You don't think him buying BTC, selling BTC, and selling a 500.00 gift card is relevent to the fact that he owes a memeber over 400.00 and seems to not have a care in the world about resolving it relevent.
He is coming in here, posting all kinds of things that make no sense, making up 100 excuses, which I know are patently NOt how paypal operates, yet he is still being defended.
Tell ya what. Why dont YOU buy the gift card from him?
Because I don't need a $500 ebay giftcard? But if you were looking for a birthday gift... :-p
The reason I don't think this is a scam is because of the fact that he has some pretty good proof that his account is locked. I don't think the screenshot is faked. What is the chance that he knew his account would be locked, and then asked for payment of the $425? Pretty slim if you ask me. Yes, it does sound like he does not have a lot of experience with PP and
he does not have a business account, but being inept with technology does not a scammer one make. Otherwise my grandfather would be a scammer! It took myself a few years to learn everything about what I use in PP and I'm sure there's a lot more to learn still.
Do I know he is not a scammer? No, of course not, there is only one person that knows that for sure at this point,
but the evidence, at least to me, points to the fact that he is probably not. It sounds like Goose has opened a dispute and
June has made no effort to counter--a scammer certainly would make some sort of counter rather than letting the money just go. Yes,
he should call up PP and ask them to resolve in favor of the claimant, but I wouldn't be surprised if PP required this to be in writing. And remember, disputes that are not responded to in a certain time frame (I want to say it's a week from the date of purchase? but I could be making this up, I know it's less than 20 days for sure based on PP's website) will allow the buyer to elevate it to a claim. "You and the buyer communicate directly on the PayPal site. If you don’t respond, the buyer may escalate the issue to a claim."
Like I said, there are a lot of little nuances of how PP operates that causes a lot of glitches, and I doubt any one person could know all of these (because if their tech team knew, they would work to fix these!)
In regards to him buying and selling BTC, since this is a BTC forum, that doesn't strike me as odd at all. And
neither does selling a giftcard. Just because your account is locked doesn't mean that you can't still conduct business as usual. Imagine if we had to shut down our company every time paypal locked our account! Can you imagine the lost sales? Yes, I'm sure that not having PP would cause slow down business as people who want to pay via PP might go elsewhere, but it's not a red flag in and of itself.
And would I do business with him? Probably not. But that's not because of this thread. I don't do business with people I don't trust and know all that well with BTC because it is a non-reversible transaction. If escrowed, I would consider it, but why pay for escrow when I have my own list of trusted members?
The reason I defend him is that I believe in innocence until proven guilty,
and he is still making an effort here to post what he;s doing even if it doesn't seem to be the most expeditious route to those of us with more experience with PP. I have dealt with a locked account before on more than one occasion and I can tell you it's a very frustrating experience. But I believe the following steps could resolve the issue if the parties involved know how to do it:
1)
June contacts PP NOT in regards to this transaction, but just how to unlock his account. If he does this, he can send funds back to goose and there is no problem left. (Or send the BTC, I would leave the choice up to Goose)
2)
June asks PP to find the dispute resolution in favor of goose. (n.b. this is not the same as refunding the buyer which obviously isn't working right now. It has the same effect, but it allows the buyer to escalate to a claim which June is not disputing)
3)
Goose hears nothing back from June and asks PP to escalate to a claim. He will need to wait 7 days before this options is available IIRC, but it would work.4) Goose files a chargeback with his CC company. He gets the money back in 14-31 days.
Any of the 4 options would work. But all parties involved need to swallow their pride a bit and come to terms with the fact that THEY have to take the action. Xbox and I and anyone else involved can armchair quarterback but only one of them can actually call the play on the field.
This makes no sense. Let me explain why (bolded your statements)
1. No one disputes his account is locked. I agree that it is locked. I also know what locked account can and cannot do, and he continues to say otherwise. People can argue all they want, the fact remains that I understand the policy pretty freaking good after being employed by them and handling these issues.
2. Personal or business account is totally irrelevent.
3. That is your opinion. However, the evidence does NOT lead one to believe he is not a scammer.
4. This is insane. A scammer would 100% let the funds go. The scammer cannot start an open communication with paypal. What is he going to say? He has no proof of anything. A scammer will simply open a new paypal account, under another fake name, and go on his way, chalking up this account as gone. You DO NOT have to be verified by PayPal to receive OR spend money that is received. Don't believe me? I can make a PayPal account right now with any name you like, and you can send the account 1.00. And guess what, it'll work. Would you like to test that theory? I will make an account with the name Mickey Mouse.
5. PayPAl will not find in favor of anyone based on a phone call alone. They will tell the receiver to refund the bill through the paypal website if he wished to close the dispute. Otherwise, they will take their time in resolving the issue.
6. In less than 24 hours, a new member goes from needing a nice sum of btc to wanting to unload a nice sum of BTC.... with no record of any transactions in between. Yea, he could have bought them off site. Pretty odd though.
7. This is the same thing. As soon as he is called out in the thread, he all of a sudden "sold it on bitmit". Can I see that transaction please?
8. He has been advised numberous times. This can be solved in 5 minutes. Myself or anyone with a knowledge of PayPal could have this fixed in no time. He refuses all attempts at reason. Maybe he is upset because I called him out. Sorry, when I see a duck, I call it a duck.
9. Back to number 4. I highly suspect that this is a bogus PayPal account. It is not verified. I know for a fact you can get account verified, then if you remove your bank account, the account will most likely remain verified. It will not all of a sudden go to unverified. Additionally, he states he has had this acocunt for years. Can you show us any transactions proving this?
10. They won't as described in number 5.
11. Meanwhile, Goose is out the money until then. If June is not a scammer, he should have the decency to get the man the BTC or his money. Obviously his money at this point.
Also, I see a thread where someone was asking for help, and the next post was from this June guy. Funny what the next post was..... the OP was telling the thread that he needed help, but was not giving his private key out to anyone. Did he PM the guy and ask him for his private key for help? Who does that?!?!?
