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Out of curiosity what's been the net payout per share since inception?
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By my count: 0.00346399 BTC per share. Which means almost 70% ROI if you bought at IPO. |
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nucleon
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January 23, 2014, 08:46:52 AM |
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Out of curiosity what's been the net payout per share since inception?
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By my count: 0.00346399 BTC per share. Which means almost 70% ROI if you bought at IPO. Thanks. |
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joele
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January 27, 2014, 11:42:01 AM |
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Nice tyrion, dividend received, thanks!
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January 27, 2014, 05:03:43 PM |
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Received, thank you.
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February 02, 2014, 07:31:44 PM |
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excellent as usual  |
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joele
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February 03, 2014, 03:09:03 AM |
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Another dividend received.  |
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February 06, 2014, 04:42:21 PM |
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Which is the current market price for 1 Share?
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tyrion70 (OP)
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February 09, 2014, 06:48:37 PM |
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Div time! The numbers: Balance in wallet: 22.66353020 Still in wallet for non-confirmed shares: 1.40579112 Hosting costs: 2.755102041 Dividends: 18.50263704 Dividends per share: 0.00005526 Namecoin balance: 115.14990284 Only 678 shares left to confirm. Latest sharelist can be found here: http://pastebin.com/gu9NFmMzDividends have been sent in tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/54585341ef96a683d43e1547db782401c97d7b17fa75938a7ae8fe0cc4600609Note for next week: The minimum payment allowed in any transaction is currently 0.0000546 BTC. Any transaction containing outputs less than that amount fail. We expect to see a dividend per share lower than that amount next week and the weeks thereafter. Keeping an administration of who is still owed amounts that small is simply not worth the time and effort (its 0.04$ or 4 dollarcents). There are currently 4 shareholders with 1 share. From next week we will not be paying dividends to those shares anymore. If you want to receive dividends please ensure you have enough shares to have dividends over 0.0000546 BTC. Cheers! |
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February 09, 2014, 07:00:05 PM |
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tyrion70 (OP)
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February 09, 2014, 07:04:16 PM |
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Yeah I see it.. weird.. Was sent just like any other from bitcoind.. the other tx has 0 confirmations. Don't see the 13f8a84654acff8483f84074054ff8bf357bf3ceae08201f7342b289f5766f35 tx anywhere in the logfiles.. If anyone has any bright ideas as to how it got there.. Cheers, |
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albon
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February 09, 2014, 07:23:38 PM |
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At some point you are going to have to cut those non confirmed shares free.
They have been hanging around a bit now.
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tyrion70 (OP)
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February 09, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
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At some point you are going to have to cut those non confirmed shares free.
They have been hanging around a bit now.
True, but we're reluctant to spend other people's btc.. If it were you, what would you say if you found out your btc was gone? Yeah I see it.. weird.. Was sent just like any other from bitcoind.. the other tx has 0 confirmations. Don't see the 13f8a84654acff8483f84074054ff8bf357bf3ceae08201f7342b289f5766f35 tx anywhere in the logfiles.. If anyone has any bright ideas as to how it got there.. Cheers, It seems that the relay used there is broke. It relayed more transactions with different tx id's that are noted as double spend. https://blockchain.info/ip-address/133.242.180.170I think that client is broken or doing something it shouldn't. As far as I can see it doesn't affect the div payment. We are however still looking into it just to make sure.. EDIT: Apparently those clients are trying to "help" MtGox: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x93tf/some_irc_chatter_about_what_is_going_on_at_mtgox/cf99yac There is a design flaw in the Bitcoin protocol where its possible for a third party to take a valid transaction of yours and mutate it in a way which leaves it valid and functionally identical but with a different transaction ID. This greatly complicates writing correct wallet software, and it can be used abusively to invalidate long chains of unconfirmed transactions that depend on the non-mutant transaction (since transactions refer to each other by txid).
My current understanding and inference is that the remaining issues are because while MtGox was producing transactions of the bad form that the network won't relay anymore— some people decided to help out by 'fixing' these transactions like BC.i did for iphone users— making the signatures normal and broadcasting them. Of course, the new transactions— while functionally identical— have different TXIDs.
The difference here is that the MtGox wallet software appears to have not handled this case gracefully at all, and apparently simply wouldn't notice transactions that it "didn't make" spending its own coins.
TL;DR Some people are trying to (purposely) change txid's of transactions in the hope that their modified tx makes it in the block. Custom clients (like Gox) then think the tx didn't go through and send the btc again. No harm was done to our transaction. Even better; the "wrong tx" just got "failed status" so the double spend warning is gone as well: https://blockchain.info/tx/54585341ef96a683d43e1547db782401c97d7b17fa75938a7ae8fe0cc4600609Cheers |
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February 09, 2014, 10:51:29 PM
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There are currently 4 shareholders with 1 share. From next week we will not be paying dividends to those shares anymore. If you want to receive dividends please ensure you have enough shares to have dividends over 0.0000546BTC.
don't know if this is worth your time, but since this will become an increasing problem over time maybe it is worth some thought. Maybe you can have a bundled auction of accounts that have low dividends. That would just be one auction for you to handle, you can charge a fee for your time if necessary, and the proceeds can go to payoff the smaller accounts. This way those accounts get closed out fairly rather than having dividends disappear and it gives an opportunity for others to increase their holdings. For example, the total number of shares held in all accounts with <145 shares is 3204 (~1% of the total share count). There are 57 out of 209 accounts with < 145 shares (27%). Bundling up and buying out those accounts will stave off worrying about dust and simplify management of the group buy. One one hand, only 1% of the total number of shares are affected. On the other hand, more than one quarter of shareholders would be bought out. I think selling 134 GH/s of currently hashing, no pre-order, no hosting setup, would be an attractive offering. |
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February 09, 2014, 11:33:46 PM |
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Sorry if I missed something but is the issue with eligius resolved?
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tyrion70 (OP)
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February 10, 2014, 11:32:49 AM |
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Sorry if I missed something but is the issue with eligius resolved?
Yes, all is well on that end. There are currently 4 shareholders with 1 share. From next week we will not be paying dividends to those shares anymore. If you want to receive dividends please ensure you have enough shares to have dividends over 0.0000546BTC.
don't know if this is worth your time, but since this will become an increasing problem over time maybe it is worth some thought. Maybe you can have a bundled auction of accounts that have low dividends. That would just be one auction for you to handle, you can charge a fee for your time if necessary, and the proceeds can go to payoff the smaller accounts. This way those accounts get closed out fairly rather than having dividends disappear and it gives an opportunity for others to increase their holdings. For example, the total number of shares held in all accounts with <145 shares is 3204 (~1% of the total share count). There are 57 out of 209 accounts with < 145 shares (27%). Bundling up and buying out those accounts will stave off worrying about dust and simplify management of the group buy. One one hand, only 1% of the total number of shares are effected. On the other hand, more than one quarter of shareholders would be bought out. I think selling 134 GH/s of currently hashing, no pre-order, no hosting setup, would be an attractive offering. We'll look into it, but we're reluctant to do anything with other peoples shares. We'll try to contact the owners regarding this issue. Since its a relatively small amount we can propose a buyout of some kind. On the other hand it's easy enough for people to acquire new shares or sell theirs (thanks to the topic you started ). At current shareprice of 0.00057 (thanks to 100@0.00057 - eightcylinders) we're talking about 0.35$ per share  Cheers |
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February 10, 2014, 09:39:11 PM |
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At current shareprice of 0.00057 (thanks to 100@0.00057 - eightcylinders) we're talking about 0.35$ per share Cheers I don't know if it makes sense, but maybe you could email the shareholders who are under 100 shares and see if they want to sell to me at the .00057 price I offered for the smaller holders. I am reluctant to send PMs myself since i am pretty new here, but coming from one of you it might help clean up a bunch of the smaller shares. Ideally, if you act as escrow; I could make one payment to you and then you distribute it out pro rata to the shareholders who agree to cash out. You might offer to include the distribution that you withheld from the last time (for the 1 share holders I think are the only ones who did not get?). Let me know if you want me to do anything else to push this. I think it benefits everyone to clean it up now that difficulty is so high. |
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February 10, 2014, 09:58:44 PM |
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At current shareprice of 0.00057 (thanks to 100@0.00057 - eightcylinders) we're talking about 0.35$ per share Cheers I don't know if it makes sense, but maybe you could email the shareholders who are under 100 shares and see if they want to sell to me at the .00057 price I offered for the smaller holders. I am reluctant to send PMs myself since i am pretty new here, but coming from one of you it might help clean up a bunch of the smaller shares. Ideally, if you act as escrow; I could make one payment to you and then you distribute it out pro rata to the shareholders who agree to cash out. You might offer to include the distribution that you withheld from the last time (for the 1 share holders I think are the only ones who did not get?). Let me know if you want me to do anything else to push this. I think it benefits everyone to clean it up now that difficulty is so high. Thanks for the offer, I just sent a PM to all shareholders with less than 50 shares (because 50 was an original GB2/3 share). Lets see how many people want to make use of this offer.. Cheers, |
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