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[Joneskay]

From $1600 to $46 in two weeks? Was this because of the current crash or is this another bitConnect?

how can you know the value of BCA if they are not on sale already

You can trade futures on Yobit https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-atom/#markets

Basically if you had Bitcoin on Yobit exchange before the fork block you would get 1 BTC + 1 BCA. There are risks involved with futures, main one being using a dodgy exchange which may run off with your funds, Yobit does look dodgy so I would not trust them. The other risk is buying, if the project gets abandoned then anyone who bought the BCA futures will get nothing. This is how it worked for a previous fork of Segwit2X (which didn't launch in time) https://www.bitfinex.com/legal/cst/segwit2x - It maybe different for other forks though as Segwit2X was supposed to replace the current Bitcoin.

and do you know what is their value then?

[heinemannplus]

If I buy some tokens in Yobit they don't have value already, do they?

[musta5a]

If I buy some tokens in Yobit they don't have value already, do they?

Value is determined by many factors. In the case of bca it is determined by how much are other Yobit users willing to pay for it for now. So as long as you are speaking of financial value, yes it has value. If you find value in sending fast transactions, it doesn’t have value yet as it can’t be transferred unless the nodes are made public.

[MasterQ]

If I buy some tokens in Yobit they don't have value already, do they?

You wont actually be able to use them until the mainnet is launched. Buying futures is a risk mentioned above but if you think BCA will be worth more than $42 once the mainnet is launched then go for it. Personally I think the price will continue to go down just like every other fork but who knows. The only good thing I can say about the $42 price on Yobit is their daily volume is less than $50,000 so if it was to get listed on more/bigger exchanges I could defiantly see the price going back above $100.

[Zontop]

That is issue with Yobit from start since they first started to trade IOU of other projects in past. They were not allowing deposits and in mysterious way were keep dragging the time. Buying any forked of Bitcoin or IOU on Yobit specially isn't wise unless you have made your mind to keep trading them on platform.

[xlcus]

No full node wallet yet??
 

[Ned Kelly]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

[Biomech]

You are not a fool if your intent is just to speculate and make some money, which most people will do, not knowing/ignoring the fact that the forks are taking you for idiots and using you to make much more money

So at a certain point of time this behavior should stop, I think

Another problem is that it becomes more and more risky and as we saw getting free coins leaded many to lose everything, not talking about some possible side effects of replay attacks that I posted above, which is a new thing here given the number of forks

And yes, most of those forks are that easy, as I wrote let's see in 6 months what they have added (smart contracts, super hash algorithm, super proof of something, 1TB block size, 1 tx/ms, etc)

See their roadmaps (nothing is in there right now, except few lines modification of bitcoin core code), should you want to launch a fork I can help sending you my user guide

Regarding my tool I should encourage everybody to continue this mess instead, but no, thanks for your comment

I actually hope they do follow through, but I have to agree with you. The forking itself should not be that difficult, and having AT LEAST THAT at launch on github makes sense. If they're trying to have the various additional features in place  before release, then they're turning down the eager assistance of the community, which does not make sense.

The only two things that make sense to me for waiting are, one, the code didn't work as expected and they're scratching their heads in embarassment and puzzlement. That's the benign one, and the one I'm hoping for.

Two, they have the mainnet going, now, and are mining the hell out of it in lieu of a premine. Doesn't take much to mine a chain with only three or four machines attached...

As for that guide, PM me. I'd be interested to learn A few people on this forum have claimed I'm a cloner for years. I've yet to make them not liars. Maybe it's time.

The guide does not exist in fact but thinking to write something about it (but it will be a parody), now you can see this again https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827163.msg29326000#msg29326000 (and see the replay protection story too, if it's not there you can claim coins for a fork but then other coins can be moved without you knowing it)

And look at https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions/blob/master/tx.js#L77-L253

As you can see adding a coin in the tool is just a matter of modifying ~10 parameters

I am simplifying a bit here, sometimes it's more complicate, the tool is complex but has been designed to allow to add coins easily (and be used easily)

Then you understand the global idea: you modify those parameters in bitcoin core code and you have a fork

There are no sensitive info here and I have already asked two or three times that Atom (and other forks) provide that information (+ a real transaction so I can check that everything is correct)

The fact that they don't do it does not help trusting them, since there are no technical difficulties, it's quite trivial

And if they premine they are doing it at the lowest difficulty, then it's easy, and if they are still syncing, then...

In short I don't see any "excuse" for them for not releasing the requested info at least and the code

Thanks for the info! I'm here to learn, more than anything else. I figured the actual forking was relatively trivial, and I will be reading up on the info you linked there. I'm fairly serious about creating a crypto, but I don't know if I"m serious enough to try to develop one. My reason(s) for doing it are mostly curiosity. I want to see if I can do it successfully

My secondary reasons is I can tell Spoetnik that he accidentally told the truth, even though retroactively. According to him, I'm Shakezulu. The only good thing about that old conversation is that prior to that, I'd not heard of the aforementioned gentleman, and I got to read some very interesting things

It's rare that I get useful replies to coding questions anymore. Enjoy the merit

[hefo73]

I just got kicked out of their Telegram channel because I asked them the ETA of releasing their source code.
Not sure why are they so afraid of answering questions or even revealing names of the members working in their team when everything behind the scene is legit?

can we expect a response from BitcoinAtom_support, or not?
I would also like to know some more details.
So when will we get an answer?

Please tell me what exactly would you like to know, I'll do my best to answer.

Well, for research, i would like to know who is in the Team?
i can not find Infos on https://bitcoinatom.io/
 

the member of the team are in their site with photo and name

Sorry, i can not find it, and i klicked all available links @ https://bitcoinatom.io/
could you provide a link for me!
would be really great!

[bitcoinman93]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

[rokieinvest]

i can buy tokens in YObit but by the moment i can't use them is that what are you saying?

[Biomech]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

...yeah....

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Try like 2011, maybe earlier. Novacoin. Peercoin. Kick it up to 2013... TEK, SYNC, TECH, FIRE, TRK,...... I could go to hundreds. Hybrid POS/POW is NOT NEW NEWS

I'm hoping you misunderstood, because if that's what they said, well, I'll be calling shenanigans. It's really beginning to look like this one's just another cash grab.

[Biomech]

i can buy tokens in YObit but by the moment i can't use them is that what are you saying?

They're not tokens.

They're futures contracts.

They are a promise to deliver x number of BCA at Y price when/if the coins become available.

[superbtc4376]

i can buy tokens in YObit but by the moment i can't use them is that what are you saying?

They're not tokens.

They're futures contracts.

They are a promise to deliver x number of BCA at Y price when/if the coins become available.

Crypto is a sketchy IMO. Lots of bullshit. Why the hell would someone pay for a future contract on an unreleased item with no product info. The price is based on conjecture in message boards and our disappointment.

[MasterQ]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

So they didn't code and test this before announcing the project? Seems kinda unprofessional.

[ATOMICSWAP]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

So they didn't code and test this before announcing the project? Seems kinda unprofessional.

Of course we tested, and continuing to test, and will release all of the source code soon - it's extremely difficult to do what we did, as it's not just some fork, it's basically an exchange built into the protocol level of bitcoin - nobody has ever attempted such a thing before, it is very technologically difficult.

[DocSnyd3r]

LOL Litecoin did this and it already works.

[superbtc4376]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

So they didn't code and test this before announcing the project? Seems kinda unprofessional.

Of course we tested, and continuing to test, and will release all of the source code soon - it's extremely difficult to do what we did, as it's not just some fork, it's basically an exchange built into the protocol level of bitcoin - nobody has ever attempted such a thing before, it is very technologically difficult.

Can you explain what you mean by 'exchange built in' I don't know what you mean by exchange

[Joneskay]

LOL Litecoin did this and it already works.

do you think this token will success?

[ATOMICSWAP]

No full node wallet yet??
 

Should be ready by February 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2515675.msg29331612#msg29331612

Based on what has been told in their telegram group i hope even for sooner release. I guess this Sunday/Monday make sense. The price of bca has been decreasing because of insecurity over the source and wallets release so I hope devs will bring an end to that saga. I guess their hybrid consensus is what causes the delay, it's a new thing to bitcoin code therefore they might be facing some last time difficulties to launch. It's normal that delays occur, I see no point to panic. Better to wait now and make conclusions later

So they didn't code and test this before announcing the project? Seems kinda unprofessional.

Of course we tested, and continuing to test, and will release all of the source code soon - it's extremely difficult to do what we did, as it's not just some fork, it's basically an exchange built into the protocol level of bitcoin - nobody has ever attempted such a thing before, it is very technologically difficult.

Can you explain what you mean by 'exchange built in' I don't know what you mean by exchange

Please read the first post in this thread, regarding Atomic Swaps.