Avalon 8 official specs released

[CM Australia]

We still need more manufacturers.

I look forward to that day!

[Mursu]

Bitmain have just shown how that price point is acceptable to consumers by selling out so quickly.

I am pretty sure this was exactly the impression they wanted to give by selling out fast for whatever reason 

[Flying Hellfish]

 I expect the 821 to end up being ballpark $3000, possibly as LOW as $2500, based on current S9 pricing.
 Caanan/Avalon has always had a price premium compared to whatever Bitmain product they're closest too, unless they were a TON lower on hashrate, and I don't see them pricing the 821 much if ANY lower than S9 since they're fairly close on hashrate and efficiency.
 They might MATCH the price of the S9 due to the hashrate difference, but they won't go lower - Bitmain will tolerate "same price" most likely because they can point at the higher hashrate AND slightly better efficiency, but a lower price would probably prompt a price war.

I mean they told us how they were formulating the price in the press release.  When I plug "my opinion of the numbers" into their "formula" (which by the way their formula makes perfect business sense) I come up with a ballpark of $3500 USD at the retail/disty level.  I see maybe 3k/3.25k for bulk 60 unit pallets.  

If coin price doesn't shrink to much farther, from what I am reading in their release that number makes sense.  And honestly it will sell out FAST even at $3500, just look at the comments in some of the threads and how the newbs will pay "anything for them".  If we believe they have a 10x supply/demand problem, coin price stabilizes high, they consider spot pricing of gear then $3500 would be my starting point!

We're talking about millions of dollars in sales if these companies are not employing professional sales people they are making a huge mistake.  If they are the price is well thought out and internal numbers are analyzed and extrapolated to project a multitude of scenarios.  This information will give them the best possible chance to maximize profits.  When a professional sales exec has a 10x supply/demand ratio skew he is having a wet dream, trust me!  He/She will make the most of it if he/she is any fucking good!

If coin price stays high expect 3k to be the best possible scenario.  If coin prices go up whoa watch out, 4k will sound cheap. IMO

[CM Australia]

Bitmain have just shown how that price point is acceptable to consumers by selling out so quickly.

I am pretty sure this was exactly the impression they wanted to give by selling out fast for whatever reason 

I think your right.

[livfreely]

Will the Controller for Avalon Miner 741 work with the 821 and Will you be able to hook up an A8 to an existing A7?

At this point no one knows for sure.  The manufacturer has not stated anything about cross compatibility with their other platforms. 

[mikez_nj]

Bitmain have just shown how that price point is acceptable to consumers by selling out so quickly.

I am pretty sure this was exactly the impression they wanted to give by selling out fast for whatever reason 

I don't know, I haven't been in the mining game as long as some of you, but they didn't seem to sell out fast to me. 

A few months ago, when they released a new batch of any miner, their website ground to a halt, and you could sit there refreshing for 1-2 hours, not actually add anything to your cart, and it would be sold out by the time the website was actually responding. The past few batches sit around for hours and hours (and sometimes days/weeks).

And while that price point might be acceptable, the 821 isn't the S9. The S9 has it beat on Watt/TH (by a little) and Price/TH (by a LOT) if they price it the same as the S9... for a machine with 20% less output. Honestly, if the 821 is over $2200, I would be shocked. 

[dlezama]

Bitmain have just shown how that price point is acceptable to consumers by selling out so quickly.

I am pretty sure this was exactly the impression they wanted to give by selling out fast for whatever reason 

I don't know, I haven't been in the mining game as long as some of you, but they didn't seem to sell out fast to me. 

A few months ago, when they released a new batch of any miner, their website ground to a halt, and you could sit there refreshing for 1-2 hours, not actually add anything to your cart, and it would be sold out by the time the website was actually responding. The past few batches sit around for hours and hours (and sometimes days/weeks).

And while that price point might be acceptable, the 821 isn't the S9. The S9 has it beat on Watt/TH (by a little) and Price/TH (by a LOT) if they price it the same as the S9... for a machine with 20% less output. Honestly, if the 821 is over $2200, I would be shocked. 

You are not counting reliability and customer service. Bitmain miners are a piece of crap and dealing with bitmain is a pain. I wouldn't mind paying 20% more for a canaan product. Unfortunately it will probably be much more expensive than that.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Will the Controller for Avalon Miner 741 work with the 821 and Will you be able to hook up an A8 to an existing A7?

A while back Canaan said yes you can.
But...
Caveat: As I found by mixing A721's and A741's, yes they work just fine together on 1 controller. BUT be very aware that if/when you apply firmware updates the update is specific to a particular model of Avalon and identified as being for 721,741, etc. Thing is, an update is applied to ALL miners on the controller. In my case the 721's did not like being told they were now 741's... Fortunately, easy to back out again.

So, best to not mix models on 1 controller... Since RasPi's are cheap, painless to do.

[Sandal_Hat]

We still need more manufacturers.

Actually no... more manufacturers means more difficulty level

[Chenentess]

I'm surprised that this miner can operates at subzero temperature. Btw, what is the official price?

[philipma1957]

Will the Controller for Avalon Miner 741 work with the 821 and Will you be able to hook up an A8 to an existing A7?

maybe Steve said the auc dongle will be the same  so maybe the controller can share.


as for 120 or 240

simple if you want to mine get at least one 240 circuit.

[QuintLeo]

I'm surprised that this miner can operates at subzero temperature. Btw, what is the official price?

 subzero C is trivial - I can't think of any electronic device that CAN'T operate well below 0 C

 subzero F is trivial as well unless some sort of "optical read device" is involved, where condensation can cause issues for the read device.

 Military electronics is COMMONLY specified to at least -40C and usually -55 C - but the PARTS themselves don't tend to be any different inside other than the "recordkeeping makes it easy to trace the lot if you have a bad part" type stuff.

[CryptoCrane]

 I expect the 821 to end up being ballpark $3000, possibly as LOW as $2500, based on current S9 pricing.
 Caanan/Avalon has always had a price premium compared to whatever Bitmain product they're closest too, unless they were a TON lower on hashrate, and I don't see them pricing the 821 much if ANY lower than S9 since they're fairly close on hashrate and efficiency.
 They might MATCH the price of the S9 due to the hashrate difference, but they won't go lower - Bitmain will tolerate "same price" most likely because they can point at the higher hashrate AND slightly better efficiency, but a lower price would probably prompt a price war.

I mean they told us how they were formulating the price in the press release.  When I plug "my opinion of the numbers" into their "formula" (which by the way their formula makes perfect business sense) I come up with a ballpark of $3500 USD at the retail/disty level.  I see maybe 3k/3.25k for bulk 60 unit pallets.  

If coin price doesn't shrink to much farther, from what I am reading in their release that number makes sense.  And honestly it will sell out FAST even at $3500, just look at the comments in some of the threads and how the newbs will pay "anything for them".  If we believe they have a 10x supply/demand problem, coin price stabilizes high, they consider spot pricing of gear then $3500 would be my starting point!

We're talking about millions of dollars in sales if these companies are not employing professional sales people they are making a huge mistake.  If they are the price is well thought out and internal numbers are analyzed and extrapolated to project a multitude of scenarios.  This information will give them the best possible chance to maximize profits.  When a professional sales exec has a 10x supply/demand ratio skew he is having a wet dream, trust me!  He/She will make the most of it if he/she is any fucking good!

If coin price stays high expect 3k to be the best possible scenario.  If coin prices go up whoa watch out, 4k will sound cheap. IMO

I think your assessment is spot on. I, too, expect to see prices between $3k and $4k per unit.

[billybit]

do you think that the recent drop in bitcoin prices will lead to Bitmain / Avalon to reassess their pricing strategy ?

[dlezama]

do you think that the recent drop in bitcoin prices will lead to Bitmain / Avalon to reassess their pricing strategy ?

Their strategy will be the same. Strategy is price it to maximize profit. So far this crypto price drop seems just as a small correction so it doesn't matter, but if crypto really crashes and/or competition increases, price will go down as supply/demand changes.

[mikez_nj]

 I expect the 821 to end up being ballpark $3000, possibly as LOW as $2500, based on current S9 pricing.
 Caanan/Avalon has always had a price premium compared to whatever Bitmain product they're closest too, unless they were a TON lower on hashrate, and I don't see them pricing the 821 much if ANY lower than S9 since they're fairly close on hashrate and efficiency.
 They might MATCH the price of the S9 due to the hashrate difference, but they won't go lower - Bitmain will tolerate "same price" most likely because they can point at the higher hashrate AND slightly better efficiency, but a lower price would probably prompt a price war.

I mean they told us how they were formulating the price in the press release.  When I plug "my opinion of the numbers" into their "formula" (which by the way their formula makes perfect business sense) I come up with a ballpark of $3500 USD at the retail/disty level.  I see maybe 3k/3.25k for bulk 60 unit pallets.  

If coin price doesn't shrink to much farther, from what I am reading in their release that number makes sense.  And honestly it will sell out FAST even at $3500, just look at the comments in some of the threads and how the newbs will pay "anything for them".  If we believe they have a 10x supply/demand problem, coin price stabilizes high, they consider spot pricing of gear then $3500 would be my starting point!

We're talking about millions of dollars in sales if these companies are not employing professional sales people they are making a huge mistake.  If they are the price is well thought out and internal numbers are analyzed and extrapolated to project a multitude of scenarios.  This information will give them the best possible chance to maximize profits.  When a professional sales exec has a 10x supply/demand ratio skew he is having a wet dream, trust me!  He/She will make the most of it if he/she is any fucking good!

If coin price stays high expect 3k to be the best possible scenario.  If coin prices go up whoa watch out, 4k will sound cheap. IMO

I think your assessment is spot on. I, too, expect to see prices between $3k and $4k per unit.

Anything's possible, I guess, but an ROI of 9mo-1yr isn't competitive or palatable to a lot of people.

[Toughit]

someone start a pool.  $1875 is my guess.

[mikez_nj]

someone start a pool.  $1875 is my guess.

Corrected:

someone start a pool an ICO for betting on future prices of miners.

[Flying Hellfish]

 I expect the 821 to end up being ballpark $3000, possibly as LOW as $2500, based on current S9 pricing.
 Caanan/Avalon has always had a price premium compared to whatever Bitmain product they're closest too, unless they were a TON lower on hashrate, and I don't see them pricing the 821 much if ANY lower than S9 since they're fairly close on hashrate and efficiency.
 They might MATCH the price of the S9 due to the hashrate difference, but they won't go lower - Bitmain will tolerate "same price" most likely because they can point at the higher hashrate AND slightly better efficiency, but a lower price would probably prompt a price war.

I mean they told us how they were formulating the price in the press release.  When I plug "my opinion of the numbers" into their "formula" (which by the way their formula makes perfect business sense) I come up with a ballpark of $3500 USD at the retail/disty level.  I see maybe 3k/3.25k for bulk 60 unit pallets.  

If coin price doesn't shrink to much farther, from what I am reading in their release that number makes sense.  And honestly it will sell out FAST even at $3500, just look at the comments in some of the threads and how the newbs will pay "anything for them".  If we believe they have a 10x supply/demand problem, coin price stabilizes high, they consider spot pricing of gear then $3500 would be my starting point!

We're talking about millions of dollars in sales if these companies are not employing professional sales people they are making a huge mistake.  If they are the price is well thought out and internal numbers are analyzed and extrapolated to project a multitude of scenarios.  This information will give them the best possible chance to maximize profits.  When a professional sales exec has a 10x supply/demand ratio skew he is having a wet dream, trust me!  He/She will make the most of it if he/she is any fucking good!

If coin price stays high expect 3k to be the best possible scenario.  If coin prices go up whoa watch out, 4k will sound cheap. IMO

I think your assessment is spot on. I, too, expect to see prices between $3k and $4k per unit.

Anything's possible, I guess, but an ROI of 9mo-1yr isn't competitive or palatable to a lot of people.

It only has to be palatable to 1 in 10 my friend (if you believe their press release)!  Think like a company and not a miner and it becomes easier to understand.

Besides a 1 year +ROI has been the norm MANY times before this and IS competitive and WILL be palatable to at least 1 in 10 people with current coin prices!

[bit_wizard]

Pallet pricing for the 821 is on their website now. But everything is sold out.....already or just preparing?