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August 01, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
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What I think is that everyone already knows that the government spies on them, and no one trusts the government already. Pretty much every independent poll ever done on gov trust confirms that.

You might be surprised how little Americans know about what the government does.
Do not underestimate our capacity to ignore even what might seem obvious.

Your assessment of the media is also interesting, but consider the media coverage in the Snowden case.
It focuses 99% on the personage of Snowden.  Almost zero coverage about what was revealed.
This method is not new, it is repeated with each whistleblower.
The effect is to maintain the ignorance about what is revealed, and focus entirely on the intrigue of the manhunt.  It becomes an adventure and human interest story rather than anything that can affect policy or government.

It was the same with Bradley Manning.  Americans know a lot more about his sexual issues than they do about anything that he revealed.

Americans are instructed to be afraid of our "enemies".

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August 02, 2013, 12:18:05 AM
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So how does this XKeyscore thing work ... is it like a credit rating ... to see how close to being a terrorist any one person might be?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

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A top secret National Security Agency program allows analysts to search with no prior authorization through vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing histories of millions of individuals, according to documents provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The NSA boasts in training materials that the program, called XKeyscore, is its "widest-reaching" system for developing intelligence from the internet.

I bet it is built on top of linux ...

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August 02, 2013, 12:32:24 AM
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So how does this XKeyscore thing work ... is it like a credit rating ... to see how close to being a terorist anyone person might be?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

I just read that and all I can say is... holy shit!

Every email provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every IM provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every search engine worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every social media <whatever> worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
and last but not least probably every ISP worth mentioning is being tapped for content.

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August 02, 2013, 12:57:12 AM
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So how does this XKeyscore thing work ... is it like a credit rating ... to see how close to being a terorist anyone person might be?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

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A top secret National Security Agency program allows analysts to search with no prior authorization through vast databases containing emails, online chats and the browsing histories of millions of individuals, according to documents provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The NSA boasts in training materials that the program, called XKeyscore, is its "widest-reaching" system for developing intelligence from the internet.

I bet it is built on top of linux ...


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August 02, 2013, 04:20:13 AM
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So how does this XKeyscore thing work ... is it like a credit rating ... to see how close to being a terorist anyone person might be?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

I just read that and all I can say is... holy shit!

Every email provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every IM provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every search engine worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every social media <whatever> worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
and last but not least probably every ISP worth mentioning is being tapped for content.

Since you got that joke, here's one even funnier...
That Guardian Webpage you just browsed and linked here has all the social media "like" buttons and "share" buttons embedded on it.
You can see them on the left.

The Java script those buttons include on the page are enough to provide this tracking information through those social media sites,
So even if Guardian were not providing this browser tapping directly, the java from those "like" buttons would be doing it anyway. EVEN if you don't use them, or Facebook.
Every time you see that little thumbs up, you know you have just added your browsing data to the XKeyscore system.


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August 02, 2013, 04:55:06 AM
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So how does this XKeyscore thing work ... is it like a credit rating ... to see how close to being a terorist anyone person might be?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

I just read that and all I can say is... holy shit!

Every email provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every IM provider worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every search engine worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
Every social media <whatever> worth mentioning is being tapped for content.
and last but not least probably every ISP worth mentioning is being tapped for content.

Since you got that joke, here's one even funnier...
That Guardian Webpage you just browsed and linked here has all the social media "like" buttons and "share" buttons embedded on it.
You can see them on the left.

The Java script those buttons include on the page are enough to provide this tracking information through those social media sites,
So even if Guardian were not providing this browser tapping directly, the java from those "like" buttons would be doing it anyway. EVEN if you don't use them, or Facebook.
Every time you see that little thumbs up, you know you have just added your browsing data to the XKeyscore system.



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August 02, 2013, 12:26:49 PM
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Your assessment of the media is also interesting, but consider the media coverage in the Snowden case.
It focuses 99% on the personage of Snowden.  Almost zero coverage about what was revealed.
This method is not new, it is repeated with each whistleblower.
The effect is to maintain the ignorance about what is revealed, and focus entirely on the intrigue of the manhunt.  It becomes an adventure and human interest story rather than anything that can affect policy or government.

It was the same with Bradley Manning.  Americans know a lot more about his sexual issues than they do about anything that he revealed.

Americans are instructed to be afraid of our "enemies".
To be fair, Snowden made this all about him anyway.  In front of the camera from day 1, regular interviews and statements, flirting with various countries for asylum, etc.  Bottom line, his story quickly became way more interesting than the NSA-spies-on-people shocker.

Anyway, put your bitcoins away.  Snowden's getting plenty of Rubles for his troubles. Grin

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August 02, 2013, 02:06:04 PM
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Your assessment of the media is also interesting, but consider the media coverage in the Snowden case.
It focuses 99% on the personage of Snowden.  Almost zero coverage about what was revealed.
This method is not new, it is repeated with each whistleblower.
The effect is to maintain the ignorance about what is revealed, and focus entirely on the intrigue of the manhunt.  It becomes an adventure and human interest story rather than anything that can affect policy or government.

It was the same with Bradley Manning.  Americans know a lot more about his sexual issues than they do about anything that he revealed.

Americans are instructed to be afraid of our "enemies".
To be fair, Snowden made this all about him anyway.  In front of the camera from day 1, regular interviews and statements, flirting with various countries for asylum, etc.  Bottom line, his story quickly became way more interesting than the NSA-spies-on-people shocker.
Do you imagine that Snowden is in control of the edit?  Or even when the camera is on or where it is pointed?
Or that he has a choice of whether a picture of PRISM or his face is on the screen for the masses?
If so, than even you sir, have been duped along with all the rest of us.

Anyway, put your bitcoins away.  Snowden's getting plenty of Rubles for his troubles. Grin

He may be his generations Annie Machon (MI5 whistleblower on the Qadaffi assassination plot), if he survives so long.
http://anniemachon.ch/

Americans generally do not know any of this, mostly because of apathy.

Snowden's other option (if he wanted to out these systems due to his burden of conscience) would have been to leak the information anonymously.  What would have happened then is a massive internal manhunt to the great detriment and suffering of a vast number of his colleagues.  So taking the heat on it personally was probably less to do with his egoism than you might suggest.
I would never have done it myself.   I have far too much to lose to be revealing secrets, about anything.  And I selfishly value my trustworthyness more than any imagined potential benefit to society that might come from what he did.  Due to the the political perversity principle, it is just as likely to have the opposite of whatever effect Snowden intended.

But it can be fun to point out what is in the public domain already, and taking a fresh look at the relevant interests and how they are aligned and opposed is engaging for some strategic thinkers.
I don't have any reason for, (or even any way of) either being for or against him as a person, a criminal, or a hero, but observing the interplay of reactions has to be engaging food for analysis.

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August 09, 2013, 03:27:49 AM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/08/email-company-reportedly-used-by-edward-snowden-shuts-down-rather-than-hand-data-over-to-feds/

Lavabit, an email provider allegedly used by Snowden.  Lavabit doesn't provide info to government so it shutters the business rather than surrender 1st amendment protections.

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August 09, 2013, 02:01:23 PM
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any basement-dwelling anarchists hacker types around? (i know, we are all conformist legal eagles now ... ) but anyhoo ...

... you might like this new twist in the theatre of the absurd .gov has vomited up in the Snowden case

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/07/why-a-former-nsa-chief-just-made-a-big-mistake-by-dissing-hackers/

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Former NSA and CIA chief Gen. Michael Hayden speculated on Tuesday  ...... he went on to dismiss Snowden supporters as “nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twenty-somethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.”

... yeah, these are the guys responsible for establishing the State surveillance Leviathan ... trolling like hormone-charged 15yos.

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August 09, 2013, 03:58:05 PM
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Snowden had a 200,000$ salary, I'm sure that with Russia buying his confidential information he will be doing great.

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August 09, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
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i would donate.

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August 09, 2013, 11:43:16 PM
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Snowden had a 200,000$ salary, I'm sure that with Russia buying his confidential information he will be doing great.

If you call being the target of a global manhunt by a world superpower with global reach and a vindictive streak for truth tellers great ... yeah, then he's doing "great".

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August 09, 2013, 11:52:59 PM
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Snowden had a 200,000$ salary, I'm sure that with Russia buying his confidential information he will be doing great.

If you call being the target of a global manhunt by a world superpower with global reach and a vindictive streak for truth tellers great ... yeah, then he's doing "great".

Doing great financial wise, manhunt wise the blood is on your hands, you are the ones that let Mohammed give ya the terrorism scare and strip your rights away, if you are looking at someone to blame you can look in the mirror.

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August 12, 2013, 01:11:20 AM
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It's now possible to do this:

https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden

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You can send BTC to the following address for the Journalistic Source Protection Defence Fund for Edward Snowden:

1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa
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August 12, 2013, 11:04:51 AM
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He was basically working for the Federal Reserve, helping the CIA/NSA to obtain trade secrets, etc.  Without an alternative, anonymous currency, the options for someone in his position Wink

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August 13, 2013, 06:30:40 AM
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It's now possible to do this:

https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden

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You can send BTC to the following address for the Journalistic Source Protection Defence Fund for Edward Snowden:

1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa

Snowden is a hero.

Just sent 5BTC to the defense fund.

I wish for him to be able to start a real life again sometime...

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August 13, 2013, 06:45:18 PM
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Amazing: 5'000 Dollars of the donated 11'000.- until today come from the 1 Percent, the Bitcoiners.

https://blockchain.info/address/1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa
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Amazing: 5'000 Dollars of the donated 11'000.- until today come from the 1 Percent, the Bitcoiners.

So big win for wikileaks for enabling bitcoin donations.

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Amazing: 5'000 Dollars of the donated 11'000.- until today come from the 1 Percent, the Bitcoiners.

So big win for wikileaks for enabling bitcoin donations.

I was donating to WikiLeaks directly before Snowden was offered Asylum. Hoping some of the btc sent there and not to the 1snow cacount still went to him

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