Seeking a team to develop Bitcointalk 2.0 forums (apply within)

[ottomatias]

We do not feel like competitors to bitcointalk. It is more like better bitcoin talk but also to remind from the roots of it all - bitcointalk.org. We acknowledge all the good things bitcointalk has made to Bitcoin community in general but as have been said on this forum a billion times, the community needs something different.
Bitcointalk will surely exist, I believe, for years to come because of its enormous user base. What we are trying to build is better discussion, maybe in more detailed topics. Surely we are not building marketplace etc - which are IMPORTANT but not good talk, I'd say.

[tysat]

I've been lurking around the bitcoin scene for some time already and feel you completely that we need something better than this forum. I decided to build a Discourse installation with some servers and try to make it the home for more serious bitcoin talk. Developer help is more than welcome and I suggest you come to http://dbtng.com, register and make yourself heard at the General forum.

I think that Discourse is and WILL be the best possible option for the second generation bitcointalk. It is currently still under heavy development but is stable and secure already. We will need more features and bitcoin-features for Dbtng for sure. We will set up a Github for plugin development as soon as we have the time. If you feel like participating, register on Dbtng.

Citing your competitor in your logo is not exactly the best way to promote your service

LOL

Yea that image makes the site sound super desperate.

[DiamondCardz]

I don't think that Discourse is going to be the best for bitcointalk in general. Maybe for coders and such, but only for that.

DiscussBitcoin is up, but SMF is a bitch and I'm currently trying to fix a ton of bugs, including one reoccurring bug which hates the forum.

[Bicknellski]

How can I help?

[bitspill]

Github open source design it in php/mysql [because then so many more people can contribute]

+1 I would be willing to start adding to an open source forum.

Aren't SimpleMachines, MyBB, PhpBB, Discourse, etc... open source already?

[bitspill]

Github open source design it in php/mysql [because then so many more people can contribute]

+1 I would be willing to start adding to an open source forum.

Aren't SimpleMachines, MyBB, PhpBB, Discourse, etc... open source already?

Yes but to get on the team to have your pull request merged is very hard, if not next to impossible. Also I know Discourse already has a development team so yeah. If this was to be used for these forums, I could justify the time I would spend on it by making these community better. It be a smaller group so the pull request would be merged and better testing. It is like trying to be independent developer at google, rather that just take one of those project and modify it for a niche group you get it?

I think I see where you are going but you do not have to join their teams, while they don't use Git per se you can "fork" them and have a BSMF (bitcoin simple machines forums) so the base is established and you don't have all the leg work of starting from scratch.  Although that throws in the issue of familiarizing yourself with a foreign codebase which could almost be written again by the time you learn what they already have. In any case it is a can of worms whatever direction the project heads in, someone needs to choose a direction and start digging the rest will fall into place.

(ramblings of a tired mind )

[Bicknellski]

How goes 2.0?

[Viceroy]

How goes 2.0?

I don't know, we haven't started it yet.  Are we ready to begin?

[rbonestell]

I'm interested in seeing where this goes and have 1 dire request for BitcoinTalk 2.0:

Please implement an open API for developers!

So much action in the community occurs right here on the site and the only API I could find was this one:
http://bitcointalkapi.appspot.com/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154131.0

While I appreciate the work Logik put into this solution, it never seems to be synchronized with the actual content on the forums.
This would make it easier for us (the development community) to incorporate trending news in apps and automate the posting of important information to the site.

[Dabs]

Is this like NXT or Mastercoin where we put coins into an "exodus" address so that in the genesis block we have our share? If so, let me know if you think I qualify to be a mod or staff or whatever in the new forum. (But I don't have coins, hhehehehe.)

[San1ty]

Ugh, Develop something new based on PHP? Ok nothing to see here.

[Viceroy]

Bump

[devthedev]

Bump

Hey Viceroy.

[Initscri]

Github open source design it in php/mysql [because then so many more people can contribute]

Do you mean open-sourcing the development of the forum, allowing for multiple people to create the forum (using MyBB/SMF/etc...) and then closing the source once production begins; or actually creating a new forum software?

Github open source design it in php/mysql [because then so many more people can contribute]

+1 I would be willing to start adding to an open source forum.

Aren't SimpleMachines, MyBB, PhpBB, Discourse, etc... open source already?

Yes but to get on the team to have your pull request merged is very hard, if not next to impossible. Also I know Discourse already has a development team so yeah. If this was to be used for these forums, I could justify the time I would spend on it by making these community better. It be a smaller group so the pull request would be merged and better testing. It is like trying to be independent developer at google, rather that just take one of those project and modify it for a niche group you get it?

I think I see where you are going but you do not have to join their teams, while they don't use Git per se you can "fork" them and have a BSMF (bitcoin simple machines forums) so the base is established and you don't have all the leg work of starting from scratch.  Although that throws in the issue of familiarizing yourself with a foreign codebase which could almost be written again by the time you learn what they already have. In any case it is a can of worms whatever direction the project heads in, someone needs to choose a direction and start digging the rest will fall into place.

(ramblings of a tired mind )

You can fork one of them, but you always have to keep somewhat up on their fork cause bugs and security patches. This would limit really some of the direction the project can go. Also modifying that code could open new bugs. It is hard thing to choose to start from nothing or from a codebase. Granted SMF is pretty secure, but just a lot of bloat.

Why would you want to reinvent the wheel when you can use MyBB or SMF... forum software that has proven to be stable and powers huge communities including BitcoinTalk?

I am asking not out of sarcasm, but out of questioning...

Is there something that the newly developed forum would do better than current solutions?
What would the forum do greater, or focus on a larger scale, that would make the forum software better in general or for certain niches?

Maybe if we developed it with Python it wouldn't be such a bad idea, but there are so many PHP forums out and there have been for many. I'm sincerely wondering what the point is.

[TheFiendishOne]

A new forum is definitely needed.  This place is a dump, IMO (no offense to legit, honest members, no seriously, i mean no offense.  You legit, honest, professional members should not be offended by this post, and will probably agree) and the fact that this was one of the very first forums I came across when I was introduced to bitcoin, means that this forum should be representing bitcoin better and instead is representing bitcoin as a whole very poorly.  It definitely lacks professionalism on a massive scale. Scammers and hackers everywhere apparently, there is clearly illegal activity going on here, and the poll suggests it even more.  If this forum is allowing illegal activities I'm pretty much done coming here effective immediately.  While there is a lot of positive going on here, there's a lot of dirt.  Definitely not intending to offend anyone, but the truth is the truth, and that is the vibe I got from this forum pretty much as soon as I joined it.  I've made a few posts here, and I regret it quite honestly.  Not because I didn't get a positive outcome from my posts, but mostly due to the amount of dishonesty going on around here.  At first glance, coming to this forum tells an average user that bitcoin is a complete waste of time.  As for the demeanor of certain members of this community... well, there's nothing to say.  Pick a post, and read it.  These members are everywhere.  The more I read some of the conversations that go on here, the less I want to visit this forum.  Silk Road had non-illegal activity going on there, and the innocent legit members of silk road got severely screwed by the illegal activity involved around silk road.  This concept, IMO, is no different for this website, whether the website is directly involved in such activities or not.  It shows a major flaw in the system, and if the mods/owners of this site don't care about the illegal activities that its members are taking part in, then this site is going to either go down quick, or be tainted for any positive bitcoin development in the future.  The new silk road of bitcoin?  Yeah I'm out of here.

If I get any sort of response like "Stop visiting if you dont like it GTFO noob, why are u here if u dont want to visit"  etc etc is only proving my point.

Thank you and have a great day.

[seller]

If I get any sort of response like "Stop visiting if you dont like it GTFO noob, why are u here if u dont want to visit"  etc etc is only proving my point.

Thank you and have a great day.

Check this post out... this is EXACTLY the asshole problem we have.  Here's a perfectly legitimate request by a member who asks that a developer stop posting in an 800 page 4 year old thread and make a new thread.  The response?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28402.msg8036572#msg8036572

What ever happened to common courtesy.  Is politeness asking too much?

[Ente]

Whatever it was, the post was deleted.

Ente