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Author Topic: [ANN] [XDAG] Community Driven - First Mineable DAG | CPU Mining  (Read 75239 times)
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March 02, 2018, 12:53:01 PM
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Did the original dev of  disappear?Who is the development now?XDAG is sure to be a new project for the next generation.Because there is no block efficiency, the operation efficiency has been greatly improved.

What is xdag providing compared to other coins? Developer left his own project and nobody knows to understand his code. Only to translate the code and doing small things like website design doensn't mean anything. In my opinion xdag it's not worth to be mined or to hold further. Holding means losing money as there are many other coins which are outperforming last days.
Every developer needs some time to understand the code and get familiar with the project when it is being handed over to him. We can't expect any new developer to have exactly the same mindset / knowledge about the code as cheatoshin0 had instantly, and yes the code is complex, but I believe it will be simplified in the future, and improved, and the fact that devs are committing translated comments, code style changes etc means at least they are LOOKING at the code, and analysing it, which is a great thing.

well said.

by the way.. your pool is excellent since it moved to the new server. great work!
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March 02, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
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Thank you, happy about it too! ;-)

https://xdag.org - reliable World-Wide XDAG mining pool with automatic failover and extra mining rewards!
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March 03, 2018, 02:42:28 AM
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People are begging for bullshit and can't wait to be scammed.
Ok, so we have now 7 fulltime developers and in negotiations with a major UK bank.
Now it is worth mining. Wink
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March 03, 2018, 04:26:15 AM
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xdag.corpopool.com:443 is back online!

Update to T13.895 completed.

I reset the charts to correctly show new Net/Pool Hash calculations presented in T13.895

New network hashrate chart: http://dagger.corpopool.com/stats/

Enjoy!
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March 03, 2018, 07:07:38 AM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.

it is a good setting which enhances community trust.

just a thought.
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March 03, 2018, 07:45:15 AM
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Ok, so we have now 7 fulltime developers and in negotiations with a major UK bank.
There are no full-time developers...

I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.
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March 03, 2018, 09:13:55 AM
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I don't understand why people panic. This project is ideal for a long-term period. Unfortunately, I don't have video cards for mining. But I have some coins that I got in the first days of mining.

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March 03, 2018, 09:22:08 AM
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Did the original dev of  disappear?Who is the development now?XDAG is sure to be a new project for the next generation.Because there is no block efficiency, the operation efficiency has been greatly improved.

What is xdag providing compared to other coins? Developer left his own project and nobody knows to understand his code. Only to translate the code and doing small things like website design doensn't mean anything. In my opinion xdag it's not worth to be mined or to hold further. Holding means losing money as there are many other coins which are outperforming last days.
Every developer needs some time to understand the code and get familiar with the project when it is being handed over to him. We can't expect any new developer to have exactly the same mindset / knowledge about the code as cheatoshin0 had instantly, and yes the code is complex, but I believe it will be simplified in the future, and improved, and the fact that devs are committing translated comments, code style changes etc means at least they are LOOKING at the code, and analysing it, which is a great thing.

If XDAG was all about code that nobody else doesn't understand, it would mean that the code is most likely not that well written. Imagine Vitalik and his people wrote code that nobody understands. If these guys are good coders they won't only understand the current code base, but they would also be able to fix its flaws assuming that they are interested in putting in the effort.

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March 03, 2018, 10:54:57 AM
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Did the original dev of  disappear?Who is the development now?XDAG is sure to be a new project for the next generation.Because there is no block efficiency, the operation efficiency has been greatly improved.

What is xdag providing compared to other coins? Developer left his own project and nobody knows to understand his code. Only to translate the code and doing small things like website design doensn't mean anything. In my opinion xdag it's not worth to be mined or to hold further. Holding means losing money as there are many other coins which are outperforming last days.
Every developer needs some time to understand the code and get familiar with the project when it is being handed over to him. We can't expect any new developer to have exactly the same mindset / knowledge about the code as cheatoshin0 had instantly, and yes the code is complex, but I believe it will be simplified in the future, and improved, and the fact that devs are committing translated comments, code style changes etc means at least they are LOOKING at the code, and analysing it, which is a great thing.

If XDAG was all about code that nobody else doesn't understand, it would mean that the code is most likely not that well written. Imagine Vitalik and his people wrote code that nobody understands. If these guys are good coders they won't only understand the current code base, but they would also be able to fix its flaws assuming that they are interested in putting in the effort.
Imagine Vitalik and his people?Huh Well written code??? DAO hack, oh no. Parity hack, oh no.  Everybody understands.
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March 03, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
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If XDAG was all about code that nobody else doesn't understand, it would mean that the code is most likely not that well written. Imagine Vitalik and his people wrote code that nobody understands. If these guys are good coders they won't only understand the current code base, but they would also be able to fix its flaws assuming that they are interested in putting in the effort.

I'm somewhat familiar with XDAG codebase. Aesthetically, the code is more or less fine (by standards of such altcoins anyway). I'd compare it to very very early nano circa 2014-2015 (even before raiblocks, when it was called mucoin). But Nano clearly has came a long way since then.

I like XDAG very much for it is in quite compact written C and fairly lightweight. But there's also a lot to trash on.

From formal perspective the biggest issue is that XDAG makes some unorthodox assumptions - depending on synchronized real time to determine state transitions; edges of which are fuzzy between peers. It has undefined efficiency and security bounds, which again, is very similiar to Nano. It also suffers from "let's make it DAG for the sake of being DAG".

As it is now, the coin would work just as well with ordinary blockchain algorithm (=heaviest chain, drop orphans). Because in XDAG, once graph tip is selected for the period, all the "weak" parts of the DAG are orphaned. This is precisely what you must not do for DAG to work - the point is to establish pairwise or total ordering, but otherwise you always keep the whole of the graph - in DAGs, you never "cancel" any transaction, ever. Because if you do, you just semantically end up with blockchain, and a more complex one than it needs to be.

Since the original developer dropped the coin, there are basically 2 things that can happen:

1) Big miner or early speculator, or both happens to be a coder or hires one, and starts improving the code (because he has a big stake in it). This has not really happened atm, all changes on github I see are cosmetic.
2) Someone else comes along, forks the code (think what happened to cryptonote).

It's true that clinging to the coin now has no strong economic basis, unless it becomes clear that 1) or 2) is the case.

IMO, improving this coin would amount to a rather drastic hard fork and complete rewrite of how consensus is done (to get the benefit of dag semantics). I'm not sure if its yet worth it to do that, but keep in mind that consensus rules generally can't be "incrementally improved", and this is what really needs fixing in XDAG.

It could be also easier to just start from scratch. Personally I'll wait and see if 1) or 2) is going to happen first.
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March 03, 2018, 08:03:51 PM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
^^ what he said ^^.. but why??
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March 03, 2018, 08:06:47 PM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
^^ what he said ^^.. but why??
So that the network can properly scale.

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March 04, 2018, 01:08:05 AM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
^^ what he said ^^.. but why??
So that the network can properly scale.

And to be decentralized
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March 04, 2018, 02:45:55 AM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
^^ what he said ^^.. but why??
So that the network can properly scale.

And to be decentralized

OK

I see the logic with the scaling issue, if pool ops were unrestricted in setting up XDAG pools, we would perhaps see more people mining. However the decentralisation isn't relative to the number of pools... anyone can still mine and collect XDAG... I don't see the whitelisting as centralisation of the coin, more of a bringing-together of the community. We all discuss things here and on the chat channels, and everyone knows where to go to find info, without the whitelisting, is it still possible to insist that a pool donates to the community fund?
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March 04, 2018, 04:03:33 AM
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I don't think that whitelisting should be removed.
The whitelisting must be removed.

but why?
^^ what he said ^^.. but why??
So that the network can properly scale.

And to be decentralized

OK

I see the logic with the scaling issue, if pool ops were unrestricted in setting up XDAG pools, we would perhaps see more people mining. However the decentralisation isn't relative to the number of pools... anyone can still mine and collect XDAG... I don't see the whitelisting as centralisation of the coin, more of a bringing-together of the community. We all discuss things here and on the chat channels, and everyone knows where to go to find info, without the whitelisting, is it still possible to insist that a pool donates to the community fund?

You are thinking in a logic of current state: node and pool is the same. If i'm not mistaken, the plan is to create two different daemons, the nodes should always be free to set up for anyone.
The pools can work differently, or not. In my opinion, pools donations to the community should not be mandatory, but the official channels should only  support and promote the ones that contribute to the community fund and white-list them as trusted.

edit for disclaimer: I'm a pool co-owner and I don't like the fact people come to me asking for help to get whitelisted. That process is centralized and it should't be.   
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March 04, 2018, 04:07:43 AM
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i think there is important reason why dev  have a white-list for  nodes ,i am not programmer dont know why in source code ,but i think there must be some reason when dev design this coin.
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March 04, 2018, 07:07:41 AM
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Go to page 24. There is other post you see quote from Cheatoshin who deleted his posts
"This is fail start again but there will be no another starts. This is finish if all these full nodes do not go away. Please, say to him via telegram and other channels."
Next day the developer limited full nodes to 20 , because with too many nodes the network would not syncronize.
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March 04, 2018, 09:29:01 AM
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How to mine this? Links are dead from the first page... Exchange? Wallet, Pool? Anything?
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March 04, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
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Hello,

I mine on xdagpool.com and have >900mh.
But in the pool statistic there is only 300mh...
Why???
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