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[Alge89]

I don’t understand anything about Blackjack, please refund me 30k USDT.

You know what I don't like about people like you who name themselves BlackJack and pretend to understand the game? The arrogance of coming to a forum and accusing a casino like Stake, which uses an algorithm so sophisticated you wouldn't understand it even after 100 years of study. Now I'm going to say this one last time, and I won't stretch it any further.

In blackjack, payouts are not symmetrical like in a coin flip. Your reasoning only works if every outcome pays +1 or -1. But in 100 hands, I have no way of knowing how many blackjacks you hit or how many pushes you had, so even if you play without doubling or splitting, what you're saying still makes no sense.

Just drop it, trust me! You’ve already made a fool of yourself enough. Haha 

[BlackyJacky]

Summary

A) The casino does not win by making you lose more hands.
B) The casino does not win by subtracting a % from each bet.
C) The casino wins because the payout system and rules are mathematically favorable.

That’s the entire mechanism behind the 0.57%.

You are contradicting yourself here, because

A) If you do not lose more bets than you win = no money goes to the casino = no house edge

C) When the payout system and rules are mathematically favorable for the casino, this means a player loses more bets than he wins.

It must hurt in your head!

[nutildah]

A) If you do not lose more bets than you win = no money goes to the casino = no house edge

Nope, that's not true. This is not how the house edge is calculated. You could play a game where a win pays out 1.8x, win 10 times, lose 9 times, and still be at a net loss.

Wins:

10 wins × $0.80 profit per win = +$8.00 (You get back $1.80 per winning bet, so net profit is $0.80 per win)

Losses:

9 losses × $1 = -$9.00

Net result:

+$8.00 - $9.00 = -$1.00

You are down $1 even though you won 10 out of 19 bets (52.63% win rate).

[BlackyJacky]

A) If you do not lose more bets than you win = no money goes to the casino = no house edge

Nope, that's not true.

If you made 100 bets and won 50 and lost 50, then you did not lose more bets than you won.

And if you did not lose more bets than you won, then you did not lose anything.

And if you did not lose anything, nothing went to the casino = no experienced house edge.


Why did you skip the primary school?

[BlackyJacky]

So even if you win and lose roughly the same number of hands, the payout values are not symmetric. This alone creates a house edge.
3. The house edge is NOT a per-hand deduction

What do you mean with "the payout values are not symmetric"?

The payout value is the same like the lose value, you do not win 0,9 bets and lose 1 bet.

In case of a won Black Jack, you win an additional half bet.

As the bet payout and lose value is the same (1:1), money can move to the dealer only when the dealer wins more bets than it loses.

Because when you made 100 bets and the dealer won 50 and lost 50, nothing went to the pocket of the dealer = casino.

Whereas, when you made 100 bets and won 49 and lost 51, then 2 bets went to the pocket of the dealer = casino = house edge.


Please tell us how did you calculate A 2) , B 2) and C 2) ?

Example A)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 2% experienced house edge

Example B)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 2% experienced player edge

Example C)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 0%

You have clearly shown that your sole intent here is to commit the criminal offense of willful deception!

[nutildah]

You can keep waiting for eternity as you don't have a case.

For anyone who wants to understand why they don't have a case, please read this user's negative trust reference from January 2023.

TwitchySeal

2023-01-03

Reference

All of this persons claims that have anything to do with provably fair gambling are nonsense due to his ignorance when it comes to basic math.

Even back then it was very clearly explained to this person why their concept of "house edge" was wrong. Since then, at least 10 people have explained it to them in clear mathematical terms, yet they bulldoze through it to maintain their initial claim, which is false.

In short, nobody shares the definition of "house edge" believed by BlackyJacky. You won't find a single person anywhere on earth claiming the same thing.

[BlackyJacky]

Hallucinated nonsense...

What is the sense of your hallucinated nonsense?

Even your friend @Alge89 confirmed that the number of bets you lose more than you win is the experienced house edge:

Example A)

After 100 bets made you leave the table with 980 USD (2 bets net loss)

1) How many bets did you lose?

2) How much percentage is your experienced house edge?

Example A)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 2%

@Alge89 also confirmed that the numer of bets you win more than you lose is the experienced player edge:

Example B)

After 100 bets made you leave the table with 1,020 USD (2 bets net win)

1) How many bets did you win?

2) How much percentage is your experienced player edge?

Example B)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 2%

@Alge89 also figured out that if you lose 50 bets and win 50 bets, there is no experienced house or player edge:

Example C)

After 100 bets made you leave the table with 1,000 USD (0 bets net loss or win)

1) How many bets did you lose or win?

2) How much percentage is your experienced house or player edge?

Example C)

1) Impossible to determine

2) 0%

Now compare the reality with your hallucinated nonsense.

Btw, until today, you did not explain how the experienced house technically moved from the player account to the casino?

[nutildah]

For anyone who doesn't yet realize whats going on, BlackyJacky has tried to extort money from casinos for years. They are terrible at it but they never give up. Long story short: don't take any of their claims at face value. Research them for yourself.

As a reminder:

You can keep waiting for eternity as you don't have a case.

For anyone who wants to understand why they don't have a case, please read this user's negative trust reference from January 2023.

TwitchySeal

2023-01-03

Reference

All of this persons claims that have anything to do with provably fair gambling are nonsense due to his ignorance when it comes to basic math.

Even back then it was very clearly explained to this person why their concept of "house edge" was wrong. Since then, at least 10 people have explained it to them in clear mathematical terms, yet they bulldoze through it to maintain their initial claim, which is false.

In short, nobody shares the definition of "house edge" believed by BlackyJacky. You won't find a single person anywhere on earth claiming the same thing.

[BlackyJacky]

@nutildah

Why does your signature sponsor pay you for posting hallucinated nonsense?

Why do you quote hallucinated nonsense delivered by others, instead of giving your own analysis and explanation based on the reality?


Let's take a look @TwitchySeal you are referring to:

TwitchySeal says that Stake commits the criminal offense of willfull deception with false and misleading stating that the house edge is only 0,5%, while in reality the house edge is 7%!

Are you sure that you are referring to the nonsense hallucinator TwitchSeal?

You're doing stupid math that doesn't make any sense.  LIke almost nothing what you're saying makes sense.

If you were playing perfect strategy you would lose ~49.1% of your hands and win ~42.4% and Push ~8.5%  

49.1% losing minus 42.2% winning = 6.9% house edge!

[BlackyJacky]

Placing hallucinated nonsense and then not answering to justified questions is spamming, right?

Spamming is not allowed by the forum rules, why is it not deleted by moderators?

[bitcoinchaserteam]

The house edge is a long-term expected percentage the casino keeps from all bets. It is not determined by how many hands you win or lose in a single session.

In blackjack, payouts are not always 1:1. A blackjack pays 3:2, and pushes (ties) return your bet. So, you can win more hands than you lose and still have a net loss.

Short-term sessions have high variance. Only over millions of bets does the actual outcome approach the theoretical house edge.

BlackyJacky’s method — calculating edge from 2 net bets lost out of 100 — is incorrect. It reflects a single session, not the true edge.

Posting the same flawed argument repeatedly can be considered forum spam, which is why moderators and users flagged it.

[BlackyJacky]

@bitcoinchaserteam

You are a good example to show that hallucinated nonsense = spam is not moderated in this forum!

BlackyJacky’s method — calculating edge from 2 net bets lost out of 100 — is incorrect.

2 net bets lost out of 100 bets = 2% experienced house edge.

As I do not speak about a 2% experienced house edge in my scam report, you hallucinate that this is BlackyJacky’s method!

The real numbers are:

1) Advertised house edge is 0,5%

2) After 181,000 bets, the maximum deviation from the expected outcome is 0,4%

3) Point 1) 0,5% + point 2) 0,4% = 0,9% technically maximal possible experienced house edge

4) My experienced house edge is 4,6%

5) 4,6% - 0,9% = 3,7% of the bets more lost like technically maximal possible

[BlackyJacky]

Since 3 YEARS and 2 months!!! I wait for compensation for the unjustifiably lost 30,000 USD at Stake's provably rigged in-house Black Jack system!

Until today, Stake's alleged "Legal Department" is not willing to compensate me, even though they are clearly at fault here!


Below is proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

Info 1)

The advertised house edge for Stake's in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means long-term I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

However, if you take a look at my Stake bets statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

0,5% house edge out of 180,900 bets placed I should lose 900 bets + a possible small deviation.

8,327 bets lost - 900 bets I should lose = 7,427 bets too much lost.


Info 2)

Bets

After 180,900 bets, the maximal possible deviation from the expected outcome is 0,4%, according to the law of large numbers (See Info 3) below).

180,000 bets x 0,4% = 720 bets I could maximal additionally lose on top of the 900 bets I will lose based on the 0,5% house edge.

7,427 bets too much lost minus 720 bets I can additionally maximal lose = 6,707 bets = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

House edge

0,5% house edge = 900 bets plus 720 bets maximal possible deviation = 80% additional maximal possible deviation from the house edge.

0,5% house edge plus 0,4% (80% additional maximal possible deviation) = 0,9% maximal possible experienced house edge!

Experienced house edge 4,6% minus 0,9% maximal possible experienced house edge = 3,7% additional experienced house edge!

3,7% additional experienced house edge : 0,4% additional maximal possible deviation = additional 9,3 times on top of the maximal possible deviation!

Stake's own bets statistics is 100% proof that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.


Now let's take a look at the technically maximal possible deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)

B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
What does 99,7% mean?

When you make 333 times a series of 180,000 coin flips, then 332 times the deviation from the expected outcome will be up to 0,36% and only one time the deviation will be higher than 0,36%.

I was not able to find how much the deviation could be in this one case where it is higher than 0,36%, but likely not more than 10% of the 0,36% = 0,4%.


Below is Stake's deliberate deception answer:

The user has reached out to the complaints department more than 30 times for the same inquiry.

We have provided the user with the requested information and guided them on validating the license in accordance with Antillephones' preferred procedures.

The User has also been attempting to claim that the 8048/JAZ license is invalid for cryptocurrencies.

Our system allows users to access their complete bet history from the date of registration, and there is no limit on the data storage.

All data stored under the "bet archive" and other sections of your account, are protected by our License, which we strictly adhere to.

For the Blackjack game, users can easily filter data in their bet archive spreadsheet.

Our licensing information and regulations have been transparently available on our website since Stake's inception.

Upon registration, the User acknowledges and accepts our Terms of Service which provide information the above and also provides this clearly.

Prior to using our services, it's crucial for users to comprehend the inherent risks associated with gambling, as winning cannot be guaranteed.

Regarding RTP, it's important to note that this figure is based on a calculation involving at least 1 million bets.

In short sessions with a few hundred or thousand bets, variability is expected, it is impossible to make accurate calculations based on these sessions.

Overall, the frivolous claims made by this User have been explained to them many times by Support and other members of the community:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178857.400.

It is clear to us that there are no ground for reimbursement.

How stupid a multi-billion USD profit online casino operation can be?

While the exact house edge applies only after 1 million bets, the law of great numbers determines the maximal possible deviation from the expected outcome based on the number of attempts.

And the higher the number of bets is, the lower is the maximal possible deviation from the expected outcome!

And after 180,900 bets, the maximal possible deviation from the expected outcome is 0,4%.

0,5% advertised house edge plus 0,4% maximal possible deviation = 0,9% maximal possible experienced house edge after 180,900 bets!

My experienced house edge 4,6% - 0,9% maximal possible experienced house edge = 3,7% ADDITIONAL technically not possible house edge!