


Demensions are very similar to original moonlander

Width: 25mm, Length: 58mm, Hight with heatsink will be about 20-30mm (still finalizing heatsink design for these). Components on other side of PCB stick out another 5mm or so.

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Man this thing sold out fast  Grin

Still some around at bitshopper ; )

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Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

Question 1
Thank you for the clarification, I deleted my message to avoid confusion but can you please clarify/recommend what to use to get the maximym power?

From what I gathered in the OP @ 1.5W per MH/s:

Hashing SpeedPower Amps
2 MH/s2 x 1.5 W = 3 W 3 W / 5V = 0.6 A
3 MH/s3 x 1.5 W = 4.5 W 4.5 W / 5V = 0.9 A
5 MH/s5 x 1.5 W = 7.5 W 7.5 W / 5V = 1.5 A
6 MH/s6 x 1.5 W = 9 W 9 W / 5V = 1.8 A

It seems that a normal USB 3.0 with 900 mA can only drive the unit at 3 MH/s steady state, anything above that will need a powered USB hub as "Y" cables don't work in USBs.

The hub in the amazon link was 7 ports 60 W = 8.5 W per port so it can drive the unit up to theoretical speed 8.5 / 1.5 = 5.7 MHs

Is this correct?


Question 2
In your demo screen the title bar states ... "ethminer" can these sticks be used for anything other than scrypt?
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September 03, 2017, 07:33:48 AM
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Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

Question 1
Thank you for the clarification, I deleted my message to avoid confusion but can you please clarify/recommend what to use to get the maximym power?

From what I gathered in the OP @ 1.5W per MH/s:

Hashing SpeedPower Amps
2 MH/s2 x 1.5 W = 3 W 3 W / 5V = 0.6 A
3 MH/s3 x 1.5 W = 4.5 W 4.5 W / 5V = 0.9 A
5 MH/s5 x 1.5 W = 7.5 W 7.5 W / 5V = 1.5 A
6 MH/s6 x 1.5 W = 9 W 9 W / 5V = 1.8 A

It seems that a normal USB 3.0 with 900 mA can only drive the unit at 3 MH/s steady state, anything above that will need a powered USB hub as "Y" cables don't work in USBs.

The hub in the amazon link was 7 ports 60 W = 8.5 W per port so it can drive the unit up to theoretical speed 8.5 / 1.5 = 5.7 MHs

Is this correct?


Question 2
In your demo screen the title bar states ... "ethminer" can these sticks be used for anything other than scrypt?


Question 1 is very interesting because in bitshooper.de ORICO 10 Ports only has 36 W. The power is 36 W. The current is 12V3A. The output current is approximately 500 mA per slots. The consumption as much as 1.3 W or 1,5 W, also a lot of difference in the consumption, Anker 9-Port I have only found 7 ports and 900 mAh output that puts it in the bone description that would not reach 1 , 5 A output would be 900mAh. The question is whether they can reach 6 Mh / s or the maximum is 5Mh / s. The solution would be to buy more hubs and not connect the maximum of slots, then we would earn the W we need to run to more Mh / s or what would be the solution to get the maximum power mine @Jstefanop. because searching the internet I found a hub that gives 1.8 A per exit but it is quite expensive 50 € plus shipping 42 € (7 days of arrival seller's guarantee but they will refund the money). Because if it can reach 6Mh / s and 1.5W per Mh / s it would be 1.8 A, if it could reach more than 6mh / s, if it is as you say with this device I have found it would be 7mh / s and 1.3W per Mh / s would be 1.82, then we would burn very close to 7mh / s exactly 6.92 mh/s for each moonloader 2 it would be very interesting to respond, and as I do I do what is the maximum power that has 5mh / s to take 5mh / s we would need outputs of 1.3A. Which hub we need to get maximum mining power.If it is correct by private I can send the model of the hub and confirm me if it would be compatible with moonloader 2
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September 03, 2017, 07:34:35 AM
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USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

 Powered hubs would be a better option.


 On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?


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Man this thing sold out fast  Grin

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September 04, 2017, 02:41:45 AM
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Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

Question 1
Thank you for the clarification, I deleted my message to avoid confusion but can you please clarify/recommend what to use to get the maximym power?

From what I gathered in the OP @ 1.5W per MH/s:

Hashing SpeedPower Amps
2 MH/s2 x 1.5 W = 3 W 3 W / 5V = 0.6 A
3 MH/s3 x 1.5 W = 4.5 W 4.5 W / 5V = 0.9 A
5 MH/s5 x 1.5 W = 7.5 W 7.5 W / 5V = 1.5 A
6 MH/s6 x 1.5 W = 9 W 9 W / 5V = 1.8 A

It seems that a normal USB 3.0 with 900 mA can only drive the unit at 3 MH/s steady state, anything above that will need a powered USB hub as "Y" cables don't work in USBs.

The hub in the amazon link was 7 ports 60 W = 8.5 W per port so it can drive the unit up to theoretical speed 8.5 / 1.5 = 5.7 MHs

Is this correct?


Question 2
In your demo screen the title bar states ... "ethminer" can these sticks be used for anything other than scrypt?


The 1.5w/MH figure does not scale. For example at about 3MH its 1.3w/MH, but at 5 MH it approaches 2w/MH. The 6MH is also not sustainable long term...that was me just showing how far the hardware can be pushed.


Ethminer is just the hostname of one of my dev systems (that also happens to mine ethereum with its GPU). Has nothing to do with this stick and it can only mine scrypt coins.

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September 04, 2017, 02:43:28 AM
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USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

 Powered hubs would be a better option.


 On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?



I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was  massive success and wont be stopping here Smiley

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USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

 Powered hubs would be a better option.


 On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?



I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was  massive success and wont be stopping here Smiley

if you get enough chips you should think about boards to fit in old s3 and s5 antminers..
id love to refit my old s3 into a scrypt miner
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For those that aren't able to place a pre-order, when's the next estimated date the Moonlander 2 would be available again?
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I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was  massive success and wont be stopping here Smiley

I did not receive instructions how to send the payment for the preorder (?), just saying it here in case others have not received instructions as well
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would have bought 2 more before its sold out but payment option paypal just vanished - wrote mail to receive support - sold out.
Damn! Cheesy

so i have to be happy with 1 i ordered and paid ..

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I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was  massive success and wont be stopping here Smiley

I did not receive instructions how to send the payment for the preorder (?), just saying it here in case others have not received instructions as well

You have to buy them from the vendors listed on the op.

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Oh, you have to be kidding. There is no way to buy 1 unit just for fun? What a people...

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For those that aren't able to place a pre-order, when's the next estimated date the Moonlander 2 would be available again?

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Pre-order is officially sold out everywhere (distributors and additional orders I could take). More stock will be available for immediate shipment once units are in production in November...keep in mind that all pre-order units will be shipped first, so can't say exactly when we will be able to sell more past pre-order units. Will have more updates closers to October/November.

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can anyone give a tutorial on how to run and projection of how much one of these can produce in terms of LTC per month?

Should I run on a separate computer or my main computer? 
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USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

 Powered hubs would be a better option.


 On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?



I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was  massive success and wont be stopping here Smiley

 I have to wonder how well a "pod" designed to upgrade the Gridseed "80" blade units would sell....

 (hint)

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can anyone give a tutorial on how to run and projection of how much one of these can produce in terms of LTC per month?

Should I run on a separate computer or my main computer?  


if you dont mind running your main computer 24/7 you can do it on your main computer. Ram and CPU usage wont disturb you on daily usage.


i found what you need here: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=5&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=6&CostPerkWh=0.1

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