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June 21, 2013, 07:43:31 AM |
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People here can be so immature regarding money
Obviously, you are one of them. This is why my professional advice to you is: Think twice before start selling something in bitcoins. If you can't manage BTC/USD exchange risk you'd better accept only USD. Don't try to pass this exchange risk on to your customers because what they buy is NOT USD but the actual products and services you sell! sounds like someone over paid in BTC for his mining equipment and knows he will never make that many BTC back again....... Oh, about 99% of BFL customers are in that category. Fortunately, I'm not a BFL customer. |
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June 21, 2013, 09:10:48 AM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
Sure. People arguing the opposite are actually saying that BTC will never be used as a currency without the USD and will always depend on BTC/USD exchange rate. Sounds familiar, huh? They want BTC to be just an extension of the USD?! And those people claim they are part of BTC community!? It is beyond my understanding.    |
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June 21, 2013, 09:14:17 AM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. |
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June 21, 2013, 09:39:24 AM |
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I reported that auction a couple days ago.. I'm sure others did as well..  Thanks! You did me a big favor. You really did. So it got removed from ebay?! Are you still going to try and sell it? |
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June 21, 2013, 10:27:02 AM |
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edit: look closely at his eyes and see what he sees
What he sees in front of him is a herd of ignorant sheep waiting to be fleeced.
But those eyes are evil. He knows he must hurt them emotionally before ripping off their skin for profit. You can see the disgust in his eyes for the, as he calls them, "monumental assholes" that he's about to rape. Muahahaha
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becoin
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June 21, 2013, 10:30:00 AM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  |
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Flashman
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June 21, 2013, 10:30:36 AM |
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Not really... Business works through contracts. BitPay is NOT turning my BTC into USD as I don't have any contractual relations with BitPay. BitPay is turning BFL's bitcoins into USD as BFL is a BitPay customer. It is completely up to BFL to decide what % of BTC received with BitPay they want converted into USD!
Derp! You have a contract with bitpay when you CHOOSE to pay with bitpay. |
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June 21, 2013, 10:34:33 AM |
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Not really... Business works through contracts. BitPay is NOT turning my BTC into USD as I don't have any contractual relations with BitPay. BitPay is turning BFL's bitcoins into USD as BFL is a BitPay customer. It is completely up to BFL to decide what % of BTC received with BitPay they want converted into USD!
Derp! You have a contract with bitpay when you CHOOSE to pay with bitpay. Derp! I don't because it is the choice of BFL to use BitPay. My choice is to pay in BTC. |
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Flashman
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June 21, 2013, 10:40:32 AM |
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Riiight, so you were just about to send to their bitcoin address when all of a sudden 5000 armed ninjas stormed into your house, grabbed your mouse and made you click the bitpay button, or did you manage to do it all by your big self?
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June 21, 2013, 10:46:37 AM |
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Riiight, so you were just about to send to their bitcoin address when all of a sudden 5000 armed ninjas stormed into your house, grabbed your mouse and made you click the bitpay button, or did you manage to do it all by your big self?
Right, so if a company ABC instructs me on their invoice to pay to account 123456789 in bank XYZ they are not responsible for not delivering the purchase because I paid the bank instead of paying the company?!... Are you kidding? Do I have to have a contract with their bank to pay them? |
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greyhawk
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June 21, 2013, 10:49:10 AM |
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This is really one of the best trolls on this site. I love how he stays in-character at all times.
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June 21, 2013, 10:55:02 AM |
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This is really one of the best trolls on this site. I love how he stays in-character at all times.
I love such arguments. This really shows your bag of arguments is empty. |
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June 21, 2013, 11:39:45 AM
Last edit: June 21, 2013, 01:27:39 PM by Bitcoinorama |
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 Anyone here familiar with the saying; 'flogging a dead horse'...? If not, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse |
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greyhawk
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June 21, 2013, 11:39:57 AM |
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This is really one of the best trolls on this site. I love how he stays in-character at all times.
I love such arguments. This really shows your bag of arguments is empty. I don't waste arguments on you. Others have done that for months. I'll keep hanging on to my arguments and hoard them in case they become the worlds primary currency. Have you talked to your lawyer yet, becoin? Can you give us a trip report? |
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June 21, 2013, 01:12:03 PM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  It clearly states that the price is in dollars, but that you can pay with BTC. |
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June 21, 2013, 01:42:37 PM |
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Hey i just want to say......
FCK anyone that quoted becoin. Dont you idiots understand that ruined anyone that ignores him?
Keep feeding the troll idiots.
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June 21, 2013, 02:10:25 PM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  It clearly states that the price is in dollars, but that you can pay with BTC. Yeah, I don't see how this is a thing. If the sale price was in BTC, you'd have a case. It wasn't, and you don't. They just offered a service to convert your bitcoins for you. Basically, you sold your bitcoins to pay (in dollars) for the BFL miner. You are totally shit out of luck. |
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June 21, 2013, 02:24:52 PM |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  It clearly states that the price is in dollars, but that you can pay with BTC. Yeah, I don't see how this is a thing. If the sale price was in BTC, you'd have a case. It wasn't, and you don't. They just offered a service to convert your bitcoins for you. Basically, you sold your bitcoins to pay (in dollars) for the BFL miner. You are totally shit out of luck. That invoice even shows the conversion rate is valid for a limited time... |
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June 21, 2013, 04:03:47 PM |
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Hey i just want to say......
FCK anyone that quoted becoin. Dont you idiots understand that ruined anyone that ignores him?
Keep feeding the troll idiots.
I don't ignore anyone. I'm also making everyone who has you on ignore read your post. becoin should realize that when customers choose to pay in BTC, using BitPay, to satisfy the USD prices listed in both the invoice and on BFL's product page THAT The bitcoin price is calculated on the spot to satisfy an amount in USD on the invoice. You are choosing to send your bitcoins at the time to settle a USD debt. I don't think bitpay even let's people price things in BTC. (correct me if i'm wrong) That invoice even shows the conversion rate is valid for a limited time...
edit: also this |
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June 21, 2013, 04:36:20 PM |
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Hey i just want to say......
FCK anyone that quoted becoin. Dont you idiots understand that ruined anyone that ignores him?
Keep feeding the troll idiots.
I don't ignore anyone. I'm also making everyone who has you on ignore read your post. becoin should realize that when customers choose to pay in BTC, using BitPay, to satisfy the USD prices listed in both the invoice and on BFL's product page THAT The bitcoin price is calculated on the spot to satisfy an amount in USD on the invoice. You are choosing to send your bitcoins at the time to settle a USD debt. I don't think bitpay even let's people price things in BTC. (correct me if i'm wrong) That invoice even shows the conversion rate is valid for a limited time...
edit: also this This is all way too much logic and sense. |
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