Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling

[SgtSpike]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

But is there a reason that shilling and dupe accounts are not prohibited by the TOS? Is that an ideological choice?

It seems to me that you either promote fair dealing or you don't, and while I agree that auction shilling isn't anywhere near pirate level, felonious behavior, it certainly isn't fair dealing. You can't get a little bit pregnant.

I agree 100%.  In my opinion, a scammer is anyone who goes back on their word in any kind of trade or deal and is unable or refuses to compensate the victim in a manner acceptable to the victim.

[ibminer]

I feel like I really need to know a lot more about theymos's ideological views... although, I would hope we can put aside ideological views for the good of the bitcoin community?   

[Darktongue]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

[optimator]

Wow! what a thread. Today, on bitcointalk.org, I learned to always ask in an auction before posting a bid, if the OP, friend's of the OP, alts, sockpuppets, or his mother will be bidding on his auction before making a bid.

I'm going to take a shower now.

[Inaba]

The forum admins here don't seem to care about the auction system here having any sort of validity.  But why is everyone missing the fact that not only was the Werner account shilling bids, he was also trolling others with it.  Maybe scamming and trolling are acceptable here???

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?

So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

[ThatDGuy]

The forum admins here don't seem to care about the auction system here having any sort of validity.  But why is everyone missing the fact that not only was the Werner account shilling bids, he was also trolling others with it.  Maybe scamming and trolling are acceptable here???

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?

So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

Which one are you referring to?  Quite a bit has been quoted since and may in fact be posted elsewhere.

[stereotype]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

[Darktongue]

The forum admins here don't seem to care about the auction system here having any sort of validity.  But why is everyone missing the fact that not only was the Werner account shilling bids, he was also trolling others with it.  Maybe scamming and trolling are acceptable here???

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?

So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

Jesus christ don't you have some dick to some dick to suck josh.  This thread is over 20 pages now and nothing has been acomplished.  Wait I take that back.  The only thing that's been acomplished is that someone fucked you at your own game. I don't feel any bit sorry for your pansy ass.  Also I'm very pleased I can say this without you throwing your dinky phallus power in my direction.  No order to cancel mother fucker LoL.

[stereotype]

The forum admins here don't seem to care about the auction system here having any sort of validity.  But why is everyone missing the fact that not only was the Werner account shilling bids, he was also trolling others with it.  Maybe scamming and trolling are acceptable here???

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?

So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

Had a post deleted also.

[ThatDGuy]

The forum admins here don't seem to care about the auction system here having any sort of validity.  But why is everyone missing the fact that not only was the Werner account shilling bids, he was also trolling others with it.  Maybe scamming and trolling are acceptable here???

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

Now, aside this BFL story, I never believed in sock-puppets accusations. (call me naive, yes)
I thought...what would be the real purpose of such account?
I mean, what the heck can I do with a new account and I can't do with the old one?

So now that I found that I was wrong...really Garr255, what is the purpose of this Werner account of yours?
I am just curious.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

Jesus christ don't you have some dick to some dick to suck josh.  This thread is over 20 pages now and nothing has been acomplished.  Wait I take that back.  The only thing that's been acomplished is that someone fucked you at your own game. I don't feel any bit sorry for your pansy ass.  Also I'm very pleased I can say this without you throwing your dinky phallus power in my direction.  No order to cancel mother fucker LoL.

What the? I don't even?

The only people currently getting fucked in this situation appear to be starsoccer9 and Vezunchik, by Garr255.  He's claimed he will try to un-fuck them.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

I don't believe that darktongue realized that theymos was making a statement toward the very country he lives in unless, of course, theymos doesn't live in the US, but in Russia and used the wrong account to post. Stranger shit has happened in this thread.

[stereotype]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

I don't believe that darktongue realized that theymos was making a statement toward the very country he lives in unless, of course, theymos doesn't live in the US, but in Russia and used the wrong account to post. Stranger shit has happened in this thread.

Shillgate goes global. Why not. 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

I don't believe that darktongue realized that theymos was making a statement toward the very country he lives in unless, of course, theymos doesn't live in the US, but in Russia and used the wrong account to post. Stranger shit has happened in this thread.

Shillgate goes global. Why not. 

Ummm! Garr is a MarsOne fan, so you can say its gone galactic.

[r3wt]

* r3wt watches the trainwreck

[ThatDGuy]

* r3wt watches the trainwreck

[stereotype]

fyi, shill bidding is a felony in the United states, so there again, whether or not it was a real scam is subject to conjecture/opinion.

sources: My uncle runs an auction house in Little Rock, Arkansas.

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

I don't believe that darktongue realized that theymos was making a statement toward the very country he lives in unless, of course, theymos doesn't live in the US, but in Russia and used the wrong account to post. Stranger shit has happened in this thread.

Shillgate goes global. Why not. 

Ummm! Garr is a MarsOne fan, so you can say its gone galactic.

Then the answer to this mess, will be found in the number 42.  

[Darktongue]

I apologize to the uber admin then.  Seriously. .... but I still don't understand why the comment was needed LoL

[r3wt]

* r3wt watches the trainwreck

No!!! not thomas!

[stereotype]

I apologize to the uber admin then.  Seriously. .... but I still don't understand why the comment was needed LoL

I wouldn't worry. Its that Dalek under your name. We all know those bad boys trump any US or Russian hardware...EXTEEERMINATE.  

[theymos]

But is there a reason that shilling and dupe accounts are not prohibited by the TOS? Is that an ideological choice?

Alt accounts are useful in some cases, and they can't be effectively banned anyway. People can always use Tor to evade detection. So banning alt accounts outright would hurt good people more than bad people.

If I happen to see someone abusing alt accounts to break forum rules or scam, I will do something about it. BCB and others know that I am often helpful in these matters. But it's impossible to catch even a majority of abusive alt accounts (especially since very few people have access to IP logs for privacy reasons), so it's best for people to stay on their guard and assume that scammers using alt accounts won't be caught.