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August 28, 2013, 08:27:22 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2013, 09:05:16 AM by escrow.ms
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Dude listen his site is not fucking fair, there are more chances of lossing even at 50%. I have tested it many many times.
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August 28, 2013, 08:32:08 AM
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Dude listen his site is not fucking fair, there are more chances of lossing even at 50%. I have tested it many many times.

1.http://gyazo.com/be22899f89111657855448d9987f1516 1/6
2. http://gyazo.com/77d603afd1d1f72b28adb704a835ad76 4/6
3. http://gyazo.com/174a54711ec154188b331fd10afe5b35 3/7
4. http://gyazo.com/361d77f5e28bf5ee4eb2a110e849a629 1/9


You've gotta be taking the piss..
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August 28, 2013, 08:35:58 AM
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Dude listen his site is not fucking fair, there are more chances of lossing even at 50%. I have tested it many many times.

1.http://gyazo.com/be22899f89111657855448d9987f1516 1/6
2. http://gyazo.com/77d603afd1d1f72b28adb704a835ad76 4/6
3. http://gyazo.com/174a54711ec154188b331fd10afe5b35 3/7
4. http://gyazo.com/361d77f5e28bf5ee4eb2a110e849a629 1/9


You've gotta be taking the piss..
No you gotta stop sucking stunna's dick

Current: http://gyazo.com/f71fe9cced3bf9757b7dbb5e65d0319c 2/8
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August 28, 2013, 08:38:52 AM
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Those screenshots prove nothing. Possibly you had 10 wins in a row before that, so these selective insights are not proving your point and only make you look ridiculous.

EDIT: Also I see that the clientseed now autochanges with a nonce at the end.

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August 28, 2013, 08:41:04 AM
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Those screenshots prove nothing. Possibly you had 10 wins in a row before that, so these selective insights are not proving your point and only make you look ridiculous.

EDIT: Also I see that the clientseed now autochanges with a nonce at the end.

Ask stunna to provide all my bet's history and post here all these bets.
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August 28, 2013, 08:51:10 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2013, 09:22:06 AM by escrow.ms
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Results:
2/8
3/7
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4/6
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With Bet id:






Last bet is 1st on every second image.
Feel free to verify them, i did not changed client seed nor anything else.


Now if anyone comes and says It's Provably Fair. I have one word for them which is " Fuck you"
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August 28, 2013, 08:56:34 AM
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My old PD account which had 1000+ rolls, was 70-75% luck. Tell me thats realistic? Its not. Why won't Stunna change it to doog's and scrat's system, oh hm wonder why...so many accusations ONLY against primedice, no other dice site. Hm...should I change it since I'm an honest guy to make my customers 100% sure I am not cheating them, yeah it would be smart to do this.

What Stunna does:
"Your just mad you lost some bitcoins in a short period of time to my site. You got unlucky. Better luck next time."
Doesn't mention ANYTHING of why he/she won't change the client, why its not just one person complaining ITS MANY and ALMOST everyone says yeah primedice the rolls are harsh there.


But oh no, as a casino owner who has seemingly been all nice to everyone, no one could believe he, the nice man who gives out .0001 BTC to everyone, would be cheating us!

Its a complete act.

What an honest casino owner would do:
Change to the system that has no way of being accused of being not 100% provably fair. This would completely destroy all allegations and make those who accused you even feel bad for you possibly!

Has Stunna does this? Heck no. Not even a mention of it. Continue with the free .0001 BTC while I make roughly 3-5% of all your bets! And for those betting large, I'll get you quick enough  Wink


Also, for those who have doubts, honest to god, look at the high rollers tab on PD2. ALMOST ALWAYS the "luck" favors the house. Right now I'm seeing about 65% of the 49.5% losing on that tab right now. Hmmm no surprise there. Check it often and record it. You'll see the real "luck" the site has.

When PD2 opened there had been 87000 BTC wagered so far. The site's bankroll was 1800 BTC. Since then there has been 7,000 BTC wagered (now sitting at a total of 94000 BTC wagered), and the current bankroll of the site is 2174. Equaling a 374 BTC profit in 7,000 BTC wagered for a mere house earnings of over 5.3% of bets so far! Hmmm but wait shouldn't this be close to 1%?! Yup, it should be.

So yeah I'm done my rant. Continue on though, and lose your bitcoins faster then any other site. But don't worry, he'll still put on that charming attitude and give out free bitcents with trivia and his faucet.

Sorry but I'm not falling for it.

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August 28, 2013, 09:09:04 AM
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He already said how the big increase of the bankroll came. Of course that is impossible for us to verify if it's the truth.

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August 28, 2013, 09:09:44 AM
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I am done with his bullshit, I have given enough proof and he is a scammer in my eyes.

His site is rigged and there are very low chance of winning at <50 (even at 50%)
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August 28, 2013, 09:10:22 AM
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Also to Stunna personally,

This anger I have towards isn't over my coins lost, hell if that was the case I'd be pissed off wanting to beat the hell out of Dooglus and Just-Dice having lost over 40 BTC to Just-Dice. You want to know what makes me mad and has me this angered? A con man, a really good one. He uses his faucet, trivia and nice attitude to basically make people think theres no way such a man could be deceiving us and rigging our rolls. But to me its 100% what is happening. AND I HATE SCAMMERS / CON MEN. WITH A BURNING PASSION. So yes thats why I'm quite mad, feel free to comment and tell the world how I lost about 10 coins cause I truly don't care. What I do care about is at least not holding back because of your niceness or whatever.
You can call this rude all you want, but I see right thru you and your deceiving practices.

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August 28, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
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He already said how the big increase of the bankroll came. Of course that is impossible for us to verify if it's the truth.
No vlees, he purchased more BTC BEFORE PD2. Since PD2 the site has seen a profit of 374 BTC over a period of 7000 BTC wagered. This is 5.3%.

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August 28, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
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Results:
3/7
3/7
4/6
2/8

With Bet id:





Last bet is 1st on every second image.
Feel free to verify them, i did not changed client seed nor anything else.


Now if anyone comes and says It's Provably Fair. I have one word for them which is " Fuck you"

4 more losses than wins. You have no idea of math. The chance of that happening is not rare at all.
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August 28, 2013, 09:23:35 AM
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4 more losses than wins. You have no idea of math. The chance of that happening is not rare at all.

You fucking prick how about you fuck off from here or see all screenshot and admit that primedice is a scam.

I am going to make a scam report on primedice now.

enough is enough.
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August 28, 2013, 09:37:56 AM
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Scam report
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282822.new#new

@Zaih your fake trust rating on me shows how much stupid and immature you are.



I told you several times it's none of your fucking business, don't put your ass between me and stunna.

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August 28, 2013, 09:41:47 AM
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And I just realized I'm on the default trust list. Well, that's a surprise.
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August 28, 2013, 09:46:26 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2013, 10:23:27 AM by Stunna
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Alright first off, we'll be updating our provably fair to something very similar to just-dice as long as dooglus doesn't mind. We've been planning to regardless. I will update when this is implemented.

I'm disappointed that this has dragged out this far and the level of doubt EMS/KOS have over this.


Stats on EMS, I don't really think you're worth arguing with. Someone much wiser than myself once told me not to argue with fools because when you do, nobody will know who the fool is. I'd prefer to let the numbers do the talking.

These stats belong to EMS, paints a bit of a different picture.
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User ID: 470
Average Roll: 51.53459
>=50: 527
<50: 473


Code:
another user has placed 300k+ dust bets
User ID: 2579
Average Roll: 49.975924789323
>=50: 163390
<50: 163771


Another random sample
Code:
User ID: 2057
Average Roll: 50.129199850108
>=50: 71116
<50: 70320

Last 500k rolls on PD
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Average Roll: 49.9685312
>=50: 249956
<50: 250044


Kingofsports stats

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User ID: 1052
Average Roll: 51.302156862745
>=50: 344
<50: 319

If anyone wants to check this data themselves our dev can arrange to post all bets. Or you can type u:userid#  in the chat to generate a stat popup. I have absolutely nothing to hide and will provide more stats if desired.

This all goes without saying that I've reached out to ems, verified his roll for him and he is unhappy. At the end of the day he's convinced that I'm an evil person bent on scamming him for $50.

Kingofsports continues to miss on his points, he keeps pointing towards the increasing bank. Primedice's bankroll includes investments from four people in total, as each of us continue to purchase bitcoins it increases. I've also sent KoS a Pm further rebutting his point which I deemed was not appropriate to share here.


When people lose they always want someone or something to blame and unfortunately this is what we are witnessing here. I have no objection to improving provably fair and have been planning to after Dabs/Zaih sent me some Pm's concerning it.


As far as I'm concerned this argument never even began. I do take some fault in this situation as I should have been more pro-active with making this change sooner, it was never a priority to me until now. I hope I've made my point, on that note it is terribly late and I need to get some rest, will be back tomorrow.


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August 28, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
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And I just realized I'm on the default trust list. Well, that's a surprise.

I do not care even if you are on default trust list. People like you have no fucking value in my eyes or the people who trust me. Believe me your feedback means shit to me and it just proves that you both are doing scam together here through primedice.

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August 28, 2013, 09:50:43 AM
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Alright first off, we'll be updating our provably fair to something very similar to just-dice as long as dooglus doesn't mind. We've been planning to regardless. I will update when this is implemented.

I'm disappointed that this has dragged out this far and the level of doubt EMS/KOS have over this.


Stats on EMS, I don't really think you're worth arguing with. Someone much wiser than myself once told me not to argue with fools because when you do, nobody will know who the fool is. I'd prefer to let the numbers do the talking.

These stats belong to EMS, paints a bit of a different picture.
Code:
User ID: 470
Average Roll: 51.53459
>=50: 527
<50: 473


Code:
another user has placed 300k+ dust bets
User ID: 2579
Average Roll: 49.975924789323
>=50: 163390
<50: 163771


Another random sample
Code:
User ID: 2057
Average Roll: 50.129199850108
>=50: 71116
<50: 70320

Last 500k rolls on PD
Code:

Average Roll: 49.9685312
>=50: 249956
<50: 250044

This all goes without saying that I've reached out to ems, verified his roll for him and he is unhappy. At the end of the day he's convinced that I'm an evil person bent on scamming him for $50.

Kingofsports continues to miss on his points, he keeps pointing towards the increasing bank. Primedice's bankroll includes investments from four people in total, as each of us continue to purchase bitcoins it increases.


When people lose they always want someone or something to blame and unfortunately this is what we are witnessing here. I have no objection to improving provably fair and have been planning to after Dabs/Zaih sent me some Pm's concerning it.


As far as I'm concerned this argument never even began.




Don't show me stats see screenshots and tell me why there are very low chances of winning at <50.
Also I was not doing argue. your guy Zaih keept abusing me.
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August 28, 2013, 09:59:12 AM
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Alright first off, we'll be updating our provably fair to something very similar to just-dice as long as dooglus doesn't mind. We've been planning to regardless. I will update when this is implemented.

I'm disappointed that this has dragged out this far and the level of doubt EMS/KOS have over this.


Stats on EMS, I don't really think you're worth arguing with. Someone much wiser than myself once told me not to argue with fools because when you do, nobody will know who the fool is. I'd prefer to let the numbers do the talking.

These stats belong to EMS, paints a bit of a different picture.
Code:
User ID: 470
Average Roll: 51.53459
>=50: 527
<50: 473


Code:
another user has placed 300k+ dust bets
User ID: 2579
Average Roll: 49.975924789323
>=50: 163390
<50: 163771


Another random sample
Code:
User ID: 2057
Average Roll: 50.129199850108
>=50: 71116
<50: 70320

Last 500k rolls on PD
Code:

Average Roll: 49.9685312
>=50: 249956
<50: 250044

This all goes without saying that I've reached out to ems, verified his roll for him and he is unhappy. At the end of the day he's convinced that I'm an evil person bent on scamming him for $50.

Kingofsports continues to miss on his points, he keeps pointing towards the increasing bank. Primedice's bankroll includes investments from four people in total, as each of us continue to purchase bitcoins it increases.


When people lose they always want someone or something to blame and unfortunately this is what we are witnessing here. I have no objection to improving provably fair and have been planning to after Dabs/Zaih sent me some Pm's concerning it.


As far as I'm concerned this argument never even began.




Don't show me stats see screenshots and tell me why there are very low chances of winning at <50.
Also I was not doing argue. your guy Zaih keept abusing me.

Simply inverse the roll then? God you're ignorant.
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August 28, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
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And I just realized I'm on the default trust list. Well, that's a surprise.

I do not care even if you are on default trust list. People like you have no fucking value in my eyes or the people who trust me. Believe me your feedback means shit to me and it just proves that you both are doing scam together here through primedice.



Kinda serves you right for being the 'boy who cried scam'

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