BitCoins for Edward Snowden.

[Elwar]

The fact that he believed Obama's promises shows that he is not all that smart.

He will be caught.

[worldinacoin]

Smart or not smart, you can't escape from the hands of the USA govt.

[drrussellshane]

The fact that he believed Obama's promises shows that he is not all that smart.

He will be caught.

This is a valid point.

[daburone]

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

[Ephebus]

NSA surveillance: anger mounts in Congress at 'spying on Americans'

After a closed-door briefing of the House of Representatives, lawmakers call for a review of the Patriot Act.

Europe warns US: you must respect the privacy of our citizens

EU officials demand answers on what data snooping programmes entail and whether they breach human rights.

[LorenzoMoney]

I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.

Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit.  Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

 

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

[marcus_of_augustus]

We all knew it .. doesn't make it right. They have been doing their damnedest by lying, denying, obfuscating, changing the laws and secret rulings etc to stay out of court about it.

Now they have to face the music for what are criminal actions.

They can stick their transactions graphs right up their backsides ... piss off with your snooping, who needs it in a free society?

I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.

Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit.  Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

 

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

[bitbybit2]

he probably knows alot more than you do about which is the safest place to go after doing what he's doing.

Maybe, but he does seem to be missing at the moment.  Whisked away to Beijing, perhaps, or maybe our National Hero is already living the high life in Russia?

It may sound like news to you, but Hong Kong indeed doesn't ultimately answer to Beijing, at least not always.

I have been Hong Kong (China too), so I am under no illusion that the people of Hong Kong live under the same strict regime as the people of mainland China.  That doesn't mean China isn't in control.  And Snowden seems to be betting on exactly that - if he is allowed to stay in HK, it will be because China has stepped in under Article 3 of the US-Hong Kong treaty (which allows Hong Kong to refuse to hand a person over if it believes that it might impact China's "defence, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy").

In HK? Do you think hongkongese will give him permanent residence. I don't think so. Hongkongese are brutal when it comes to accepting aliens in their milieu. Russia? I tell you Iceland is better.

[oakpacific]

he probably knows alot more than you do about which is the safest place to go after doing what he's doing.

Maybe, but he does seem to be missing at the moment.  Whisked away to Beijing, perhaps, or maybe our National Hero is already living the high life in Russia?

It may sound like news to you, but Hong Kong indeed doesn't ultimately answer to Beijing, at least not always.

I have been Hong Kong (China too), so I am under no illusion that the people of Hong Kong live under the same strict regime as the people of mainland China.  That doesn't mean China isn't in control.  And Snowden seems to be betting on exactly that - if he is allowed to stay in HK, it will be because China has stepped in under Article 3 of the US-Hong Kong treaty (which allows Hong Kong to refuse to hand a person over if it believes that it might impact China's "defence, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy").

If Snowden is that shrewd with politics(which I doubt), he should know that if China allows him to stay, she will get no credit because he is in Hong Kong, otherwise if he is handed back, it will be face-losing for China because she apparently chooses to cooperate with her assumed ideological archenemy, so yes, he indeed made the right bet, but only by coincidence I guess.

[bassclef]

I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.

Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit.  Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

 

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

Did you listen to his interview? He said that he could wiretap anyone at any time from his workstation.  Judges, your neighbor, your accountant, even the President. I pay pretty close attention to the news and was not aware of this. Sure we all joke about it being true to an extent, but it's not like there are media outlets regularly informing us of this massive data aggregation. And it is absolutely massive and secret, seeing how all major tech and cellular companies are complicit, yet ordered to deny it when asked.

The man has more courage than most of us here, I can assure you of that.

[cypherdoc]

We all knew it .. doesn't make it right. They have been doing their damnedest by lying, denying, obfuscating, changing the laws and secret rulings etc to stay out of court about it.

Now they have to face the music for what are criminal actions.

They can stick their transactions graphs right up their backsides ... piss off with your snooping, who needs it in a free society?

I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.

Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit.  Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

 

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

no, we didn't know it.

we've long suspected it, but didn't know it.  especially in the ways Snowden described.

being able to "intercept" any one of us at any time.  you, me, your wife, your accountant, your banker, your local Google rep, etc.

plus, he put it the context of blatant disregard and hubris from his bosses at NSA.  we've got a problem and it's big.

[TomUnderSea]

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plus, he put it the context of blatant disregard and hubris from his bosses at NSA.  we've got a problem and it's big.

With slowly developing scandal of IRS suppression of small government advocacy groups (eg patriot/tea party/etc), the ability for a secret, well funded agency that answers to the Executive Branch to monitor activity to this level is especially troubling.

Essentially, I can be reasonably certain that all of the metadata regarding my household and much of the actual content of activity is sitting in a "protected" database at NSA, just waiting for someone to decide that I am a threat to the government and get a secret warrant to look at it.  All of this with out ANY notice to me.

As a US citizen, I find this extremely disturbing since the government that is able to do this should only exist because of the collective agreement of US citizens.

"I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."  - Grover Norquist

[cypherdoc]

Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

according to you.

if you see something illegal going on in your workplace, you should report it.  that he did.

as far as screwing his life, did you listen to what he said?  he's comfortable with the difficult decision he's made.  he understands that it will irreversibly alter his life, probably for the worse, but sometimes principles are worth fighting for.

and as far as an investment, that's the wrong way to look at this.

[daburone]

I agree with you.
Anyone who has been reading the news has known that the NSA was monitoring transatlantic communication at the nodes of where the cables come into the US.

Also, the NSA is not looking at the actual content of our communication. They were merely creating a network graph of who talks to whom. Yes, that IS an intrusion, but they were working on the assumption that if you know who someone's friends are, you know who they are. I am interested in Bitcoin because I want to make money, and because I believe that if there is a form of currency that makes trade between individuals and small companies in different countries easier, the world will benefit.  Snowden violated his employment agreement. He also screwed his life. He made a very bad investment.

 

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this guy is a nimrod.

He throws away his life, all to tell us the profound news that the US Govt is snooping on our communications.

ROFL

Anyhow, I'll throw in a bitcoin... a bitcoin to whoever catches the rat.

 

Did you listen to his interview? He said that he could wiretap anyone at any time from his workstation.  Judges, your neighbor, your accountant, even the President. I pay pretty close attention to the news and was not aware of this. Sure we all joke about it being true to an extent, but it's not like there are media outlets regularly informing us of this massive data aggregation. And it is absolutely massive and secret, seeing how all major tech and cellular companies are complicit, yet ordered to deny it when asked.

The man has more courage than most of us here, I can assure you of that.

Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.

I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my <cell/bank/university/health/whatever> company.

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.

I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my <cell/bank/university/health/whatever> company.

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?

You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listening to your porn calls they just store them all up and data-mine the whole lot of them for when someone decides it is your turn to be gone after ....

[Cryptoman]

NSA surveillance: anger mounts in Congress at 'spying on Americans'

After a closed-door briefing of the House of Representatives, lawmakers call for a review of the Patriot Act.

Europe warns US: you must respect the privacy of our citizens

EU officials demand answers on what data snooping programmes entail and whether they breach human rights.

This is what makes me sick about politicians.  They all knew this was going on, but they are only now pretending to care because of the negative spin in the media.

[rumbitla]

Smart or not smart, you can't escape from the hands of the USA govt.

Heroes are not afraid of evil regimes.

[atariguy]

Edward Snowden is a modern day hero and deserves support for everyone who wants to preserve basic liberties, democracy and privacy. Do not let them demonise this guy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

In footage shot by The Guardian newspaper, Edward Snowden said he packed his bags for Hong Kong three weeks ago, leaving behind a "very comfortable life'' in Hawaii, a salary of $200,000, a girlfriend, a stable career and a loving family.

"I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building." Snowden said.

But he believed that the value of the internet, along with basic privacy, is being rapidly destroyed by ubiquitous surveillance. "I don't see myself as a hero," he said, "because what I'm doing is self-interested: I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."

Once he reached the conclusion that the NSA's surveillance net would soon be irrevocable, he said it was just a matter of time before he chose to act. "What they're doing" poses "an existential threat to democracy", he said.

We just need to snag a BTC address for him .

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

[Cubic Earth]

You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?

You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listening to your porn calls they just store them all up and data-mine the whole lot of them for when someone decides it is your turn to be gone after ....

+1

[marcus_of_augustus]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies