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Oh how you flatter me.  Honestly I chose this particular groupbuy because of your username.  A Lannister always pays his debts.  You and Blastbob have been great at organizing everything and keeping us updated, thank you for your hard work!
not to mention that Freddie Mercury avatar as well!!  Tongue

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Good evening everyone!

Allright, we've finished the IPO agreement. Now before we start, the following:

We've had to rewrite original agreements in the post because some things just need to be airtight when you do an IPO, also this share will hopefully be traded for many years to come and the original post wasn't setup to be on an exchange. We believe the changes made do not change anything for you (or us as a matter of fact) but clarify things and remove irrelevant things. We want you to take this opportunity to ask questions, check for mistakes and making sure we haven't forgotten anything.

We kindly request that if you feel somethings is not right, not clear, missing (or worse Wink) etc, you let us know either by PM, Email or on topic. If you want to discuss it we'd prefer PM, Email or IRC (#p2poolnl on freenode). This because we need consensus with all of you (and there are more than 100 of you  Grin). I'll reserve the post below for

Allright, about the IPO. We decided to do this on bitfunder.com. I know we have mentioned btct.co before but we've had a really pleasant talk with the owner Ukyo, the trade volume of bitfunder is almost the same as btct.co. Also Ukyo helped us tremendously with setting up the agreement and most importantly, bitfunder will enable us to expand our operation in a special way (more on that below). Read more about bitfunder here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.0.

So what's next. Below you'll find the complete agreement. As said wednesday, we want to try to finalize these over the weekend. In total 840 shares were sold (7 miners *120 shares). If a 67% mayority of shareholders (exclusing our own shares!) is in favor of the agreement we will finalize them and start the IPO.

Below the agreements we've added a short summary of changes. We look forward to your reviews and comments. We've tried to be as thorough and precise as possible, but please remember both of us are not native English speakers and people simply make mistakes Smiley

Thanks!

BlastBob & Tyrion70

--------- START AGREEMENTS --------
About the asset

ADDICTION started as a groupbuy on bitcointalk. 12 14typo KNC Jupiters were bought with the intention of making it an investment on an exchange. We thought this was best for multiple reasons. First of all it would allow shareholders an easy way to trade shares, even before the KNC miners are delivered. Second it would greatly simplify the administration of paying out dividends. Lastly if done right it would allow us to expand the operation and issue more shares. More on that later.

The Conditions

We are bound to the conditions we started out with on Bitcointalk. The original conditions can still be found here. Irrelevant parts have been removed and conditions were rewritten to accomodate the IPO. A summary of changes made to the original agreement are outlined below the original conditions.

Shares

Currently 148800 shares are issued. These shares represent the total hashing power of ADDICTION. As of this writing ADDICTION's hashing power comes from 12 KNC Jupiter miners. Total estimated hashrate of ADDICTION should be 4200GH/s. A bi-weekly average hashing rate will be published together with financial statements in order to determine the hashing equivalent of each share.

Dividends

Dividends are payed bi-weekly.

Payments

Payment are based on the total proceeds from the total hashrate of ADDICTED minus the costs described below. Detailed reports regarding the total mined amount will be made available bi-weekly together with dividend payment.

Costs

costs consist of the following one-time costs:
- the USD/BTC market difference at the time of purchase due to the fact that shares were payend in BTC and miners were bought with USD
- funding for power supplies for the miners
- costs for shipping and setting up the miners at the chosen facility
- one time costs for repairs / replacement parts during operation
- tax, duty or other governmental fees
and the following returning costs
- costs for hosting of the miners
- Unforeseen expenses to maintain efficient operation not exceeding 1BTC per month
- tax, duty or other governmental fees

A details expense report will be made available bi-weekly. Expenses not mentioned above exceeding 0.5 BTC cannot be made without consulting the shareholders. through a vote.

Hosting

Miners are hosted at a facility of operators choice. Choice of facility will be based on a number of things like network facilities, power facilities, airconditioning, location, on-site support etcetera.

Delivery

Miners are expected september/october 2013.

In case of non-delivery
We believe KNC will keep its promises. In case KNC does not deliver we will do everything in our power to refund your (and our own) investments. We cannot guarantee this however. Buying these shares means you agree to not hold us responsible in case KNC does not deliver.

Expanding the operation

We want to be able to expand our operation in order to keep profitable. In order to do that we calculate Hash/share on a bi-weekly basis. This number will be used when issuing new shares.

For example. Total hashing power of 144800 shares is 4200GH. Which is 28.23MH per share. If we were to buy a new miner that delivers 200GH we can issue 200.000 / 28,23 == 7084 new shares. This ensures that all shares are equal.

Newly issues shares will be kept in a special depot until the miner they represent is up-and-running. While in depot, these shares will not yield dividend and will not be tradeable. New shares are not prices above market value, but never below costprice (ie. the price of the miner it represents). Once an tranch is issued and the miner is working, any profits (difference between cost-price and issued shares) are payed out as dividends to current shareholders. Once that's done the new shares are released.

Expanding with miners that are not directly deliverable (like KNC's) cannot be done without a vote.

--------- END AGREEMENTS --------

Changes to original agreement

- We waived our right to retain the miners after 24 months of operation. Miners are simply assets of ADDICTION.
- Shares have been multiplied by 100 to allow smaller transfers.
- Costs have been specified in more detail
- Added several conditions on when a vote is called for
- Changed share definition to an equivalent of total ADDICTION hashing power
- Removed miner specifications to allow for expansion
- Removed part on how to acquire shares

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June 14, 2013, 06:37:26 PM
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Thanks for working out the IPO agreement. I know it is tedious.   Smiley

May I ask how 148800 shares is derived?


For example. Total hashing power of 144800 shares is 4200GH. Which is 28.23MH per share. If we were to buy a new miner that delivers 200GH we can issue 200.000 / 28,23 == 7084 new shares. This ensures that all shares are equal.

Newly issues shares will be kept in a special depot until the miner they represent is up-and-running. While in depot, these shares will not yield dividend and will not be tradeable. New shares are not prices above market value, but never below costprice (ie. the price of the miner it represents). Once an tranch is issued and the miner is working, any profits (difference between cost-price and issued shares) are payed out as dividends to current shareholders. Once that's done the new shares are released.

Expanding with miners that are not directly deliverable (like KNC's) cannot be done without a vote.


For the expansion plan, I guess there is no restriction on the purchasing only KNC miners, right? At that time, any better alternatives will be selected, right?

Coupling the share with a fixed hashrate may cause share price to drop over time as the network hashrate may grow substantially in the future. I am not sure if this matters.




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June 14, 2013, 06:46:24 PM
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Thanks for working out the IPO agreement. I know it is tedious.   Smiley
You bet! and you're welcome!

May I ask how 148800 shares is derived?
total of 12 miners * 124 shares equals 1488 shares. To enable to transfer smaller amounts we have multiplied that by 100. So for every share bought in this topic you will receive 100 shares on bitfunder.


For the expansion plan, I guess there is no restriction on the purchasing only KNC miners, right? At that time, any better alternatives will be selected, right?
Correct! Doesn't even have to be KNC. The best option will be selected (and if it involves risk shareholders will vote about it).

Coupling the share with a fixed hashrate may cause share price to drop over time as the network hashrate may grow substantially in the future. I am not sure if this matters.
Well, that's the funny thing. If I'm not mistaking an asicminer share stands for 100MH originally, but they are worth 2.80 BTC at the moment. Currently the original and new agreements do now allow reinvestment. We'd have to change that in order to change the hash/share. We might just do that in the future but that would certainly require a vote.

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June 14, 2013, 06:50:24 PM
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June 14, 2013, 06:53:25 PM
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Thanks for working out the IPO agreement. I know it is tedious.   Smiley
You bet! and you're welcome!

May I ask how 148800 shares is derived?
total of 12 miners * 124 shares equals 1488 shares. To enable to transfer smaller amounts we have multiplied that by 100. So for every share bought in this topic you will receive 100 shares on bitfunder.


For the expansion plan, I guess there is no restriction on the purchasing only KNC miners, right? At that time, any better alternatives will be selected, right?
Correct! Doesn't even have to be KNC. The best option will be selected (and if it involves risk shareholders will vote about it).

Coupling the share with a fixed hashrate may cause share price to drop over time as the network hashrate may grow substantially in the future. I am not sure if this matters.
Well, that's the funny thing. If I'm not mistaking an asicminer share stands for 100MH originally, but they are worth 2.80 BTC at the moment. Currently the original and new agreements do now allow reinvestment. We'd have to change that in order to change the hash/share. We might just do that in the future but that would certainly require a vote.

In the instance of issuing new shares, will current, early supporters of the group be offered first refusal?
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June 14, 2013, 09:45:24 PM
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How voting will be structured - by the number of people or by the number of shares?
In the first case whoever bought 1 share will have equal voice as the one who bought 100,
in the second case they will differ.
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June 14, 2013, 10:34:36 PM
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- In the instance of issuing new shares, will current, early supporters of the group be offered first refusal?
Not in current agreements, I like the idea though, but I'm unsure if that's at all possible with bitfunder.

- Voting structure
1 vote per share. Someone with 100 shares gets 100 votes.

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June 14, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
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- In the instance of issuing new shares, will current, early supporters of the group be offered first refusal?
Not in current agreements, I like the idea though, but I'm unsure if that's at all possible with bitfunder.

It would be great if you could get clarification on this as I believe because of the early buyers and supporters putting up the initial funds and willing to take on the risk, they should be rewarded.

- Voting structure
1 vote per share. Someone with 100 shares gets 100 votes.

Cheers
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June 15, 2013, 03:28:18 PM
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good job on the IPO man, looks hectic.

Looks fine by me - thumbs up!

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Good evening everyone!

Allright, we've finished the IPO agreement. Now before we start, the following:

We've had to rewrite original agreements in the post because some things just need to be airtight when you do an IPO, also this share will hopefully be traded for many years to come and the original post wasn't setup to be on an exchange. We believe the changes made do not change anything for you (or us as a matter of fact) but clarify things and remove irrelevant things. We want you to take this opportunity to ask questions, check for mistakes and making sure we haven't forgotten anything.

We kindly request that if you feel somethings is not right, not clear, missing (or worse Wink) etc, you let us know either by PM, Email or on topic. If you want to discuss it we'd prefer PM, Email or IRC (#p2poolnl on freenode). This because we need consensus with all of you (and there are more than 100 of you  Grin). I'll reserve the post below for

Allright, about the IPO. We decided to do this on bitfunder.com. I know we have mentioned btct.co before but we've had a really pleasant talk with the owner Ukyo, the trade volume of bitfunder is almost the same as btct.co. Also Ukyo helped us tremendously with setting up the agreement and most importantly, bitfunder will enable us to expand our operation in a special way (more on that below). Read more about bitfunder here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.0.

So what's next. Below you'll find the complete agreement. As said wednesday, we want to try to finalize these over the weekend. In total 840 shares were sold (7 miners *120 shares). If a 67% mayority of shareholders (exclusing our own shares!) is in favor of the agreement we will finalize them and start the IPO.

Below the agreements we've added a short summary of changes. We look forward to your reviews and comments. We've tried to be as thorough and precise as possible, but please remember both of us are not native English speakers and people simply make mistakes Smiley

Thanks!

BlastBob & Tyrion70

--------- START AGREEMENTS --------
About the asset

ADDICTION started as a groupbuy on bitcointalk. 12 14typo KNC Jupiters were bought with the intention of making it an investment on an exchange. We thought this was best for multiple reasons. First of all it would allow shareholders an easy way to trade shares, even before the KNC miners are delivered. Second it would greatly simplify the administration of paying out dividends. Lastly if done right it would allow us to expand the operation and issue more shares. More on that later.

The Conditions

We are bound to the conditions we started out with on Bitcointalk. The original conditions can still be found here. Irrelevant parts have been removed and conditions were rewritten to accomodate the IPO. A summary of changes made to the original agreement are outlined below the original conditions.

Shares

Currently 148800 shares are issued. These shares represent the total hashing power of ADDICTION. As of this writing ADDICTION's hashing power comes from 12 KNC Jupiter miners. Total estimated hashrate of ADDICTION should be 4200GH/s. A bi-weekly average hashing rate will be published together with financial statements in order to determine the hashing equivalent of each share.

Dividends

Dividends are payed bi-weekly.

Payments

Payment are based on the total proceeds from the total hashrate of ADDICTED minus the costs described below. Detailed reports regarding the total mined amount will be made available bi-weekly together with dividend payment.

Costs

costs consist of the following one-time costs:
- the USD/BTC market difference at the time of purchase due to the fact that shares were payend in BTC and miners were bought with USD
- funding for power supplies for the miners
- costs for shipping and setting up the miners at the chosen facility
- one time costs for repairs / replacement parts during operation
- tax, duty or other governmental fees
and the following returning costs
- costs for hosting of the miners
- Unforeseen expenses to maintain efficient operation not exceeding 1BTC per month
- tax, duty or other governmental fees

A details expense report will be made available bi-weekly. Expenses not mentioned above exceeding 0.5 BTC cannot be made without consulting the shareholders. through a vote.

Hosting

Miners are hosted at a facility of operators choice. Choice of facility will be based on a number of things like network facilities, power facilities, airconditioning, location, on-site support etcetera.

Delivery

Miners are expected september/october 2013.

In case of non-delivery
We believe KNC will keep its promises. In case KNC does not deliver we will do everything in our power to refund your (and our own) investments. We cannot guarantee this however. Buying these shares means you agree to not hold us responsible in case KNC does not deliver.

Expanding the operation

We want to be able to expand our operation in order to keep profitable. In order to do that we calculate Hash/share on a bi-weekly basis. This number will be used when issuing new shares.

For example. Total hashing power of 144800 shares is 4200GH. Which is 28.23MH per share. If we were to buy a new miner that delivers 200GH we can issue 200.000 / 28,23 == 7084 new shares. This ensures that all shares are equal.

Newly issues shares will be kept in a special depot until the miner they represent is up-and-running. While in depot, these shares will not yield dividend and will not be tradeable. New shares are not prices above market value, but never below costprice (ie. the price of the miner it represents). Once an tranch is issued and the miner is working, any profits (difference between cost-price and issued shares) are payed out as dividends to current shareholders. Once that's done the new shares are released.

Expanding with miners that are not directly deliverable (like KNC's) cannot be done without a vote.

--------- END AGREEMENTS --------

Changes to original agreement

- We waived our right to retain the miners after 24 months of operation. Miners are simply assets of ADDICTION.
- Shares have been multiplied by 100 to allow smaller transfers.
- Costs have been specified in more detail
- Added several conditions on when a vote is called for
- Changed share definition to an equivalent of total ADDICTION hashing power
- Removed miner specifications to allow for expansion
- Removed part on how to acquire shares
  cheers for good news.Smiley
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June 15, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
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Sounds great guys.  Well thought out.  Having Ukyo part of the implementation of the IPO was a great idea.  Looks smooth and concise.

Will we need to give you our Bitfunder IDs for proper transfer of shares once the IPO goes live?  Please clarify how shareholders will receive funds.  Some of us already own assets on Bitfunder, others will need to open an account.

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That IPO look nice. Waiting for progress Smiley
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Allright everyone,

We've just finished PM-ing everyone and we've already got a few reactions (thanks for that!). If you bought shares and haven't received a PM let us know so we can see what went wrong.

We won't be replying to everyone in person again (sending 99 pm's was enough for a while ;-) so hereby our gratitude for your response!

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I may have missed it, but when is the IPO slated to open?

Will members have the ability to purchase pre-ipo shares on bitfunder?

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I may have missed it, but when is the IPO slated to open?

Will members have the ability to purchase pre-ipo shares on bitfunder?

Well given the (positive) reactions so far, and the fact that we have some time now, we decided to PM everyone already. We still have to make some arrangement with bitfunder, which we hope to finish in a few days. Once that's done we've hopefully received replies from everyone and answered any questions still open.

Also, we realized that not everyone might read this post. Sending PM's hopefully ensures that everyone reads the IPO agreement and let us know what they think.

With regards to purchasing pre-ipo shares. We have to discuss it with bitfunder, but what want to do is inform all current shareholders before an actual extra IPO takes place to ensure they can have first pick.

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Love it, the IPO looks great, looking forward to the share issue!

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June 16, 2013, 12:07:47 AM
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I've sent you the PM already. looking professional indeed. glad to be part of the team  Grin
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