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October 04, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
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Yes human errors happen, but they tend to decrease as the "value of the act" increases. Take a look to air control in airports. The % of human error there is incredibly small. If it wasn't many people would die.

Many people do die in plane crashes due to human error, it happens quite a lot...

Same thing goes for surgeries in life or death situations. It can happen, but the % for a forced error is very small.

But still, it happens...


Same thing will be with bitcoins, the value is so high, that people will treat it with extremely caution, and the % of lost bitcoins for unforced errors will be minimal, so what you are saying can't really happen in a lifetime.

I didn't say necessary in a lifetime, but the math is actually quite simple, there is a fixed amount, and from that fixed amount, bitcoins WILL be lost. Eventually, they must seize to exist.
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October 04, 2017, 11:32:12 PM
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It could happen, as there really is a low circulation of whole bitcoins in the world compared to the amount of people. Over time a lot of them will be lost and have been lost already, I'm not sure many people will like to use tiny decimal amounts in the long run. You could also argue that bitcoin is the first iteration of a working digital currency and it seems inevitable that an improved implementation will take the market share.
                              This has been also discussed several times in this forum, about retrieving those lost wallets, getting back those lost bitcoin, but i think it wont really affect the price of bitcoin as much as the supply.

How can a diminishing supply, while still in demand, NOT have an effect on price?




I agree that as time passes by, more and more users have been adopting bitcoin, the problem is that it would really be a struggle to get, because of the increasing population of users and just limited supply of bitcoin in the world, and to add that up until now it is really hard to mine.

It will cause the price to go up.

Supply and demand. Bitcoin is deflationary by nature. Essentially everyone in the world has been raised in an inflationary system. This system is based on fiat and fractional reserve banking. It will take centuries for a new one to sink in. Even when crypto becomes popular, there will be traces of fiat until most or all old generations are wiped out to the point crypto actually could become 100% saturated and fiat disappears entirely.

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October 04, 2017, 11:50:59 PM
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There will be a fixed number if Bitcoins, and people, because of human error, will accidentally lose Bitcoins every now and then.

This must mean that Bitcoin will eventually seize to exist? Or at least shrink to minimal amounts, when it shrinks to a certain level, it will no longer be useful.

Is this correct?


I think bitcoin will never be disappear since bitcoin is the biggest bank in the world which isn't using real cash this currency will be more successful and it will be implemented to other company and into our economy the best thing about bitcoin is it is not yet mined all it will increase more if it shrinks i think bitcoin still remain bitcoin and become more useful into another things.
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October 05, 2017, 12:57:22 AM
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There will be a fixed number if Bitcoins, and people, because of human error, will accidentally lose Bitcoins every now and then.

This must mean that Bitcoin will eventually seize to exist? Or at least shrink to minimal amounts, when it shrinks to a certain level, it will no longer be useful.

Is this correct?


I think bitcoin will never be disappear since bitcoin is the biggest bank in the world which isn't using real cash this currency will be more successful and it will be implemented to other company and into our economy the best thing about bitcoin is it is not yet mined all it will increase more if it shrinks i think bitcoin still remain bitcoin and become more useful into another things.

I think the last bitcoin could be mined in the next 100 years. So that's a century. We may have been long gone by then and still bitcoin exist. But the question is what's gonna happened if all bitcoin are mined? If trading still exists when the last supply will mined then bitcoin will continue to flourish. As long as people are trading bitcoin, I don't think it will just disappear. Maybe there were still bagholders that won't sell their coins and will keep it after centuries even if its not useful anymore.

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October 05, 2017, 03:26:13 AM
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Bitcoin will never disappear because of it's immutable qualities and that is what makes it sound money so it is vastly superior to paper money and gold that way.
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October 06, 2017, 08:36:18 AM
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Bitcoin support worldwide is strong. Currently bitcoin is equivalent to 4393.68 USD at the time of this reply. So it will stick for a while.

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October 06, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
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I think that this may affect the reduction of bitcoin, but still most people too value their coins and try to keep their passwords to access the wallet in a safe place.

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October 09, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
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Very interesting point of view!

The key question is how many % of the total available bitcoins get lost every year and are the 8 decimal digits able to balance the losses?

One day the use of the word satoshi will probably become more common, we wiil see.
also that will eventually be the point at the long run. Initially when the whole journey started, no one ever thought about satoshi since even 1 bitcoin was not even worth much, but as it keeps going, even now, people are beginning to buy the few decimals before the whole bitcoin and apparently we will have a time when 1 bitcoin will be a no go aspect for most people and stick to the little satoshis they can get.
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October 09, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
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Very interesting point of view!

The key question is how many % of the total available bitcoins get lost every year and are the 8 decimal digits able to balance the losses?

One day the use of the word satoshi will probably become more common, we wiil see.
also that will eventually be the point at the long run. Initially when the whole journey started, no one ever thought about satoshi since even 1 bitcoin was not even worth much, but as it keeps going, even now, people are beginning to buy the few decimals before the whole bitcoin and apparently we will have a time when 1 bitcoin will be a no go aspect for most people and stick to the little satoshis they can get.



For me this question is a good sample for everybody that it is possible to happened that they will loss bitcoin in a second because of a human error as a factor it could be in a situation of being hurry transaction of copy and paste and forgetting private keys in a wallet and many others.
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October 10, 2017, 09:36:15 AM
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Well you posted this in the "Economics" section, so let's make this about economics.

People have an amount of BTC.  The higher the value of their BTC, the more likely they are to keep it in safe locations or spread it between different places.  So the chance of them losing their BTC decreases exponentially as the price rises.

If they lose BTC, the supply decreases, therefore making the remaining BTC supply (marginally) more valuable and making people less likely to lose it.  So it never reaches a point at which there's not enough left.

So basically, no.  It's impossible.


As long as storage and transactions are handled by humans, there is no way to avoid human errors, regardless of the assets value. Sure it is less likely to be lost, the higher the value. But will it ever be totally secured just because it is of a certain high value.

I am not convinced.

Bitcoin that is lost because of code misplacement does not disappear from blockchain rather it simply means the individual would not be able to use it again . Therefore, the individual's lose and not that the margin of bitcoin available decreases.

Furthermore, as for not being convinced about "totally secured ". Bitcoin itself is totally secured when you take your time to do the right things to secure it. This brings us to the misplacement of code or disclosure to untrusted third party. So we have to be careful.

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October 10, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
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I think that this may affect the reduction of bitcoin, but still most people too value their coins and try to keep their passwords to access the wallet in a safe place.
People tend to create their own difficulties. To have a personal secret code and the constant fear for his safety is a bad idea. I store bitcoin on a generally accepted electronic wallets parts. I am sure that this storage method is more secure than storing offline.
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October 10, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
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Yes there is a chance that we lose all bitcoin due to different aspect such as human error like forgetting password or losing their on-line wallets but this can be prevented with proper knowledge on how you protect your bitcoin and having your security codes kept in your private records.


So, what you are saying is, if we all just tell ourselves to be less sloppy, human errors will no longer exist?

I am pretty sure, human errors are here to stay, as it is inherent in human nature.
Human errors are there always as a part of the nature. But in my view, one should not be that much less considerate about his or her possessions .silly mistakes such as forgetting the passkeys or mismatched keys are all the result of casualness. We must stay very active and not get hold of the online wallets in beginning as it requires a bit practice to handle them.
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October 10, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
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There will be a fixed number if Bitcoins, and people, because of human error, will accidentally lose Bitcoins every now and then.

This must mean that Bitcoin will eventually seize to exist? Or at least shrink to minimal amounts, when it shrinks to a certain level, it will no longer be useful.

Is this correct?


As far as i know, it is possible that bitcoin will disappear because it has only limited resources for about 21 million. I think if this bitcoin will be all mined by miners, there is a possibility that the bitcoin will be longer useful or its price will shrink. But thats only for my opinion. No one knows what will happen in the future.

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October 10, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
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There will be a fixed number if Bitcoins, and people, because of human error, will accidentally lose Bitcoins every now and then.

This must mean that Bitcoin will eventually seize to exist? Or at least shrink to minimal amounts, when it shrinks to a certain level, it will no longer be useful.

Is this correct?



IF I'm going to ask, bitcoin will never be disappear especially for what is happening now, the demand was getting higher, and more investors are getting in  here in this industry. Also more merchants now are adapting the concepts system of bitcoins. Wink
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October 10, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
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Believe me, nothing lasts in this world, everything will disappear including bitcoin, I'm sure there will be hackers who mess up bitcoin or someday there is better coin than bitcoin so everyone leaves bitcoin and finally bitcoin disappear.
I am not sure what kind of logic is that,what you mean by everything will disappear eventually and do you think all the hackers in the world are sleeping for the past several years waiting for the right moment . Tongue Lets start some realistic conversation which could benefit someone rather than creating all these hypothetical threads which makes no sense.
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I do not think that bitcoin can disappear. Good specialists will constantly improve technology and correct mistakes if they are to ensure that bitcoin benefits everyone.

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October 10, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
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Bitcoin support worldwide is strong. Currently bitcoin is equivalent to 4393.68 USD at the time of this reply. So it will stick for a while.

I think saying that also means that it will be disappearing soon, you use the word "stick for a while" so you are saying that Bitcoin will be gone soon and be forgotten but it will not. I think bitcoin will not be a real currency in the future but it will be more valuable than the gold in this world.
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October 10, 2017, 12:24:06 PM
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I do not think that bitcoin can disappear. Good specialists will constantly improve technology and correct mistakes if they are to ensure that bitcoin benefits everyone.
For the successful existence of bitcoin a little time to make adjustments to the program. Bitcoin pretends to be the future currency in the world. I'm sure that many people do not like. Need to prepare for war for survival. Instead, we see constant war within the community. It jeopardizes all.
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October 10, 2017, 12:42:34 PM
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My personal opinion is that as long as the crypto ecosystem does nothing to discuss or recognise the economical dangers of LNs and PoS systems there might be a real chance this whole experiment is doomed to fail. These developments will lead to a better legacy payments system, an ideal system for the western cabal to controle. Nothing revolutionairy in the slightests, leaving room for other ideas and concepts that may be easily able to replace current cryptocurrencies given the right incentives.

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October 10, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
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Bitcoin has existed from over 8 years now and has been the predominant cryptocurrency in terms of price and volume of trade. Definitely, due to human error there has already been loss of millions of Bitcoins already worth billions of dollars today and this count could only increase by your idea. Everyone in the world can't commit the same mistake and lose their Bitcoin wallets so there will still be Bitcoin as long as users are careful with handling their moneys/wallets.
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