I view the situation like this:
A restaurant puts out a deal saying 1/2 price dinner Fridays before 12:00AM at close.
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I think many would agree that the restaurant should tell you to fuck right off.
It sounds to me like the situation is like this:
A website made a guarantee that they would provide a floor for the Rubies price by promising to always buy them back at 1000 satoshis each, and later the website went back on its word and started telling people to fuck off.
There was nothing in the promise about having to be nice to the website, or never to criticize it, or any such terms. Just a blanket floor price.
Am I misunderstanding something? Or has MoneyPot broken its promise?
I don't want to go throwing "red trust" around when I possibly don't understand the full picture, so please clarify what's going on here. Particularly in reference to the floor price promise and whether that promise is being broken or not. I'm less interested in any rudeness, bad reviews, or restaurant analogies.
We made a promise to keep the floor of 1000 Satoshi for Rubies. We have held this promise and haven't refused a single person to this date.
There are no guarantees. It is much harder when the model that is supposed to make it work is constantly attacked by the same people demanding value out of it, but we are doing our best to manage it all.
We did ask JPR to wait, as we don't want to be forced to work outside of our stated hours and on his time when he is constantly making demands and attacking us. He shouldn't need to send 5 e-mails over the weekend when support isn't available or purposely post in the wrong thread. He has received a sending address to complete the transaction.
His actions shouldn't be rewarded by his threats or asking others to threaten us of receiving negative trust. We don't want to keep getting blackmailed and we don't want him demanding immediate responses or to cave in to his every request the more it's tolerated.
edit; And you can not use JPR to generalize as people. He is a special case and is treated differently because of his constant malicious intent and attacks on Moneypot.
you should stop telling lies and I auto stop defending me against your lies, easy as that.
if I ask on your holy weekend for a RBIES address your ugly support guy could write " please wait until monday and we do the deal" but if your ugly support guy has time to attack me I would suggest to fire him cause in same mail on your holy weekend he could write " please wait till owners will be back and send you the addy on sunday"! thats what I would do and in any case why should he attack me when I am writing please send ma an address?
it also looks that you are intentionally overseeing my answer regarding my other mails not on your holy weekend.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169606.msg22212143#msg22212143
hmm and Tuesday the 19th is also weekend? 2nd try on the 20th (no weekend). 3rd try on the 21st (no weekend)
then many stupid mails from your support ( I would really know who was this supporter on your end? show me your balls? )
until finally this smart ass agreed to send the addy to make the deal.
I am sure you know the mail conversation and you should be ashamed for such a support behavior.
you should fire this supporterstop your ugly lies and I will have no reason to answer you and prove who is the Liar!
you made a promise but no guarantee HUH? do you know what you are saying?
Everyone should respect their own rights when it comes to a critical decision making, he shouldn't be that hasty to ask you. I think he's too emotional when it comes to this matter. He should keep his patience and calmly wait for the decision of the dev.
I would like to see you when you lose 4 BTC or bough a lot of RBIES even for 14k satoshi each in those times almost 2 years ago when MP promised to implement RBIES ( we have been app owners in those times)
you would not sit on your mouth/hands and wait years for MP to fulfill their promises!
JPR
This is the wrong thread for the RBIES stuff. Clearly you have issues with the Moneypot team and that is your right, but you are way off topic for this thread. Obviously you are posting it here to damage the current ICO they are holding. My suggestion is to relax a bit and give them a little time to make good on their 1k satoshi per RBIES offer. If I were in their shoes I would not be in a hurry to help you out either with your constant off topic posting in all of these threads.
@Blazed
I agree with you regarding wrong thread but I hope you are aware that the main Moenypot thread sadly was closed and is still closed!
I also posted in R2B2 thread even Dogedigital is saying I didnt. what would you do if you dont get any answer or a stupid attack? please check the R2B2 thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737000.0to be frank I dont like when you are saying that I damage their ICO! MP owners damaged it in first place becuase they showed that their promises cant be trusted and this already about 2 years when the bought MP. read back if it is new to you and tell me which promise they fulfilled?
I suggest to all of you and try to walk a bit in my shoes to get the feeling ho wit is to be attacked as a Liar even I tell the truth. please also read my answer that will follow to Dogedigital
There is always a difference between guarantees and promises. Anyone that gives guarantees most likely can't guarantee it.
Because the only reason why we supported this floor was because it was to be used to setup a network that would eventually make it worthwhile to do so. Having someone constantly attack it and take advantage of it makes it hard to make or manage the system to actually work.
JPR is not a customer. We didn't sell him Rubies. He doesn't use our network.
And We don't treat anyone else the same. I'm not sure if you know about JPR's constant stalking or not, but I assure you if he did it to you, you would not treat him the same either.
interesting that you are saying there is always a difference between guarantees and promises! I always thought the same and it is not worth to mention it that it is a difference but you are saying that guarantees cant keep the guarantee, hmm so dont give a guarantee. oh actually you are saying that is the reason why you did not give a guarantee. therefore you give promises? why? because promises dont need to be kept and therefore you dont keep your promises? very interesting insight!
to be frank I dont care about the reason why you did promise the floor. few users even thought why are you doing this? and you even did not answer in those times. (dooglus was asking a good question and did not get an answer)it was your business decision and not mine or anyone of your customers.
what I liked best now is
"JPR is not a customer. We didn't sell him Rubies. He doesn't use our network."lets see if you will once go with the truth
Jackpotracer team owned an app when you bought MP from RHavar almost 2 years ago. you announced to implement RBIES '" Soon"
as we believed you because we did not have any reason not to believe you we bought many RBIES even for 14k Satoshi each. ask @BTCJoe he knows exactly the prices because he also was buying many RBIES in those times. why did we buy? because we did many promos and gave away the RBIES for free just to attract customers cause we were believing your promise to implement RBIES "Soon"
please dont force me to search for all those promos and to post all here and how much we gave away for free. we attracted many new customers with those promos. please understand that the RBIES were not yet implemented but many customers were glad to get free RBIES from us. yes form us!!! but you are saying now JPR is not a customer - we didnt sell hm RBIES - he doesnt use our Network?
again shame on you! we bought in those times because of your empty promise!
that should be enough IMO that we bought for an immense price and lost a lot till today and we were selling a part and keeping a part because you promised again and again until today that you will implement RBIES and now you are even trying to avoid and denying to buy the RBIES we have? are you for real?
I am sure you will say " dont invest more than you can afford to lose" please do me a favor and say it!
you guys love to use words like stalking and libel. I remember very well when you told dooglus his posting is libel and RHavar jumped in to explain to you what libel is. let me explain again.
I dont owe you 1 Satoshi!!!
you MP owes me 4 BTC +6% interest (and not only me)
you did deny to buy my RBIES ( to be frank I received this morning an addy and I sent already some RBIES and lets see if I get my BTC)
stop your lies about me and I will not have a reason to defend myself
get real and transparent! users and customers will appreciate it. I am not your enemy! whenever you or your CO-Partners will attack me I will defend myself!
